I’m sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore.

This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 3, 2025

I stopped believing Rs were fiscal conservatives long ago and thats almost all I care about. Musk brought me back into the fold with his interview of Trump and his participation. I doubt I'll ever buy the R fiscal conservatism narrative again.


R and Ds are Thelma and Louise

Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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Yup. Only reason to vote R is they want to increase spending at a slower rate than democrats.

There are no fiscal conservatives. Maybe Rand Paul.

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Yup. Only reason to vote R is they want to increase spending at a slower rate than democrats.

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I don't even know if that's true. Biggest difference netween R and Ds seems to be how money is wasted, not how much.

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I don't even know if that's true. Biggest difference netween R and Ds seems to be how money is wasted, not how much.

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tbis is pretty much how i see it as well. two sides to the same coin but ultimately same grift just different beneficiaries.

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I don't even know if that's true. Biggest difference netween R and Ds seems to be how money is wasted, not how much.

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tbis is pretty much how i see it as well. two sides to the same coin but ultimately same grift just different beneficiaries.

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Did you notice the gif in my OP showing Thelma and Louise locking hands in unity before going off the cliff?

The analogy would be perfect if there were children in the backseat representing our kids and grand kids

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I don't even know if that's true. Biggest difference netween R and Ds seems to be how money is wasted, not how much.

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tbis is pretty much how i see it as well. two sides to the same coin but ultimately same grift just different beneficiaries.

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Did you notice the gif in my OP showing Thelma and Louise locking hands in unity before going off the cliff?

The analogy would be perfect if there were children in the backseat representing our kids and grand kids

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absolutely spot on it disgusts me because we both know it's all being done on purpose.

Yeah there's "better" or "worse" but it'd be really ****ing nice to have someone actually sit in the bully pulpit and use it for good

Also, at least the Ds don't pretend to be fiscal conservatives or even fiscally responsible for that matter


Our government is run by 13 year olds dropped at the mall with a credit card and no rules

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Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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Want to make a bet on this?

Maybe it's time for Musk to jump back on his spaceship and return to his home planet. He tried his best to help humanity and save our country but we just keep fighting him at every turn.

and just like that, cyber trucks and teslas everywhere were safe again

Bamboozled again https://t.co/0gTxn9ChlB pic.twitter.com/Ko9mpK3YSr

— Burt Macklin (@BurtMaclin_FBI) June 3, 2025

You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

This bill is basically just a tax bill combined with budget and new regulations

From listening to talk shows, they cannot simply cut everything Elon found. It has to be codified and done little by little to avoid road blocks. Correct me if that was wrong. I'm all ears

And many representatives are saying there will be more bills to come with codified cuts and other cuts

You simply cannot get it all in one bill. And you simply cannot get it done with a 8 count advantage in the house?

Push the bill, get the tax cuts, regulations in place and start cutting the budget in future bills.

If y'all think there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it? A legit "can be done with this congress" solution.

None of y'all can answer that simple question. So what do you want Trump to do?

If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot. I'm talking Rs will be shredded in 2026 if this doesn't pass. If we lose major good luck on getting any cuts at all

Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

yall are shocked neither party is serious about cutting spending??? This the job of congress more so than any president but they just keep rubber stamping spending bills and kicked it down the road.

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

This bill is basically just a tax bill combined with budget and new regulations

From listening to talk shows, they cannot simply cut everything Elon found. It has to be codified and done little by little to avoid road blocks. Correct me if that was wrong. I'm all ears

And many representatives are saying there will be more bills to come with codified cuts and other cuts

You simply cannot get it all in one bill. And you simply cannot get it done with a 8 count advantage in the house?

Push the bill, get the tax cuts, regulations in place and start cutting the budget in future bills.

If y'all think there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it? A legit "can be done with this congress" solution.

None of y'all can answer that simple question. So what do you want Trump to do?

If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot. I'm talking Rs will be shredded in 2026 if this doesn't pass. If we lose major good luck on getting any cuts at all

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Great summary and well said.

I can answer the simple question - this is what I wanted Trump to do. Push as hard and fast as feasible and be prepared for judiciary nonsense and rogue Rs looking to make a name for themself.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

Won't change until someone gets into office on the platform of upending and ending Social Security and Medicare, which won't happen until either the Boomer generation have all passed or the US defaults biggly when no one else will buy out debt.

Unfortunately I can see one of those scenarios playing out in the next 10 years.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Won't change until someone gets into office on the platform of upending and ending Social Security and Medicare, which won't happen until either the Boomer generation have all passed or the US defaults biggly when no one else will buy out debt.

Unfortunately I can see one of those scenarios playing out in the next 10 years.

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no one wants to address entitlements cause its a loser politically not sure what the answer is, congress only cares about getting re-elected.

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You're not going to cut a lot unless you have a big majority in both chambers.

This bill is basically just a tax bill combined with budget and new regulations

From listening to talk shows, they cannot simply cut everything Elon found. It has to be codified and done little by little to avoid road blocks. Correct me if that was wrong. I'm all ears

And many representatives are saying there will be more bills to come with codified cuts and other cuts

You simply cannot get it all in one bill. And you simply cannot get it done with a 8 count advantage in the house?

Push the bill, get the tax cuts, regulations in place and start cutting the budget in future bills.

If y'all think there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it? A legit "can be done with this congress" solution.

None of y'all can answer that simple question. So what do you want Trump to do?

If you don't get this done the economy will collapse. The bill I mean. Than you're really in a bad spot. I'm talking Rs will be shredded in 2026 if this doesn't pass. If we lose major good luck on getting any cuts at all

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If he truly wanted to decrease debt he could point it out, be a leader anything but what he is doing, crapping on Rand for doing so

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Won't change until someone gets into office on the platform of upending and ending Social Security and Medicare, which won't happen until either the Boomer generation have all passed or the US defaults biggly when no one else will buy out debt.

Unfortunately I can see one of those scenarios playing out in the next 10 years.

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no one wants to address entitlements cause its a loser politically not sure what the answer is, congress only cares about getting re-elected.

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Medicare and Medicaid should be addressed thru the cost of Healthcare itself. We pay double what our peers pay and its not like we have better results


We need a medical care DOGE team tasked with finding cost savings

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Hey Charlie Brown, Republicans had a big majority in both chambers in 2017 and failed to repeal Obamacare. We will NEVER cut spending even if Republicans have a super majority.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign. At least he's not a flip flopper

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Elon is going to be **** on by Trump in short order.

Followed by all the MAGAs attacking him for daring to criticize Trump.

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Nope, you won't see the latter as a majority.

With Rand Paul hiding in the trunk after he gets what he wants tucked into the bill.

Everybody is a fiscal conservative until it affects their district. Of course we want to cut spending. Just not here.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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Trump in his 2016 campaign. At least he's not a flip flopper

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Except on Qatar

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Huh? He is.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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Trump in his 2016 campaign

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thats an interesting perspective not sure he is even in the top 10 POTUS all time of adding to the debt.

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Oh absolutely he is. Go look at 2020 when the fire hoses of fiscal irresponsibility were turned up to 11 and he proudly put his name on the checks that were sent out.

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Also I'm probably the biggest MAGA Trump guy here, one of at least

I will say he is a dumbass for criticizing the conservatives trying to cut spending in this bill. Leave it alone if they are not collapsing the bill. Let them vent. And work with them to get cuts in future bills.

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The self proclaimed King of Debt doesn't give a damn

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who is the king of debt?

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Trump in his 2016 campaign. At least he's not a flip flopper

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Except on Qatar

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And TikTok, crypto, debt reduction..:.