Champion of Fireball said:

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Nah. THEY will be lucky to live through it

We will be fine

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And this won't be a war. Iran can be ended in less than a week if we choose it.

And once and for all, we need to end their radical leadership. This one absolutely does affect us and the entire rest of the world.

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Curious what your assessment is of the last time we tried this is?

While this would be a much more complicated military action,

We did destroy most of Iran's navy in a very quick and efficient way in 1988 from which they still haven't recovered and a war didn't follow.

Maybe they are worried about the impact on climate change ? ha ha.

It's glaringly obvious what they are after and what some previous US administrations tried to help facilitate for reasons I can't comprehend beyond they want the western world to pay for their "sins". The left has a collectively serious sick brain . Obama did incalculable damage. Biden/obama psychophants/psychopaths advanced it even more. Trump, for all of his faults of which there are many imo is trying to unwind what he can.

We'll do whatever AIPAC tells us to do.

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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I saw a TikTok video yesterday from a reliable source for military-themed content that Iran was importing & hording fuel for their estimated 800 ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets throughout the Middle East & into lower Europe.

Based upon that, I'd say a military conflict with Iran will occur; the "when" is the only unknown variable.

And FWIW, Trump's call to Putin allegedly dedicated a lot of time to this topic, with Russia allegedly agreeing to not intervene or support Iran, especially since so many Middle Eastern countries who are on good terms with Russia have been identified as Iranian targets. Also, Russia's relationship with China is apparently showing signs of strain & conflict (which is historical & nothing new frankly); therefore, Iran's only 'guaranteed' allies at this point is Yemen, MAYBE Turkey to some extent, South Africa, some other unimportant African nations, & China (via proxy).

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Turkey is in NATO, no? I'm not well read into this but my understanding is that would be a complete sheet show and end up WW3 style taking sides over night?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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WW3 rolls on …

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There's been continuous war and imminent war around the world since the beginning of civilization. There is nothing going on now remotely worthy of that description though. People seem desperate for the drama. "We're in WW3! And the new civil war has started too!" It's pretty silly.

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5Amp said:

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Unleash the Jew

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I missed the bat signal

WSJ: Israel is prepared to attack Iran as soon as Sunday if Tehran rejects a U.S. proposal that would place tough limits on its nuclear program, according to multiple US and Israeli officials. pic.twitter.com/CPy23Ld9fq

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) June 12, 2025

My guess is Iran will continue to lie and stall and string out a decision in the meetings this weekend.

WestHoustonAg79 said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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I saw a TikTok video yesterday from a reliable source for military-themed content that Iran was importing & hording fuel for their estimated 800 ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets throughout the Middle East & into lower Europe.

Based upon that, I'd say a military conflict with Iran will occur; the "when" is the only unknown variable.

And FWIW, Trump's call to Putin allegedly dedicated a lot of time to this topic, with Russia allegedly agreeing to not intervene or support Iran, especially since so many Middle Eastern countries who are on good terms with Russia have been identified as Iranian targets. Also, Russia's relationship with China is apparently showing signs of strain & conflict (which is historical & nothing new frankly); therefore, Iran's only 'guaranteed' allies at this point is Yemen, MAYBE Turkey to some extent, South Africa, some other unimportant African nations, & China (via proxy).

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Turkey is in NATO, no? I'm not well read into this but my understanding is that would be a complete sheet show and end up WW3 style taking sides over night?

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Turkey is a NATO member in name only at this point. The only reason we haven't kicked them out is we want to keep access to Incirlik and we want a "friend" in control of the access to the Black Sea. Turkey is only going to ally with Iran when it comes to opposing Israel. Otherwise, they want to be the opposite pole to Iran in the Arab world. Erdogan wants to counterbalance the Saudi influence in the non-Shia Muslim world.

Shutting down Iran is not hard it's just no one wants to take responsibility for actually doing it because it harms genpop.

Take out their oil refineries which are totally exposed and that country is dead in the water. You will have mass anarchy within days. The leadership would be overrun, murdered, and replaced.

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WestHoustonAg79 said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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I saw a TikTok video yesterday from a reliable source for military-themed content that Iran was importing & hording fuel for their estimated 800 ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets throughout the Middle East & into lower Europe.

Based upon that, I'd say a military conflict with Iran will occur; the "when" is the only unknown variable.

And FWIW, Trump's call to Putin allegedly dedicated a lot of time to this topic, with Russia allegedly agreeing to not intervene or support Iran, especially since so many Middle Eastern countries who are on good terms with Russia have been identified as Iranian targets. Also, Russia's relationship with China is apparently showing signs of strain & conflict (which is historical & nothing new frankly); therefore, Iran's only 'guaranteed' allies at this point is Yemen, MAYBE Turkey to some extent, South Africa, some other unimportant African nations, & China (via proxy).

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Turkey is in NATO, no? I'm not well read into this but my understanding is that would be a complete sheet show and end up WW3 style taking sides over night?

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Turkey is a NATO member in name only at this point. The only reason we haven't kicked them out is we want to keep access to Incirlik and we want a "friend" in control of the access to the Black Sea. Turkey is only going to ally with Iran when it comes to opposing Israel. Otherwise, they want to be the opposite pole to Iran in the Arab world. Erdogan wants to counterbalance the Saudi influence in the non-Shia Muslim world.

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I have a feeling it's largely more complex than just "in name alone". Let's just rip up* all current major treaties amongst the top tier world powers and see what happens. Ya, that's not how it works dawg.

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WestHoustonAg79 said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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I saw a TikTok video yesterday from a reliable source for military-themed content that Iran was importing & hording fuel for their estimated 800 ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets throughout the Middle East & into lower Europe.

Based upon that, I'd say a military conflict with Iran will occur; the "when" is the only unknown variable.

And FWIW, Trump's call to Putin allegedly dedicated a lot of time to this topic, with Russia allegedly agreeing to not intervene or support Iran, especially since so many Middle Eastern countries who are on good terms with Russia have been identified as Iranian targets. Also, Russia's relationship with China is apparently showing signs of strain & conflict (which is historical & nothing new frankly); therefore, Iran's only 'guaranteed' allies at this point is Yemen, MAYBE Turkey to some extent, South Africa, some other unimportant African nations, & China (via proxy).

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Turkey is in NATO, no? I'm not well read into this but my understanding is that would be a complete sheet show and end up WW3 style taking sides over night?

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Turkey is a NATO member in name only at this point. The only reason we haven't kicked them out is we want to keep access to Incirlik and we want a "friend" in control of the access to the Black Sea. Turkey is only going to ally with Iran when it comes to opposing Israel. Otherwise, they want to be the opposite pole to Iran in the Arab world. Erdogan wants to counterbalance the Saudi influence in the non-Shia Muslim world.

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I have a feeling it's largely more complex than just "in name alone". Let's just rip up* all current major treaties amongst the top tier world powers and see what happens. Ya, that's not how it works dawg.

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Believe me, if it sounded like I was implying it is simple, it is not. But Turkey has been buying Russian air defense systems and other weaponry, which got them excluded from buying F-35s among other things. They were brought into Nato when they had a non-secular professional military leadership that kept the islamic leaning tendencies of the population in check. Erdogan decapitated that military leadership and installed his own people and Turkey's acts and agenda have been frequently at odds with Nato ever since. They are only loosely on board with the Nato agreements right now.

Apparently an Israeli attack is being carried out as of just a few minutes ago and Israelis are asked to enter bomb shelters, per Amir Tsarfati on Telegram. If verified probably needs own thread

jlAG97 said:

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Apparently an Israeli attack is being carried out as of just a few minutes ago and Israelis are asked to enter bomb shelters, per Amir Tsarfati on Telegram. If verified probably needs own thread

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Commercial flights heading to Tel-Aviv have begun to turn around over the Eastern Mediterranean. pic.twitter.com/SJ3235L01k

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 13, 2025

Oh ****

Multiple explosions reported in the Iranian capital of Tehran.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 13, 2025

Israeli Defense Minister Katz declared a special situation throughout Israel for the Mendy 48 hours due to a “high probability that an attack will occur.” pic.twitter.com/AdFmopZBz7

— Aleph א (@no_itsmyturn) June 13, 2025

BREAKING: Israel has initiated pre-emptive strikes against targets inside Iran. Multiple precision engagements are reportedly underway.

Air raid sirens are currently active across both Iranian and Israeli territory.

— GMI (@Global_Mil_Info) June 13, 2025

Here we go…

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 13, 2025

Smoke polls rising in Northeast of Tehran. pic.twitter.com/CxjJf925jB

— Tammuz Intel (@Tammuz_Intel) June 13, 2025

OSINT says its Israeli strikes. Not our concern … at the moment anyway.

And away we go

I'm old enough to recall WMD. This all reads like that.

multi phase attack? Looks like air defenses hit first.....

Dimond1968 said:

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I'm old enough to recall WMD. This all reads like that.

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Albeit deleted, I'll answer more cordially. That doesn't equal this.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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if iran is hit it will be by israel and most likely alone. i do not think trump wants this to take place at least now but i also think netanyahu may do it anyways.

watch gold prices someone always knows in advance of turmoil.

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israel hit iran by themselves and gold went up 120 dollars an ounce in the last two days.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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if iran is hit it will be by israel and most likely alone. i do not think trump wants this to take place at least now but i also think netanyahu may do it anyways.

watch gold prices someone always knows in advance of turmoil.

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israel hit iran by themselves and gold went up 120 dollars an ounce in the last two days.

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I was watching both oil and gold.

Considered selling some positions and buying stocks in my favorite oil companies. Decided that this was mostly rhetoric. All smoke and no fire.

I guessed wrong on this one!

AggieP18 said:

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Although not this easy, I'd like to think we could precision bomb all the openings to the facility and shut it off from the above ground world.

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Israel did this for us!

President Trump tells CNN that all the Iranian negotiators he worked with were killed:

BASH: "So, you're saying Israel has now killed the people who you were dealing with?"

TRUMP: "They didn't die of the flu, they didn't die of COVID."
pic.twitter.com/fWtRnn03l6

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) June 13, 2025

Martels Hammer said:

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Saudi also wants a strike to happen to "correct" the price of oil by taking out a supplier.

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Saudi wants Iran hit for reasons that have nothing to do with the price of oil.

The Saudis can "correct" the price of oil themselves without a strike on Iran.

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IIRC, their uranium enrichment happens deep underground. Good luck getting to that.

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MOAB no problem. Last one Trump dropped made a crater five miles wide and went down hundreds of feet.

As shock sensitive as the centrifuge systems are for refining uranium they would be toast

The only way we fire on them one of those idiot goat herders would have to fire on the Carrier fleet sitting off their coast first.

The MOAB / GBU-43 needs to be dropped by a C-130 flying low and slow which makes for an easy target fir air defense systems, the Taliban does not have this. The GBU-57 is only tested to drop from a B2 stealth bomber, some other platforms have been function tested but have not done so with live rounds.

The F15E can drop a GBU-72 which is much smaller but could probably do the job with a series of attacks. I would imagine Israel has this capability already

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The MOAB / GBU-43 needs to be dropped by a C-130 flying low and slow which makes for an easy target fir air defense systems, the Taliban does not have this. The GBU-57 is only tested to drop from a B2 stealth bomber, some other platforms have been function tested but have not done so with live rounds.

The F15E can drop a GBU-72 which is much smaller but could probably do the job with a series of attacks. I would imagine Israel has this capability already

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I'd love to see the source of your specs. According to what I've been able to find doesn't indicate any ceiling limit.

The GBU-43 MOAB bomb is typically dropped from an altitude of 1,800 meters (5,900 feet) or higher. It is released from the MC-130 aircraft, and the bomb detaches from its cradle once it's clear of the aircraft. A proximity fuse, which may be anywhere between 50 and 1,000 feet above ground level, ignites the warhead. It's only been used once in combat on the 13 April 2017 airstrike against an Islamic State Khorasan Province tunnel complex in Achin District, Afghanistan. Two days later, an Afghan army spokesman said that the strike killed 94 ISKP militants, including four commanders, with no signs of civilian casualties. They were killed 375 below the surface in an underground bunker in the Khorasan Province tunnel complex.

B1 can fly over twice as fast as the C130 and has a ceiling over twice as high. I have no idea if they have ever tested dropping a MOAB at jet speeds due to the system used to deploy it.