Musk on BBB

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jamey
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In reply to Jet White • 6:49p, 6/4/25
Jet White said:
jamey said:


Anxiously awaiting flown the coop, Untold Spirit, etc. to goal tend for this one.






I don't know how even the most rabid MAGA Trump worshipers can goal tend this one
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flown-the-coop
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In reply to Jet White • 6:52p, 6/4/25
Goal tend? Not needed. What is the flipping point of a debt ceiling when it's always raised and only used to pass more pork barrel spending when it comes up for adjustment.

The Dems have used it to knock Rs over the head for decades now. To be honest, I am more surprised Pocahontas wants to eliminate it.

Trump is pointing out what should be obvious. It's a bad thing for Rs. He'll, even Rand Paul is now using it to negotiate AGAINST his own party.

So yes, toss it. It's irrelevant and most certainly ineffective.
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In reply to jamey • 6:53p, 6/4/25
jamey said:
Jet White said:
jamey said:


Anxiously awaiting flown the coop, Untold Spirit, etc. to goal tend for this one.






I don't know how even the most rabid MAGA Trump worshipers can goal tend this one
Oh, it's like Dem Judge TROs.....you just have to wait....and it'll come. Liberals are sneaky like that.


ETA: Too late....first goaltending happened already.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 6:56p, 6/4/25
I gotta give it to you man, you are one loyal soldier.
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In reply to Jet White • 7:02p, 6/4/25
Jet White said:
I gotta give it to you man, you are one loyal soldier.

I am also dead right on this one. You'll never admit it, but it's true.

The debt ceiling is simply a political ploy to spend more money, which is the opposite of what the intent it. When all something does is hurt you, why continue it?

Has nothing to do with Trump. I think this and also shutdown threats are two of the most abused, dumbest things we have regularly over the last 25-30 years.

It's what has lead to constant counting resolutions and hidden gems of spending.
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infinity ag
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7:04p, 6/4/25
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
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In reply to deddog • 7:06p, 6/4/25
deddog said:
javajaws said:
infinity ag said:
Logos Stick said:
Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?



It's coming.

Wait for it.

When Trump blows up on Elon, it will be epic!

I think Elon got fired from DOGE but Trump did not want to insult him like he does everyone else, so he said Elon was leaving after 130 days. Now Musk is pissed and wants to get back at Trump.
Why else would he publicly show Trump the finger.
Special Government Employees (SGEs) have a 130 day limit - no need to speculate.

Musk is showing Trump the finger because Trump is not backing up DOGE actions with actual cuts (yet). I think Musk has somewhat unrealistic expectations of how fast/easy/motivated Congress is to work with. Its a broke system which doesn't sit well with most people, especially autistic billionaires.


And yeah, the public divorce when Trump posts will be epic.
This here is the problem. Congress just doesn't give a shi$. Why would they ever cut costs? They have nothing to gain. They just keep up the spending, especially in their own districts and punt the problem to future generations.

And Democrats judges have blocked every attempt to reduce spending via the executive. This country is ****ed. Most people are just too stupid to see it.


Sadly, your statement reminds me of this.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:16p, 6/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
Jet White said:
I gotta give it to you man, you are one loyal soldier.

I am also dead right on this one. You'll never admit it, but it's true.

The debt ceiling is simply a political ploy to spend more money, which is the opposite of what the intent it. When all something does is hurt you, why continue it?

Has nothing to do with Trump. I think this and also shutdown threats are two of the most abused, dumbest things we have regularly over the last 25-30 years.

It's what has lead to constant counting resolutions and hidden gems of spending.
I'm not sure that Johnson and Paul aren't planning on using it to actually get the kind of cuts Elon is talking about. Trump is obviously worried about it, so - novel idea getting democrats to help get rid of it. Classic Trump out of the box thinking, although he'll never get their help and its a waste of breath.

There is a serious train wreck going on here with the BBB.
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In reply to UntoldSpirit • 7:20p, 6/4/25
UntoldSpirit said:



There is a serious train wreck going on here with the BBB.
It will be law, with minor changes, by Independence Day.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:25p, 6/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
UntoldSpirit said:



There is a serious train wreck going on here with the BBB.
It will be law, with minor changes, by Independence Day.
That's an interesting neck you have stuck out there.

I'll go with it's going to get split into two bills. The first one by John Hancock day and the second one in months.
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In reply to UntoldSpirit • 7:38p, 6/4/25
UntoldSpirit said:
flown-the-coop said:
UntoldSpirit said:



There is a serious train wreck going on here with the BBB.
It will be law, with minor changes, by Independence Day.
That's an interesting neck you have stuck out there.

I'll go with it's going to get split into two bills. The first one by John Hancock day and the second one in months.
Highly unlikely it gets split at this point. If it does, Mike Johnson will no longer be speaker and I think no bill ever gets passed.
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In reply to jamey • 7:45p, 6/4/25
jamey said:

Elon is speaking truth.

Going against truth is just more BS that we don't have time for.


I hope others join Elon in speaking truth. I'll vote against everyone who doesn't. Its time to grow up and act like adults


NOW it's time to act like adults?? NOW?? Not after the millions of childish insults, the lies, the immature reactions to being questioned, the blatant corruption, the whiny baby temper tantrums?

I would have preferred you figure this out about a decade ago, but better late than never, I guess.


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In reply to TOUCHDOWN! • 7:50p, 6/4/25
TOUCHDOWN! said:
jamey said:

Elon is speaking truth.

Going against truth is just more BS that we don't have time for.


I hope others join Elon in speaking truth. I'll vote against everyone who doesn't. Its time to grow up and act like adults


NOW it's time to act like adults?? NOW?? Not after the millions of childish insults, the lies, the immature reactions to being questioned, the blatant corruption, the whiny baby temper tantrums?

I would have preferred you figure this out about a decade ago, but better late than never, I guess.




Yeah, per my OP, it's been a pretty long time for me personally, around 14 years ago when the S&P downgraded the US but that ship has sailed


Its made the non stop social blah blah dumbassery unbearable for sure though. In fact I think those who shined the spotlight on that nonsense are partially responsible
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7:20a, 6/5/25
This is no shot across the bow. It's a direct hit. He's no longer just blaming Congress.

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infinity ag
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7:27a, 6/5/25
Trump insult coming in.... 3.......2......
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In reply to TOUCHDOWN! • 7:32a, 6/5/25
TOUCHDOWN! said:
jamey said:

Elon is speaking truth.

Going against truth is just more BS that we don't have time for.


I hope others join Elon in speaking truth. I'll vote against everyone who doesn't. Its time to grow up and act like adults


NOW it's time to act like adults?? NOW?? Not after the millions of childish insults, the lies, the immature reactions to being questioned, the blatant corruption, the whiny baby temper tantrums?

I would have preferred you figure this out about a decade ago, but better late than never, I guess.


A Decade? How about 30 years, and include Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Obama... the childishness predates Trump by decades.
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8:30a, 6/5/25
Ole Mike "212" Johnson fires back at Elon...

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In reply to infinity ag • 10:17a, 6/5/25
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.


EDIT: If your feelings are hurt by billionaire, try reading that as "all the people more wealthy than me by orders of magnitude"
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In reply to ETFan • 10:22a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.


I see you have read today's issued talking points. Leaving the current rates in place is not a tax break and I'm willing to bet CBO is >50% wrong with their estimates plus they didn't include any tariff revenue.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:23a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.
When you're bad at simple math, you can't criticize someone else's theorem
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In reply to ETFan • 10:27a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.
**** talking point ****s like this is why the middle class gets ****ed over.
Less money to the government and more to the people is always a good thing'

Get over your greed and envy. Democrats have ****ed the middle class more than anyone else.
Democrats are economic dunces, and prove it every day.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:45a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.


Explain in detail how this specifically gives tax breaks to only billionaires. What is that specific mechanism in the bill?
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In reply to Tom Fox • 10:46a, 6/5/25
Tom Fox said:
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.


Explain in detail how this specifically gives tax breaks to only billionaires. What is that specific mechanism in the bill?
Yes, I would like to see this as well.
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10:47a, 6/5/25
Yawn. Needing to cut Medicaid, SNAP, and still increase the deficit by $2.3T+ to continue "tax relief", mostly for the rich, is a ****ty bill.

Yell at me all you want and claim the CBO math is wrong, I really don't care. Bill is hypocritical trash.

Raiding the coffers of our social services so we can continue massive "tax relief" for the ultra wealthy. Neato.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:49a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
Yawn. Needing to cut Medicaid, SNAP, and still increase the deficit by $2.3T+ to continue "tax relief", mostly for the rich, is a ****ty bill.

Yell at me all you want and claim the CBO math is wrong, I really don't care. Bill is hypocritical trash.


Please answer my question.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:50a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
infinity ag said:
No retribution from Trump over the Elon tweet.

Don's getting old.
There is nothing to say. He has no retort.

This bill is trash, goes against everything they've claimed to be doing, and hurts 99% of Americans, across the board.

The Ai provision alone is nuts, but just sticking to the fact that it raises the debt by 2.3+T just to give billionaires a tax break is ****ing insanity.

I don't like the bill but "just to give billionaires a tax break" is lie and not surprising at all seeing you post it.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:50a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
Yawn. Needing to cut Medicaid, SNAP, and still increase the deficit by $2.3T+ to continue "tax relief", mostly for the rich, is a ****ty bill.

Yell at me all you want and claim the CBO math is wrong, I really don't care. Bill is hypocritical trash.
Wow, it is actually hard to be 100% wrong on everything, but here we are. I would demand a refund on whatever you are spending for your news.
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In reply to ETFan • 10:50a, 6/5/25
ETFan said:
Yawn. Needing to cut Medicaid, SNAP, and still increase the deficit by $2.3T+ to continue "tax relief", mostly for the rich, is a ****ty bill.

Yell at me all you want and claim the CBO math is wrong, I really don't care. Bill is hypocritical trash.
So you are lying? Noted
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10:52a, 6/5/25
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In reply to Dan Scott • 10:58a, 6/5/25
Dan Scott said:


Trump has to respond at some point.
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In reply to Dan Scott • 11:06a, 6/5/25
Dan Scott said:
That didn't age very well, did it?
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11:08a, 6/5/25
If I change billionaire to ultra wealthy or "top 1%" will all the panties untwist? They'll definitely need to be washed, regardless.

  • 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
  • Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt
  • Funding for the cuts?
  • $800B to $1T from Medicaid
  • $300B from SNAP
  • Still doesn't balance

$4.4T added to the debt so the ultra wealthy can hoard more while simultaneously cutting services to our most vulnerable.

But put the empathy aside, because I know that gets nowhere with the GOP. How is the debt increase justifiable from so called fiscal conservatives?


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11:14a, 6/5/25
Extending SALT to 40K isn't exactly for poor people. Most will fall into the standard deduction
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In reply to Logos Stick • 11:22a, 6/5/25
Logos Stick said:
Dan Scott said:


Trump has to respond at some point.
Here you go:



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