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Logos Stick
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flown-the-coop said:

ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?
What should be in a Big Beautiful Bill then? Open borders? Legalize Anti-Semitism? Child Pedophilia?

What is on the lib agenda to get done?

Oh wait, you would just pass resolution after resolution claiming orange man bad, islamic jihadist good.

But MAGA hurts Americans with tax cuts and economic growth engines. Makes perfect sense.

Yeah, the Rs could double the spend here and it would be better than having the Dems run things.
TOUCHDOWN!
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flown-the-coop said:

ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?
What should be in a Big Beautiful Bill then? Open borders? Legalize Anti-Semitism? Child Pedophilia?

What is on the lib agenda to get done?

Oh wait, you would just pass resolution after resolution claiming orange man bad, islamic jihadist good.

But MAGA hurts Americans with tax cuts and economic growth engines. Makes perfect sense.


Calling liberals pedos. I'm sure this comment will stay up, while my comment that Republicans sold their souls to the idol of Trump was taken down for some reason.
flown-the-coop
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#truth
Funky Winkerbean
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ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?


Do you think we're getting out of this mess without it? Based on your post, you think there's an easy way out.
Jet White
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

flown-the-coop said:

ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?
What should be in a Big Beautiful Bill then? Open borders? Legalize Anti-Semitism? Child Pedophilia?

What is on the lib agenda to get done?

Oh wait, you would just pass resolution after resolution claiming orange man bad, islamic jihadist good.

But MAGA hurts Americans with tax cuts and economic growth engines. Makes perfect sense.


Calling liberals pedos. I'm sure this comment will stay up, while my comment that Republicans sold their souls to the idol of Trump was taken down for some reason.


You actually said Trump voters "wanted brown people out". Which is just baseless wishcasting on your part. And pretty gross.
flown-the-coop
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TOUCHDOWN! said:

flown-the-coop said:

ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?
What should be in a Big Beautiful Bill then? Open borders? Legalize Anti-Semitism? Child Pedophilia?

What is on the lib agenda to get done?

Oh wait, you would just pass resolution after resolution claiming orange man bad, islamic jihadist good.

But MAGA hurts Americans with tax cuts and economic growth engines. Makes perfect sense.


Calling liberals pedos. I'm sure this comment will stay up, while my comment that Republicans sold their souls to the idol of Trump was taken down for some reason.


I meant to say mutilation. Which is true as they want kids to have "gender affirming care".

So far, only the fringes of the left have called pedophilia to be normalized.

Sorry for the confusion.
Logos Stick
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Elon speaks:

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waitwhat? said:

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I stopped believing Rs were fiscal conservatives long ago and thats almost all I care about.
Yup. Only reason to vote R is they want to increase spending at a slower rate than democrats.
This is completely untrue. The only reason to vote R instead of D is because you get all of your (mis)information from the R-side "news" purveyors. Same can be said of Ds who only watch CNN, MSNBC, etc.

jamey
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All the ridiculous social blah blah stuff has been a great distraction for the liberals to get conservatives to take their eye and the spotlights off the fiscal ball.

infinity ag
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Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.
infinity ag
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Logos Stick said:

Elon speaks:



I like how he thinks. I am very much against debt.
I am also very much against H1B and shipping jobs overseas to make a miserable buck.
Phatbob
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infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.
Lot's of people who have a great understanding of the business world think that government is about problem solving and have the same sort of goals and fundamentals as the rest of life. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jet White
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infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.


I mean, we will all suffer from the fact that the problem he was trying to help with was completely ignored. But sure, LuLz aT eLoNnNn
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UntoldSpirit said:

Again, that's a nice principal for a world we will never live in.

Are you against all tax cuts that apply to YOU because they won't apply to people who aren't paying taxes?


The only tax cuts I support are for those already paying the lion's share and even then only until they get down to what everybody else is paying. Then increase taxes on those paying nothing. Until they are paying the same as everybody else.
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infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.
his companies are destroyed?
Funky Winkerbean
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infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.


And someone starred this post.
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SIAP
Sen. Paul Won't Support 'Big, Beautiful Bill'
quote from the article (my bold to emphasize)
  • Paul said he told Senate leadership he cannot support "the big, beautiful bill" because it calls for raising the debt limit by $4 trillion over the next two years, The Hill reported.

    "I've told them if they'll take the debt ceiling off of it, I'll consider voting for it," Paul told The Hill. "We've never, ever voted to raise the debt ceiling this much. It'll be a historic increase. I think it's not good for conservatives to be on record supporting a $4 or $5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling. If it's not conservative; I can't support it."
I believe it is important to understand that while Rand Paul is for more cuts in spending he seems to say here his main objection is the raising of the debt limit.
I agree and hope he is successful and a few more cuts in spending are added.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
slaughtr
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infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.

Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.
Jeeper79
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slaughtr said:

infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.

Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.
He was a hero until he contradicted dear leader.
flown-the-coop
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slaughtr said:



Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.
This is what Elon Derangement Syndrome looks like. Literally the clinical definition. Nice!
flown-the-coop
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Jeeper79 said:

slaughtr said:

infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.

Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.
He was a hero until he contradicted dear leader.
Followed by an example of Trump Derangement Syndrom.

But to the OP, has Trump still not responded?
Ducks4brkfast
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Elon is proving to be the most influential person on planet earth and mental giants here are questioning his intelligence.

Never change TexAgs,.
slaughtr
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flown-the-coop said:

slaughtr said:



Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.
This is what Elon Derangement Syndrome looks like. Literally the clinical definition. Nice!
But yet I'm still here and he got his ass fired.


Winning.
infinity ag
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slaughtr said:

infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.

Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.

IMO he handled DOGE badly. He came in and haphazardly fired people. This is what a terrible CEO would do, create a crisis so he can solve. He should have worked with the department heads, give them targets and cut after it was agreed upon where there is agreement. For example tell each dept head that the goal is to cut 20% salary so to recommend whom to cut.

He got to it with a chainsaw and pissed everyone off.

Vivek is smart to get off the train wreck early
slaughtr
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infinity ag said:

slaughtr said:

infinity ag said:

Poor Elon. Destroyed his companies and then has nothing to show for it on DOGE.

Makes me wonder how smart he really is and how TF did he get so rich.

Elon came in high on Ketamine and wielding a chainsaw but left after finding the equivalent of a nickel in the couch cushions. He's all sad because nobody wanted to be his super secret weekly email buddy so he decided to lash out at Trump on the way out. Look on the bright side, Elon, now you will have plenty of time for your favorite hobby…. Trolling trailer parks for your next half dozen baby mommas.

IMO he handled DOGE badly. He came in and haphazardly fired people. This is what a terrible CEO would do, create a crisis so he can solve. He should have worked with the department heads, give them targets and cut after it was agreed upon where there is agreement. For example tell each dept head that the goal is to cut 20% salary so to recommend whom to cut.

He got to it with a chainsaw and pissed everyone off.

Vivek is smart to get off the train wreck early
Agreed
UntoldSpirit
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Tom Fox said:

UntoldSpirit said:

Again, that's a nice principal for a world we will never live in.

Are you against all tax cuts that apply to YOU because they won't apply to people who aren't paying taxes?


The only tax cuts I support are for those already paying the lion's share and even then only until they get down to what everybody else is paying. Then increase taxes on those paying nothing. Until they are paying the same as everybody else.


Ok. So no tax cuts for anyone unless everyone is paying the same. In other words no tax cuts ever. Can't agree, but I hope your principles keep you happy.
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Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
flown-the-coop
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infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
This is essentially already in place. There is a cap benefits. Also, the wealthier usually defer their benefit which reduces the more immediate obligations of the gubmit.

Always remember you can pay additional amounts to the US Treasury if you desire.

Cutting tax on the rich increases investment driving economic growth.
Phatbob
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infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
It's not your money. It's not the governments money. Stop deciding who deserves what based on your envy.
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Quote:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?


Because I believe in tax fairness. The rich pay a disproportionate amount. This, they should be lowered.


Tip: Drop the class envy. It's not a good look!

I'm Gipper
ETFan
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flown-the-coop said:

ETFan said:

The tariffs explicitly hurt Americans. This bill explicitly hurts Americans. This bill increases the debt by trillions.

Exactly what MAGA wants. What else is there to discuss?
What should be in a Big Beautiful Bill then? Open borders? Legalize Anti-Semitism? Child Mutilation?

What is on the lib agenda to get done?

Oh wait, you would just pass resolution after resolution claiming orange man bad, islamic jihadist good.

But MAGA hurts Americans with tax cuts and economic growth engines. Makes perfect sense.
To summarize the GOP plan:
1. Raise tariffs (taxes) on Americans
2. Blow up the deficit with performative bills
3. Blame immigrants and drag queens when the math doesn't add up
4. Repeat on the next marginalized group when the global overton window shifts again

Tariffs are taxes on Americans. They raise costs for consumers and businesses. The proposed bill increases the deficit by trillions without clear return on investment, that's also a problem? Yeah? Your "open borders, child mutilation, and legalize anti-Semitism," is just outrage bait and you've been catfished.

If you really want a conversation about what should be in a "Big Beautiful Bill":
  • Literally anything that doesn't directly harm Americans that aren't in the 1%
  • Debt reduction plans with actual numbers behind them
  • Infrastructure investment
  • Smart immigration reform
  • Tax relief for average American families not the wealthy
  • Modernized healthcare access, not blindly cutting it

I would add continuing the things that made America great like being leaders in science, medicine, ground breaking research and development, our national parks and lands, etc. But apparently those are just all too wokre and must be dismantled post-haste and without thought!!


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ETFan said:




Tariffs are taxes on Americans. They raise costs for consumers and businesses. The proposed bill increases the deficit by trillions without clear return on investment, that's also a problem? Yeah? Your "open borders, child mutilation, and legalize anti-Semitism," is just outrage bait and you've been catfished.



Oh noes!
ETFan
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Don't be too hard on yourself. The propaganda machine has been at this for awhile.

Watch out! I think I saw a trans behind you!
Tom Fox
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How about taxing capital gains as income? That is where you make your money. Stop acting like you are Robin Hood.
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infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"
 
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