SunrayAg said:

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Everybody is a fiscal conservative until it affects their district. Of course we want to cut spending. Just not here.

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People drastically discount this concept. Makes it hard to ever have a conversation on cutting spending.

Well out.

How did anyone not see this coming? Seriously?

No offense, but how do you not know this? It's a pretty important reality.

so now will crazy libs start randomly washing and cleaning Teslas?

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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How did anyone not see this coming? Seriously?

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Everyone not blinded by MAGA knew this was coming. For as out there as Elon is he actually does care about spending. Trump has no ideology other than Tariffs being good. He just wants to win.

Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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you may be surprised to learn that he is currently #2 all time and is virtually guaranteed to become #1 during his 2nd term. this is true even after adjusting for inflation.

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2023NCAggies said:

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

This bill is basically just a tax bill combined with budget and new regulations

From listening to talk shows, they cannot simply cut everything Elon found. It has to be codified and done little by little to avoid road blocks. Correct me if that was wrong. I'm all ears

And many representatives are saying there will be more bills to come with codified cuts and other cuts

You simply cannot get it all in one bill. And you simply cannot get it done with a 8 count advantage in the house?

Push the bill, get the tax cuts, regulations in place and start cutting the budget in future bills.

If y'all think there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it? A legit "can be done with this congress" solution.

None of y'all can answer that simple question. So what do you want Trump to do?

If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot. I'm talking Rs will be shredded in 2026 if this doesn't pass. If we lose major good luck on getting any cuts at all

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If he truly wanted to decrease debt he could point it out, be a leader anything but what he is doing, crapping on Rand for doing so

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Rand is for the bill except for raising the debt ceiling. He wants that taken out, but I fail to see how that makes any sense. I like RP but this logic escapes me - the debt ceiling will have to be raised, so why let democrats have leverage to stop everything? I understand why Trump and Republicans are upset with him.

As for Elon, he is doing two things: one- he is telling the basic truth - the pork in these bills is disgusting and two- he is making some moves away from Trump to help his company stock prices.

If we lived in a dictatorship with him in charge, Elon could fix it. Instead we will have to go through a process to improve things which will take years. Which makes it extremely difficult to pull off. There's just no other way, however. Big growth and "restrained" spending can get us to a balance budget in three years.

Trump believes in growth more than he believes in cutting spending. Growth and reduced spending increases is the only thing that's likely going to work, so Trump is probably right.

"The only difference between R's and D's is R's feel guilty about spending (wasting) your money." This a direct quote to me from a Texas politico over 30 years ago.

I'm not even sure they feel guilty anymore.

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If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot.

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Just to be clear, you're saying that if a country with $36 trillion of debt doesn't pass a bill that locks in 2 trillion dollar yearly deficits for the foreseeable future, the economy will collapse?

People talk about kicking the can down the road, but the bill is almost due. Trump won't have to deal with a collapsing Social Security fund, but according to the CBO, there's a decent chance that the very next president that we elect will still be in office when SS announces that it's cutting benefits by a fifth to a quarter because it doesn't have the money to fund the promised amounts (if the 2028 president narrowly misses it, then 2032 definitely will have to deal with it immediately).

The reckoning is ****ing here and people are saying "we can't talk about that, that issue is a political loser!" Trump is a second term president who's done in 3.5 years. He claims that he wants to do right by the American people, so how about he stops ****ing around with on again/off again tariffs that we all know aren't going to result in more than a few micro concessions from random countries, and instead focuses on the crap that matters?

Old McDonald said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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you may be surprised to learn that he is currently #2 all time and is virtually guaranteed to become #1 during his 2nd term. this is true even after adjusting for inflation.

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Yep, King of Debt

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2023NCAggies said:

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If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot.

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Just to be clear, you're saying that if a country with $36 trillion of debt doesn't pass a bill that locks in 2 trillion dollar yearly deficits for the foreseeable future, the economy will collapse?

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The economy will collapse if a bill is not passed that keeps the tax rates from increasing significantly. So passing a bill is necessary. Even if its focused more on growth but not spending cuts, it's still necessary. Balanced budget possible in three years. Hold the line. Vote more fiscal conservatives into office.

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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People talk about kicking the can down the road, but the bill is almost due. Trump won't have to deal with a collapsing Social Security fund, but according to the CBO, there's a decent chance that the very next president that we elect will still be in office when SS announces that it's cutting benefits by a fifth to a quarter because it doesn't have the money to fund the promised amounts (if the 2028 president narrowly misses it, then 2032 definitely will have to deal with it immediately).

The reckoning is ****ing here and people are saying "we can't talk about that, that issue is a political loser!" Trump is a second term president who's done in 3.5 years. He claims that he wants to do right by the American people, so how about he stops ****ing around with on again/off again tariffs that we all know aren't going to result in more than a few micro concessions from random countries, and instead focuses on the crap that matters?

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Or we balance the budget in three to four years and save social security. That IS the plan. Without this, there is no plan and no hope and an entire political party gaining strength that will guarantee its destruction.

You think these clowns have any plan to balance the budget!?!? My dude, you're being suckered. The Republicans who got pork from Build Back Better's green initiatives can hardly be convinced to give THAT up.

Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Good Lord.....2016....he was talking about his life in the business world.

At least realize what the **** you're white knighting for.

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People talk about kicking the can down the road, but the bill is almost due.

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Bond markets are starting to tell us this.

jamey said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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you may be surprised to learn that he is currently #2 all time and is virtually guaranteed to become #1 during his 2nd term. this is true even after adjusting for inflation.

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Yep, King of Debt

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I mean, he beat out lib ass Obama's 8 in his first 4.

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Balanced budget possible in three years.

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…… um what? What in the holy hell is the path to this??

My man, the GOP can't even bring themselves to propose pre-Covid spending levels (inflation adjusted), or anything close to it.

Spot on summary - sadly.

"In the few months Elon was around the White House working with DOGE, I quickly learned what a LOSER he is. It's no wonder why Tesla is a shell of what it was" - DJT on Truth Social

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You think these clowns have any plan to balance the budget!?!? My dude, you're being suckered. The Republicans who got pork from Build Back Better's green initiatives can hardly be convinced to give THAT up.

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Yeah, Im done with the R party. I had them at zero chance of fixing the fiscal mess going back many years ago. I got suckered in this time. Never again.


I'll find a 3rd party thats probably lying too, but at least I don't 100% know it

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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People talk about kicking the can down the road, but the bill is almost due. Trump won't have to deal with a collapsing Social Security fund, but according to the CBO, there's a decent chance that the very next president that we elect will still be in office when SS announces that it's cutting benefits by a fifth to a quarter because it doesn't have the money to fund the promised amounts (if the 2028 president narrowly misses it, then 2032 definitely will have to deal with it immediately).

The reckoning is ****ing here and people are saying "we can't talk about that, that issue is a political loser!" Trump is a second term president who's done in 3.5 years. He claims that he wants to do right by the American people, so how about he stops ****ing around with on again/off again tariffs that we all know aren't going to result in more than a few micro concessions from random countries, and instead focuses on the crap that matters?

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Or we balance the budget in three to four years and save social security. That IS the plan. Without this, there is no plan and no hope and an entire political party gaining strength that will guarantee its destruction.

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LOLwut!?

jamey said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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You think these clowns have any plan to balance the budget!?!? My dude, you're being suckered. The Republicans who got pork from Build Back Better's green initiatives can hardly be convinced to give THAT up.

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Yeah, Im done with the R party. I had them at zero chance of fixing the fiscal mess going back many years ago. I got suckered in this time. Never again.


I'll find a 3rd party thats probably lying too, but at least I don't 100% know it

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I would go 3rd party if they actually ran a decent candidate. So far, its people on par with a drunken uncle that went to community college.

UntoldSpirit said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

This bill is basically just a tax bill combined with budget and new regulations

From listening to talk shows, they cannot simply cut everything Elon found. It has to be codified and done little by little to avoid road blocks. Correct me if that was wrong. I'm all ears

And many representatives are saying there will be more bills to come with codified cuts and other cuts

You simply cannot get it all in one bill. And you simply cannot get it done with a 8 count advantage in the house?

Push the bill, get the tax cuts, regulations in place and start cutting the budget in future bills.

If y'all think there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it? A legit "can be done with this congress" solution.

None of y'all can answer that simple question. So what do you want Trump to do?

If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot. I'm talking Rs will be shredded in 2026 if this doesn't pass. If we lose major good luck on getting any cuts at all

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If he truly wanted to decrease debt he could point it out, be a leader anything but what he is doing, crapping on Rand for doing so

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Rand is for the bill except for raising the debt ceiling. He wants that taken out, but I fail to see how that makes any sense. I like RP but this logic escapes me - the debt ceiling will have to be raised, so why let democrats have leverage to stop everything? I understand why Trump and Republicans are upset with him.

As for Elon, he is doing two things: one- he is telling the basic truth - the pork in these bills is disgusting and two- he is making some moves away from Trump to help his company stock prices.

If we lived in a dictatorship with him in charge, Elon could fix it. Instead we will have to go through a process to improve things which will take years. Which makes it extremely difficult to pull off. There's just no other way, however. Big growth and "restrained" spending can get us to a balance budget in three years.

Trump believes in growth more than he believes in cutting spending. Growth and reduced spending increases is the only thing that's likely going to work, so Trump is probably right.

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We can't outgrow our budget deficit. Not without tackling the spending side. And I mean REAL tackling. Not "reduced spending increases".

Hoyt Ag said:

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jamey said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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You think these clowns have any plan to balance the budget!?!? My dude, you're being suckered. The Republicans who got pork from Build Back Better's green initiatives can hardly be convinced to give THAT up.

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Yeah, Im done with the R party. I had them at zero chance of fixing the fiscal mess going back many years ago. I got suckered in this time. Never again.


I'll find a 3rd party thats probably lying too, but at least I don't 100% know it

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I would go 3rd party if they actually ran a decent candidate. So far, its people on par with a drunken uncle that went to community college.

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Yeah, libertarian party really crapped the bed.

Still, there's a non zero chance Micky Mouse might do something about the debt


Theres zero chance the R will do anything but grow it

UntoldSpirit said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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People talk about kicking the can down the road, but the bill is almost due. Trump won't have to deal with a collapsing Social Security fund, but according to the CBO, there's a decent chance that the very next president that we elect will still be in office when SS announces that it's cutting benefits by a fifth to a quarter because it doesn't have the money to fund the promised amounts (if the 2028 president narrowly misses it, then 2032 definitely will have to deal with it immediately).

The reckoning is ****ing here and people are saying "we can't talk about that, that issue is a political loser!" Trump is a second term president who's done in 3.5 years. He claims that he wants to do right by the American people, so how about he stops ****ing around with on again/off again tariffs that we all know aren't going to result in more than a few micro concessions from random countries, and instead focuses on the crap that matters?

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Or we balance the budget in three to four years and save social security. That IS the plan. Without this, there is no plan and no hope and an entire political party gaining strength that will guarantee its destruction.

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Do people actually still believe this? How many rounds of "We have to pass this turd sandwich now, so we can get to the real reform later" do you have to go through with the GOP. The debt isn't going to be dealt with by anyone, since even the alleged "conservative" party thinks cutting spending back to pre-pandemic levels is draconian.

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How did anyone not see this coming? Seriously?

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No kidding. Many of us called it long ago. I stand with Elon, he is 100% right and sadly Trump will crap on him to try and save face. Washington is full of nothing but a bunch of do nothing worthless talking heads.

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

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Hey Charlie Brown, Republicans had a big majority in both chambers in 2017 and failed to repeal Obamacare. We will NEVER cut spending even if Republicans have a super majority.

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52 to 48 is big?

I hope Trump doesn't crap on him, and believe in this case he'll resist the urge. He's done a ton and Trump has acknowledged as much.

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Good Lord.....2016....he was talking about his life in the business world.

At least realize what the **** you're white knighting for.

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you realize business and businessmen utilize debt all the time, this not a Trump only thing. Good lord you ever take a ****ing economics course?

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jamey said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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you may be surprised to learn that he is currently #2 all time and is virtually guaranteed to become #1 during his 2nd term. this is true even after adjusting for inflation.

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Yep, King of Debt

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I mean, he beat out lib ass Obama's 8 in his first 4.

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wrong jesus

Kansas Kid said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Oh absolutely he is. Go look at 2020 when the fire hoses of fiscal irresponsibility were turned up to 11 and he proudly put his name on the checks that were sent out.

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You are right he is 7th but there was a novel corona virus during his term, all countries faced this, this is severe Monday morning qbing here.

Loved the SOTU when MAGA was giving examples of pure waste. Johnson shaking his head as if powerless to address. MOFO was SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE when this crap was funded.

Cougar11 said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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Cougar11 said:

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jamey said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Oh absolutely he is. Go look at 2020 when the fire hoses of fiscal irresponsibility were turned up to 11 and he proudly put his name on the checks that were sent out.

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You are right he is 7th but there was a novel corona virus during his term, all countries faced this, this is severe Monday morning qbing here.

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And yet here he is, 5 years later, throwing his full support behind a budget that keeps Covid levels of spending constant.

The actual fiscal conservatives know this is a huge sh sandwhich and its not even close to conservatives fiscal views, this bill will be hung around necks.