fixer said:

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You don't get to act like an ******* and create a situation that requires you to use deadly force to get yourself out of the situation.

This is the actual law in Texas. The defense has no way around this.

If this guy gets off then we are all hosed and the precedent is terrible.

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Not quibbling with you (to borrow a term from Hawg), but Karmelo wasn't required to use deadly force to get out of the situation.

He was asked repeatedly to leave and didn't want to leave.

He wanted to be in that situation.

He wanted to kill someone.

He chose to use deadly force instead of accepting the invitation to leave.

He wanted to murder someone.

jrdaustin said:

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For the prosecutors here, I have an interesting question:

If I am on the jury, and me all the others save one are ready to convict on murder, but we have one single holdout who is adamant that they will support no more than manslaughter; and, nothing that is said will move them from that position...

Would you prefer the jury settle on the manslaughter charge, or would you prefer the jury to hang and try the case again?

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Take the manslaughter verdict. But that is ultimately up to the jury, not the prosecution. Compromise verdicts are not uncommon.

Why would the judge introduce that the jury CAN consider manslaughter as a verdict in this case? I think that's an easy out for the jury and that's what they will decide.

jrdaustin said:

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For the prosecutors here, I have an interesting question:

If I am on the jury, and me all the others save one are ready to convict on murder, but we have one single holdout who is adamant that they will support no more than manslaughter; and, nothing that is said will move them from that position...

Would you prefer the jury settle on the manslaughter charge, or would you prefer the jury to hang and try the case again?

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Try it again. His defense team doesn't have a legitimate defense.

Slicer97 said:

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fc2112 said:

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“You didn’t hear the words motive in the jury charge, but you can make reasonable deductions as to how that applies to intent”

“Karmelo has no motive other than he absolutely felt like he was in danger”

“The evidence is very clear these kids didn’t know each other”

“This case…

— J.D. Miles (@jdmiles11) June 9, 2026

Quote:

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On the "touch me and find out comment from Karmelo

"That is the ultimate warning it is the ultimate backoff"

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No, it is escalating a confrontation, negating the claim of self defense.

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This guy Miles doesnt know kids. Especially BSC kids. KA's motive that day was to eff someone up. Might have been Miles, might have been me, or anyone else that pissed him off that day. Motive? To KA , anyone who he assumed pissed in his Post toasties was going to get it.

Bighunter43 said:

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Why would the judge introduce that the jury CAN consider manslaughter as a verdict in this case?

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Covering all his bases to prevent a mistrial.

Dallas morning news is shameless garbage enemy of America:

Karmelo Anthony Trial: Legitimacy of the jury is in doubt | Opinion https://t.co/FBlw1W3b7U

— Dallas Morning News (@dallasnews) June 9, 2026

Want a brief snapshot of where we stand on race relations today? Imagine if just a few of the jury members in this case were black. There's a very real chance that he would get off scott free in that instance. Because they will bend over backwards to defend the absolute worst of them, as long as it was just a whitey that was killed. I truly believe a majority of them view this kind of thing as justified payback, or "reparations" of sorts.

Lots of black dudes on social media going full force to bat for Karmelo Anthony. If you are white, remember how many people hate you for the color of your skin and want to see your downfall...stay strapped and keep head on swivel.

DMN has been trash since before I was born

BMX Bandit said:

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Dallas morning news is shameless garbage enemy of America:

Karmelo Anthony Trial: Legitimacy of the jury is in doubt | Opinion https://t.co/FBlw1W3b7U

— Dallas Morning News (@dallasnews) June 9, 2026

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Journalist love a good riot, making news rather than reporting news.

jrdaustin said:

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For the prosecutors here, I have an interesting question:

If I am on the jury, and me all the others save one are ready to convict on murder, but we have one single holdout who is adamant that they will support no more than manslaughter; and, nothing that is said will move them from that position...

Would you prefer the jury settle on the manslaughter charge, or would you prefer the jury to hang and try the case again?

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That's a nightmare for a prosecutor. Never want to retry a case, especially one so racially charged.

Sounds like State has a really good case so a Manslaughter conviction is the worst outcome imaginable. So I would rather retry the case. Bitter pill either way.

Let's hope the jury does the right thing. And in TX, the jury usually gets it right.

BMX Bandit said:

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Dallas morning news is shameless garbage enemy of America:

Karmelo Anthony Trial: Legitimacy of the jury is in doubt | Opinion https://t.co/FBlw1W3b7U

— Dallas Morning News (@dallasnews) June 9, 2026

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The same people argue against your ability to defend your self and your loved ones with deadly force from home invaders.

**** them with a hot steel rod.

Bighunter43 said:

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Why would the judge introduce that the jury CAN consider manslaughter as a verdict in this case? I think that's an easy out for the jury and that's what they will decide.

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Lesser included offenses as charged. But what the judge actually instructed was that they could not consider the manslaughter charge until they first deal with the murder charge. If unanimous guilty on that murder charge, they are done.

If not unanimous, then they consider the manslaughter charge.

Anything and everything to avoid consequences for KA and his actions. Always, always the victim, ashamed of nothing offended by everything.

BMX Bandit said:

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Dallas morning news is shameless garbage enemy of America:

Karmelo Anthony Trial: Legitimacy of the jury is in doubt | Opinion https://t.co/FBlw1W3b7U

— Dallas Morning News (@dallasnews) June 9, 2026

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Ridiculous…if the facts support the prosecutions case and the defense can't form any reasonable doubt, I am not sure how a just jury, regardless of skin color, wouldn't convict KA…why would having half the jury black or all black make a difference, if it is truly a just jury?

Yes, I am fully aware that there would be blacks that vote not to convict just due to skin color.

Bighunter43 said:

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Why would the judge introduce that the jury CAN consider manslaughter as a verdict in this case? I think that's an easy out for the jury and that's what they will decide.

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The prosecution is probably fine leaving that in because there's no way any rational person can look at the facts and charges and think this was a death caused by reckless endangerment. It's pretty clearly intentional murder.

That said, I don't know how the sudden passion argument applies to charges/sentencing. Even though I don't think it applies, it might be a situation where it "downgrades" to manslaughter if the jury thinks it does.

To answer the poster asking for predictions…..

Verdict today
Manslaughter 20 years w 10 served. He will be out before he is 30.

prediction
guilty for murder
50 years

nbbob said:

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To answer the poster asking for predictions…..

Verdict today
Manslaughter 20 years w 10 served. He will be out before he is 30.

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I sure hope you're wrong. Sadly I bet that's the outcome and the KA defenders will STILL be outraged.

And back in for another offense by 32….

what is really on trial here is our judicial system. If it's anything less than a verdict of guilty of murder we will know even the most straightforward case in a metro suburb can't be tried fairly because of race baiting.

Tergdor said:

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Bighunter43 said:

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Why would the judge introduce that the jury CAN consider manslaughter as a verdict in this case? I think that's an easy out for the jury and that's what they will decide.

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The prosecution is probably fine leaving that in because there's no way any rational person can look at the facts and charges and think this was a death caused by reckless endangerment. It's pretty clearly intentional murder.

That said, I don't know how the sudden passion argument applies to charges/sentencing. Even though I don't think it applies, it might be a situation where it "downgrades" to manslaughter if the jury thinks it does.

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To further expound on this, if there is an iota of evidence for self defense, whether that evidence is credible or not, then the judge must put self defense in the jury charge. And, as mentioned above, the prosecutors know that is the safe thing to do legally and I get the feeling that the prosecutors are pretty confident of a Murder conviction. They are able to see how the jury reacts to the evidence and to closing arguments of both sides.

So putting self defense in the charge cuts off an issue on appeal.

My prediction:
Guilty of murder, verdict by 2pm
20-30 years

If deliberations go into tomorrow, manslaughter is a real possibility.

Prosecutors - is this just about the weakest self-defense case you've ever seen? No danger to him at all, he escalated, multiple witnesses all saying the same thing.

Here are screenshots of the Judge's charge to the jury in the Karmelo Anthony murder trial. It's the instructions they follow to determine whether the defendant's actions met the requirements of murder or manslaughter. If they don't meet the requirements of either he will be… pic.twitter.com/AYYmRt9qF9

— J.D. Miles (@jdmiles11) June 9, 2026

is this a capital murder case?

sam callahan said:

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what is really on trial here is our judicial system. If it's anything less than a verdict of guilty of murder we will know even the most straightforward case in a metro suburb can't be tried fairly because of race baiting.

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I disagree with you on our judicial system. The problem is bigger than that. It would reflect on our entire society in our country. And that has reared its head for decades but seems like a much bigger problem now than ever before.

NO

I've got the same guess.

But with a side bet - if he's in the "wrong" prison, does his sentence end early with him being wheeled out after a skinhead decides to finish him off?

kingj3 said:

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is this a capital murder case?

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No. In Texas for it to be capital murder there has to be another crime committed at the same time like rape, robbery etc or killing of a member of law enforcement.

fc2112 said:

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Prosecutors - is this just about the weakest self-defense case you've ever seen? No danger to him at all, he escalated, multiple witnesses all saying the same thing.

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Nope

normalhorn said:

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I've got the same guess.

But with a side bet - if he's in the "wrong" prison, does his sentence end early with him being wheeled out after a skinhead decides to finish him off?

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Don't give me hope

kingj3 said:

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is this a capital murder case?

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No, I'm pretty sure the facts in the case don't fit the requirements for capital. Texas has unique circumstances for it

Prosperdick said:

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nbbob said:

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To answer the poster asking for predictions…..

Verdict today
Manslaughter 20 years w 10 served. He will be out before he is 30.

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I sure hope you're wrong. Sadly I bet that's the outcome and the KA defenders will STILL be outraged.

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I hope I'm wrong too - the Metcalfs deserve justice. But I think there are so many outside elements to this case that the jurors will say "we can satisfy both sides somewhat with a guilty verdict but not one so harsh he is in jail for 50 years."

Tergdor said:

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kingj3 said:

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is this a capital murder case?

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No, I'm pretty sure the facts in the case fit the requirements for capital. Texas has unique circumstances for it

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I assume you meant the facts DO NOT fit the requirements for capital murder? Because they don't.