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JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:

bobbranco said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.
Hey Charlie Brown, Republicans had a big majority in both chambers in 2017 and failed to repeal Obamacare. We will NEVER cut spending even if Republicans have a super majority.

And the coward McCain voted with the Democrats. The Republicans with a big majority and such.


Lol. Given how many other Rs wilt when Trump goes after them (and pretty much his entire life story), you are welcome to not like McCain's politics, but "coward" is a laughable description.

This is kind of MAGA in a nutshell - turn on people that literally gave up years of their life fighting for this country because Trump said to and then say everyone else has TDS.
McCain was a coward with his vote to keep Obamacare. His pettiness was on full display. People treat him as though he's some saint. He was not. And his about face screwed Americans and the ever increasing cost of healthcare. This has nothing to do with MAGA.

Here's your saint...

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In 1979 while still married to Carol he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage. Some of McCain's acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centered womanizer who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to 'play the field'. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.

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McCain once called Obama a decent human, so at the very least John McCain is an absolute liar.
Logos Stick
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Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?

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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"


Empathy is for the private sector. Otherwise, yes, it is marxist
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ETFan said:

Don't be too hard on yourself. The propaganda machine has been at this for awhile.

Watch out! I think I saw a trans behind you!
The only person a trans will "get behind" is a democrat.
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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"
Empathy with other peoples money.

Better known as greed and envy.
flown-the-coop
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deddog said:

ETFan said:

Don't be too hard on yourself. The propaganda machine has been at this for awhile.

Watch out! I think I saw a trans behind you!
The only person a trans will "get behind" is a democrat.

I dont care about trans folk. I will not be forced to accept their fantasy, but that applies to all mentally deranged folks. Don't like the deranged around my son neither.

Seems like a reasonable position but somehow it offends the radical left.
infinity ag
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Im Gipper said:

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Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?


Because I believe in tax fairness. The rich pay a disproportionate amount. This, they should be lowered.


Tip: Drop the class envy. It's not a good look!

I agree. I think you should pay as much as Musk and Gates. Why should they pay more? You want to penalize them for being more successful and rich? They use the same infrastructure that you do, same roads, fire, etc etc.

I think you are underpaying and cheating the US Government.
So when are you paying up?
infinity ag
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Tom Fox said:

How about taxing capital gains as income? That is where you make your money. Stop acting like you are Robin Hood.

Cap gains is taxed now, no? I don't see your point.
infinity ag
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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"

heh.. lots of people here boasting on TA thinking that AI won't get them or they are going to become CEOs one day... but wait till they are old and weak, the same people are going to beg for socialism.
infinity ag
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deddog said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"
Empathy with other peoples money.

Better known as greed and envy.

In this case people lick the boots of the "rich" in order to be in compliance with "conservatism" or whatever their favorite show host blustered about. I think they hope to be CEO some day, so they can't look like hypocrites.

Little do they know, the current rich have rigged the system so bad that the current broke-ass people can never get in regardless of how hard they work or how many HVAC businesses they open.
infinity ag
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Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




It's coming.

Wait for it.

When Trump blows up on Elon, it will be epic!

I think Elon got fired from DOGE but Trump did not want to insult him like he does everyone else, so he said Elon was leaving after 130 days. Now Musk is pissed and wants to get back at Trump.
Why else would he publicly show Trump the finger.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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Trump lose his **** in a former supporter? No way.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
flown-the-coop
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I find it hard to believe that anyone other than a CNN beat write can believe the notion Elon was fired.

Staying past the mandated period would open Elon up to all sorts of financial disclosures. The fact that he made it to the very end and did not tap out after 2 weeks as many projected is evidence there is no particular bad blood.

Do I think Trump addresses this? Yes. Will he do it in a fair manner that will appeal to many? Probably not.

Or Trump could be letting Elon take a stick to congress critters to potentially get more out of the bill. Trump has shown time and again to play 4D chess games.

Or Elon is trying to salvage his rep by switching back to the antagonist role and distancing himself from Washington.

Regardless, Trump has shown restraint here for whatever reason, because he has been hot on Truth Social today.
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infinity ag said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"

heh.. lots of people here boasting on TA thinking that AI won't get them or they are going to become CEOs one day... but wait till they are old and weak, the same people are going to beg for socialism.


This conversation is always people talking past each other with false choice it seems.

The last thing in line that should be cut is help for people that genuinely need it. To the extent we have to at all.

Here's the problem, though. A lot of the people who scream all day about cutting benefits for the vulnerable (rightfully so), will not admit or accept that there is MASSIVE waste and fraud elsewhere in the government. Which is ironic, considering getting rid of that is what will make these benefits programs more solvent moving forward.

Don't want to raise the age of SS or do means testing? Want to make sure Medicaid isn't in danger? Great. Then you need to be willing to cut the completely duplicative federal agency. The federal worker who does little to nothing, hidden alway deep in the bowels of our massive administrative state, with his/her six figure income and fat pension after 20 years that you can't get anywhere in the private sector. The huge amount of prime office space the Feds pay for that is hardly utilized. The funding to the NGO that acts solely as a work around for the government to spend money on things it otherwise is it legally allowed to. The massive amount of waste at the Pentagon. Give aways to "green" companies and other subsidies or over priced fat contracts that are nothing more than gratuitous kickbacks. Wasteful education spending while our children get dumber and dumber. Legitimate benefits fraud.

If you aren't willing to cut funds to the things and people that don't deserve it, don't come at me talking about maintaining it for the people that do. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Not anymore. Our fiscal situation doesn't allow for it. So if you ACTUALLY care about keeping these programs sustainable, admit we have massive waste elsewhere and lobby that we cut it. Otherwise your position is nonsensical.

I would prefer continuing to provide resources to those in genuine need over any of the above wasteful nonsense any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Which is why I advocate that we start cutting it, and cutting it now. And if it turns out both have to be cut, we should cut every bit of waste possible first and then see where we are at that point.
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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"


Did you have empathy during your daddy's 15% inflation and how the poor suffered the most? No, you didn't.
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infinity ag said:

deddog said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"
Empathy with other peoples money.

Better known as greed and envy.

In this case people lick the boots of the "rich" in order to be in compliance with "conservatism" or whatever their favorite show host blustered about. I think they hope to be CEO some day, so they can't look like hypocrites.

Little do they know, the current rich have rigged the system so bad that the current broke-ass people can never get in regardless of how hard they work or how many HVAC businesses they open.

I'll tell you this. If you keep *****ing about what everybody else has and how they're all keeping you down, you will be right. You'll never accomplish anything.

Here's a tip. It's not them. It's you.
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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"

Would you like a Band-Aid for all that bleeding?
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infinity ag said:

Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




It's coming.

Wait for it.

When Trump blows up on Elon, it will be epic!

I think Elon got fired from DOGE but Trump did not want to insult him like he does everyone else, so he said Elon was leaving after 130 days. Now Musk is pissed and wants to get back at Trump.
Why else would he publicly show Trump the finger.
Special Government Employees (SGEs) have a 130 day limit - no need to speculate.

Musk is showing Trump the finger because Trump is not backing up DOGE actions with actual cuts (yet). I think Musk has somewhat unrealistic expectations of how fast/easy/motivated Congress is to work with. Its a broke system which doesn't sit well with most people, especially autistic billionaires.


And yeah, the public divorce when Trump posts will be epic.
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Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




Elon is speaking truth.

Going against truth is just more BS that we don't have time for.


I hope others join Elon in speaking truth. I'll vote against everyone who doesn't. Its time to grow up and act like adults
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jamey said:

Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




Elon is speaking truth.

Going against truth is just more BS that we don't have time for.


I hope others join Elon in speaking truth. I'll vote against everyone who doesn't. Its time to grow up and act like adults


What's frightening is how many people where will tell you Trump is the adult here. And I would bet every single one of them was cheering on DOGE a month ago.
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infinity ag said:

deddog said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"
Empathy with other peoples money.

Better known as greed and envy.

In this case people lick the boots of the "rich" in order to be in compliance with "conservatism" or whatever their favorite show host blustered about. I think they hope to be CEO some day, so they can't look like hypocrites.

Little do they know, the current rich have rigged the system so bad that the current broke-ass people can never get in regardless of how hard they work or how many HVAC businesses they open.
So what have you not been able to do because the system was rigged against you?
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javajaws said:

infinity ag said:

Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




It's coming.

Wait for it.

When Trump blows up on Elon, it will be epic!

I think Elon got fired from DOGE but Trump did not want to insult him like he does everyone else, so he said Elon was leaving after 130 days. Now Musk is pissed and wants to get back at Trump.
Why else would he publicly show Trump the finger.
Special Government Employees (SGEs) have a 130 day limit - no need to speculate.

Musk is showing Trump the finger because Trump is not backing up DOGE actions with actual cuts (yet). I think Musk has somewhat unrealistic expectations of how fast/easy/motivated Congress is to work with. Its a broke system which doesn't sit well with most people, especially autistic billionaires.


And yeah, the public divorce when Trump posts will be epic.
This here is the problem. Congress just doesn't give a shi$. Why would they ever cut costs? They have nothing to gain. They just keep up the spending, especially in their own districts and punt the problem to future generations.

And Democrats judges have blocked every attempt to reduce spending via the executive. This country is ****ed. Most people are just too stupid to see it.
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infinity ag said:

Tom Fox said:

How about taxing capital gains as income? That is where you make your money. Stop acting like you are Robin Hood.

Cap gains is taxed now, no? I don't see your point.
It is flat taxed. Let it be taxed at the top income tax bracket. You are being obtuse. I know you are intelligent.

And we all should be taxed at the exact same rate as Musk. For everything including investment income.
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infinity ag said:

Im Gipper said:

Quote:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?


Because I believe in tax fairness. The rich pay a disproportionate amount. This, they should be lowered.


Tip: Drop the class envy. It's not a good look!

I agree. I think you should pay as much as Musk and Gates. Why should they pay more? You want to penalize them for being more successful and rich? They use the same infrastructure that you do, same roads, fire, etc etc.

I think you are underpaying and cheating the US Government.
So when are you paying up?


You aren't really much of a thinker then.


Seriously, your envy of others is not good for you!

I'm Gipper
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infinity ag said:


heh.. lots of people here boasting on TA thinking that AI won't get them or they are going to become CEOs one day... but wait till they are old and weak, the same people are going to beg for socialism.

............................


Little do they know, the current rich have rigged the system so bad that the current broke-ass people can never get in regardless of how hard they work or how many HVAC businesses they open.
Bull****

I'm 53, had a lot of medical issues last year of my own doing, then lost 80 pounds to be at 265-270 at 6'6". I'm most definitely not "old", but have definitely been weakened. I work 2 jobs, both in management now, and bust my ass 80-100 hours a week, if not more some weeks. I'm not rich by any stretch and probably don't even make my homie Tom Fox's tax bill in salary, but it's mine and I was homeless not to long ago, living out of my car/truck.

This idea that so many have that "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is a thing of the past!" is ****ing idiotic and not based in reality.

Is it easy? No.

Will you wake up every day going "Yay! I get to work 18 hours today!"? Nope.

Will the smile of my son being able to eat, have clothes, do well in school and be happy in life make my heart sing? Abso****inglutely.

Here's my "GiantMexiHonky's guide to life".

1) Don't be a *****


2) When life gets hard, work even harder at #1.


3) profit
deddog
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Tom Fox said:

infinity ag said:

Tom Fox said:

How about taxing capital gains as income? That is where you make your money. Stop acting like you are Robin Hood.

Cap gains is taxed now, no? I don't see your point.
It is flat taxed. Let it be taxed at the top income tax bracket. You are being obtuse. I know you are intelligent.

And we all should be taxed at the exact same rate as Musk. For everything including investment income.
BigRobSA
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deddog said:


Most people are just too stupid. to see it.
FIFme

And why I hate people.


Persons are okay...































...sometimes.
deddog
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infinity ag said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

Why are so many poors and lolpoors so passionately fighting for "tax cuts for the rich"?
A rich guy with 100M doesn't really need a damn tax cut. It won't make his life better or worse.

A poor guy struggling every day, if he gets a tax cut, will be able to survive and fight another day.

Example: I am "well off". I don't need social security though I paid into it for 25+ years. If it goes away, I would not notice. A poor person? Yes, it will affect him a lot and he is counting on it.

I would support SS to be canceled for everyone beyond a certain wealth level. Maybe $500k or something. Or maybe a certain last salary level of $100k. I am also part of it and I volunteer to lose my SS benefits too. This is a minimum we can do for our country to reduce the burden. Send the money saved towards the external debt.

I demand tax cuts for the poor. Make unemployment as tax free.
Empathy of any kind is weakness. Unless you are for kicking the old, infirm and young out on the street, you are a "marxist!"

heh.. lots of people here boasting on TA thinking that AI won't get them or they are going to become CEOs one day... but wait till they are old and weak, the same people are going to beg for socialism.
Not everyone is envious of the rich and successful.
And I've lived through socialism. I know how it ends.
Its why I have my guns. Because eventually there will be enough ignorant people who will vote for it.

Deputy Travis Junior
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Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




Maybe I'm a cynical ******* but it wouldn't surprise me if Elon is trying to get Trump to bash him for PR purposes. Elon's been rewarded for his participation in the political process by a non stop strong of idiots calling him a nazi and vandalizing Teslas, so maybe he's trying to put some air between his company and Trump.
jamey
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Did I mention Trump is the King of Debt?

Thunderstruck xx
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What even was the point of Elon heading up DOGE if they're now spending more than it cut?
Jet White
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jamey said:




Anxiously awaiting flown the coop, Untold Spirit, etc. to goal tend for this one.




jamey
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

Logos Stick said:

Elon actively lobbying against the bill now. How long until Trump body slams him?




Maybe I'm a cynical ******* but it wouldn't surprise me if Elon is trying to get Trump to bash him for PR purposes. Elon's been rewarded for his participation in the political process by a non stop strong of idiots calling him a nazi and vandalizing Teslas, so maybe he's trying to put some air between his company and Trump.


Would be hilarious if it worked and suddenly die hard democrats were railing against debt.
BigRobSA
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Jet White said:

jamey said:




Anxiously awaiting flown the coop, Untold Spirit, etc. to goal tend for this one.





Fookin' pwn3d those libs.......
































......by doing their work for them.
 
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