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i'm not sure how anyone can read these tweets and still believe trump and elon are on good terms right now

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If I change billionaire to ultra wealthy or "top 1%" will all the panties untwist? They'll definitely need to be washed, regardless.

• 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
• Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt
• Funding for the cuts?
• $800B to $1T from Medicaid
• $300B from SNAP
• Still doesn't balance

$4.4T added to the debt so the ultra wealthy can hoard more while simultaneously cutting services to our most vulnerable.

But put the empathy aside, because I know that gets nowhere with the GOP. How is the debt increase justifiable from so called fiscal conservatives?

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Being a puppet for imbecile democrats is no way to live.
The economy explored upward after the 2017 cuts. COVID happened and your party demanded all kinds of benefits. "Cut" to Medicaid/SNAP are to require able bodied people work and pass on cost to states that give extra benefits to illegals….and SALT was a crying point for blue states. Get your facts right

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If I change billionaire to ultra wealthy or "top 1%" will all the panties untwist? They'll definitely need to be washed, regardless.

• 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
• Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt
• Funding for the cuts?
• $800B to $1T from Medicaid
• $300B from SNAP
• Still doesn't balance

$4.4T added to the debt so the ultra wealthy can hoard more while simultaneously cutting services to our most vulnerable.

But put the empathy aside, because I know that gets nowhere with the GOP. How is the debt increase justifiable from so called fiscal conservatives?

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You need to be far more precise with your language.

I guess I classify as "ultra wealthy" to you? I will likely never see 8 figures of wealth in my lifetime. I am not some billionaire or even someone that can pay his bills through passive income.

News flash, the top earners are the only ones really paying net federal income taxes so any tax cuts would logically benefit them the most.

The ultra wealthy pay the majority of their taxes not through income but rather capital gains taxes which are flat and in the low 20% range. It is the professional class and small business owners, not the ultra wealthy that get hit hardest by the top income tax brackets.

You could have simply posted that you are against tax cuts. That would have been a truthful statement.

Because if you are not already in the top20% of wage earners, you are not paying a meaningful amount of net fed income taxes already.

And lastly this is not a cut. The tax cut already happened. This is preventing a tax increase on the professional class and small business owners.

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If I change billionaire to ultra wealthy or "top 1%" will all the panties untwist? They'll definitely need to be washed, regardless.

• 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
• Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt
• Funding for the cuts?
• $800B to $1T from Medicaid
• $300B from SNAP
• Still doesn't balance

$4.4T added to the debt so the ultra wealthy can hoard more while simultaneously cutting services to our most vulnerable.

But put the empathy aside, because I know that gets nowhere with the GOP. How is the debt increase justifiable from so called fiscal conservatives?

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You don't don't understand basic math and economics.

We have a Government spending problem.

There are about 900 billionaires in the US with a net worth of about $3.2 Trillion
The US government spent $6.5 trillion in 2025 alone.

Even if you confiscated all of the wealth of every billionaire in the US you can only pay for half a year of government spending. (and you won't have any billionaires left)

So you parroting asinine democrat talking points of tax cuts for the rich and not cutting government spending impresses precisely no one who has a brain. But it might impress the dunces on Democrat Underground.

I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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But according to you, all government is "services that help Americans", so there is literally nothing to cut.

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Where outside of the Pentagon are you in favor of cutting spending meaningfully (I agree with cutting the Pentagon)?

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Jet White said:

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jamey said:

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President Trump proposes ELIMINATING the debt ceiling:

Trump now says he "agrees with Senator Elizabeth Warren" that the "debt limit should be entirely scrapped."

Without the debt limit, Congress would not longer have to vote on raising the debt ceiling. pic.twitter.com/mPsgXQCDBC

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 4, 2025

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Anxiously awaiting flown the coop, Untold Spirit, etc. to goal tend for this one.

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I don't know how even the most rabid MAGA Trump worshipers can goal tend this one

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They'll do the same thing that they did with abortion as soon as Trump proposed federalized law legalizing abortion in the first trimester. Baaaaaaah

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Entitlement spending should be the very first thing cut.

ALL.OF.IT

Both barrels!

Time to drop the really big bomb:@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

Have a nice day, DJT!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 5, 2025

Where is the man who wrote these words?

Was he replaced by a body double!? https://t.co/N4Mliip5U4

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 5, 2025

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Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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I think Elon's right about many things. I think Trump is right about many things too. No need to attack you one of them. No need to take sides.

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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Rapier108 said:

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Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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I think Elon's right about many things. I think Trump is right about many things too. No need to attack you one of them. No need to take sides.

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You're not going to lose your trump card if you say something negative about him.

Trump just said that this is one of the greatest bills ever. Does anyone here rank this in their top 10 bills of all time? Anyone support that statement?

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Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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Or just take a 10-20% haircut off the top.
No need to make it political or agenda-driven.

It's a justifiable and non-discriminatory fix that even you would have to agree with.

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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That was never going to happen by a Democrat.


What we got was fine and has not gone far enough.

The Mike Johnson of 2023 is the SAME Mike Johnson who has always been a lifelong fiscal hawk - who now serves as Speaker and is implementing a multi-stage plan to get our country back to fiscal responsibility and extraordinary economic growth.

It begins with the critically… https://t.co/8c2l3bTdk1

— Speaker Mike Johnson (@SpeakerJohnson) June 5, 2025

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114632555927229642

Why do they keep calling it tax cuts?

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The Mike Johnson of 2023 is the SAME Mike Johnson who has always been a lifelong fiscal hawk - who now serves as Speaker and is implementing a multi-stage plan to get our country back to fiscal responsibility and extraordinary economic growth.

It begins with the critically… https://t.co/8c2l3bTdk1

— Speaker Mike Johnson (@SpeakerJohnson) June 5, 2025

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114632555927229642

Why do they keep calling it tax cuts?

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MJ is so full of ***** None of the cuts he references are slated to begin occurring until Trump is already out of office, meaning they won't happen at all, and he damn well knows that. Additionally, this "400%" schtick is so transparent. You can only quote a percentage like that because spending is so insanely ballooned in the first place compared to any other time, that of course any proposed cut you write on paper is going to be magnitudes larger nominally. The budget from which you are starting with is so much larger that comparing these figures to past figures is meaningless. And once again, he's referring to 100% hypothetical "cuts" that he knows are never happening in the first place. Which is exactly why bond yields are spiking and all the Wall Street players are calling out this bull*****

Scummy politician gonna scummy politician.

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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Oh no guys the plan is the problem.
Which democrat has ever done a ****ing thing to cut costs?

Look at your own posts. Oh i don't want government services to be cut.
hey Genius that is all the government ****ing does. And if this wasn't enough, you and your party support doing it for illegals.

GTFO with your fake concern on government spending. You vote for it consistently

No one buys your fake concern and bad math.

ETFan said:

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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What areas do you think we should cut spending?

Jet White said:

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ETFan said:

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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What areas do you think we should cut spending?

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She'll give some bull****, and then vote for the people that oppose cuts and demonize those trying to make them.
Democrats lie.

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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Should've cut more govt workers faster. Just should've turned the lights off and locked the doors. Musk was way to generous

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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Future bills!!!! The republicans have majorities in the house and senate and Trump in the WH. If your plan is to fix the NEXT spending bill you may be surprised what things look like next time.

Who?mikejones! said:

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ETFan said:

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deddog said:

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ETFan said:

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I've never said we shouldn't cut government spending, we should. It shouldn't be from services that help Americans. And stop pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

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Tell me you don't understand US government spending without telling me you don't understand Goverrnment spending

So you were for DOGE cuts?
You are pro Elon making cuts?
You were for USAID cuts?

Because every democrat I know was throwing hissy fits.
And i see the envy about "tax cuts for the rich" but do you have a post where you agree with a cut in government spending?

You are fooling no one.

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Doge is the most amateur, hack and slash, bull**** excuse for an attempt at reducing spending and finding waste, possibly ever. A bunch of know nothing children running around in departments they know zero about just grabbing data and doing keyword searches for "DEI" words. Musk pledged $2 trillion in savings but found $150 billion? Much of it based on inflated or unverifiable claims. Half of the canceled contracts yielded no actual savings, and some terminations even cost taxpayers more than they saved. This wasn't about saving money; it was about targeting agencies like USAID and the CFPB for ideological reasons, not because they were the biggest sources of waste.

Then the indiscriminate, illegal firings and complete demonization of federal workers? Come the **** on. No one supporting how this has gone down is serious about finding waste, they're just being political.

They don't have a plan and that's the problem.

Do an actual, professional, planned review of the fed. Top to bottom. If you think that's what doge did, I have nothing left to discuss.

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Should've cut more govt workers faster. Just should've turned the lights off and locked the doors. Musk was way to generous

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But how will all the people survive if there is no federal worker to save them?
Democrats can't wipe their a$$ without some government help.

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• 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
• Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt

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No, tax cuts don't add to debt. Spending more than we take in adds to the debt

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Rapier108 said:

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Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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Want to make a bet on this?

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Oh?

ETFan said:

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If I change billionaire to ultra wealthy or "top 1%" will all the panties untwist? They'll definitely need to be washed, regardless.

• 2017 tax cuts added $2T to the debt.
• Continuing the cuts adds $2.4T to the debt
• Funding for the cuts?
• $800B to $1T from Medicaid
• $300B from SNAP
• Still doesn't balance

$4.4T added to the debt so the ultra wealthy can hoard more while simultaneously cutting services to our most vulnerable.

But put the empathy aside, because I know that gets nowhere with the GOP. How is the debt increase justifiable from so called fiscal conservatives?

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I got to keep more of my money. stop spending so ****ing much money

Anyone know if the funds to re-open Alcatraz as a prison made it into the bill? That is another thing Trump called for that seems like a huge waste of money.

Aggie1205 said:

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Anyone know if the funds to re-open Alcatraz as a prison made it into the bill? That is another thing Trump called for that seems like a huge waste of money.

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It's all just a rounding error compared to entitlement spending and debt service.

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Aggie1205 said:

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Anyone know if the funds to re-open Alcatraz as a prison made it into the bill? That is another thing Trump called for that seems like a huge waste of money.

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It's all just a rounding error compared to entitlement spending and debt service.

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really amazes people don't get that if you don't reform entitlements rest of it is basically rounding errors.

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Aggie1205 said:

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Anyone know if the funds to re-open Alcatraz as a prison made it into the bill? That is another thing Trump called for that seems like a huge waste of money.

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It's all just a rounding error compared to entitlement spending and debt service.

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And I fully support the need to cut back spending on entitlements. All areas will have to be significantly cut. But in addition to cutting entitlements, we also need to stop wasting money we don't have on updating decades old prisons, army parades, and other pet projects. It all has to change.

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Aggie1205 said:

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Anyone know if the funds to re-open Alcatraz as a prison made it into the bill? That is another thing Trump called for that seems like a huge waste of money.

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It's all just a rounding error compared to entitlement spending and debt service.

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really amazes people don't get that if you don't reform entitlements rest of it is basically rounding errors.

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Entitlements are the largest single piece for sure, a minority majority. But to say everything else outside of them is "rounding errors" is fanciful and pure MAGA cope. This is not all due to entitlements, not even close. Here's the math: From 2019 to 2024, our total budget grew by $2.3 trillion. Over the same time period, entitlement spending (to include SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and Other), grew by $782 billion. So that's $1.5 trillion in additional spending that has nothing to do with healthcare or social security programs.