I'm finding it very interesting that Biden and the White House are nowhere to be seen in all of this.

Dementia Joe has already abdicated.

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They won't if MJ had the votes
It would have passed yesterday
Jeffries might supply enough votes to get it passed

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I'm reading Johnson's statement as it's the 150 page "skinny CR" that's up for vote. NOT the 1500 page behemoth.

Only change is the debt ceiling extension provision is removed.

But I could be mistaken.

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I have scars on my hand that I got JUST like that.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5051288-johnson-government-funding-shutdown-plan-b/

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The package would fund the government at current levels through March 14, extend the farm bill by one year and appropriate billions of dollars in disaster aid and assistance for farmers the same provisions that were in Speaker Mike Johnson's (R-La.) plan B proposal that failed on the House floor Thursday night.

But in a departure from that measure, Friday's bill will not include language to raise the debt limit after Democrats and a handful of Republicans came out against the provision despite President-elect Trump initially demanding that such language be included.

House GOP leadership plans to bring the package to the floor under the fast-track suspension of the rules process, which bypasses the need to approve a procedural rule but require two-thirds support for passage. It remains unclear if Democrats will support the package.

The House is expected to vote on the new proposal around 5 p.m., a source told The Hill. Without congressional action, large parts of the federal government would shut down hours later, just after midnight.

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) emerged from a tense two-hour meeting with his GOP conference in the Capitol basement to announce the developments and vow that there would be no shutdown with less than eight hours to go until the deadline.

"There is a unanimous agreement in the room that we need to move forward," he told reporters.

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In lieu of dealing with the debt limit in the funding plan, as Trump had wanted, Republicans struck an agreement to raise the debt ceiling by $1.5 trillion in exchange for $2.5 trillion in net cuts to spending, done through a reconciliation package, two sources confirmed to The Hill.

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It is not clear which programs would be cut. An original version of that spending agreement presented to members targeted mandatory spending cuts, a bucket that includes Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, but one member said the final agreement removed the word "mandatory." Congress is not able to use the reconciliation package to change Social Security.

One Republican said that the idea behind the suspension strategy, despite it being unclear if Democrats will provide the two-thirds support needed for passage, is to jam them into supporting it or else have the government shut down before Republicans pursue another plan.

"I think the idea here is we can vote on this, and then Democrats won't miss their flights this afternoon," said Rep. Mike Flood (R-Neb.).

If the bill does not pass, Republicans are likely to advance to a strategy that splits the Plan B bill into three buckets: A "clean" continuing resolution through March 14, a disaster aid bill, and legislation that appropriates assistance for farmers.

Because of wonky procedural issues, the House would not be able to take up the three-prong strategy until after midnight the time when a government shutdown would start.

House Republicans were considering those two options during their closed-door meeting on Friday, two sources told The Hill, during which it became clear that there was "overwhelming consensus" in favor of the single measure brought under the fast-track process.

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Tea Party said:

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Teslag said:

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We were told to withdraw our Christmas PTO requests today and anticipate a shutdown since we will be off and just get back pay later.

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People with a lack of morals are a big problem contributing to our culture rot.

Congrats on your taxpayer funded vacation though…

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Well, some people got a free truck by defrauding the government on application for government funded college education. Seems to be a trend.

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hair pic.twitter.com/BwYORaLy4E

— Mike Solana (@micsolana) December 20, 2024

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The movie Idiocracy personified.

jrdaustin said:

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Sq 17 said:

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They won't if MJ had the votes
It would have passed yesterday
Jeffries might supply enough votes to get it passed

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I'm reading Johnson's statement as it's the 150 page "skinny CR" that's up for vote. NOT the 1500 page behemoth.

Only change is the debt ceiling extension provision is removed.

But I could be mistaken.

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You are correct.

infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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Hopefully, your comment was sarcastic.
You do realize less than 20% of the government is shut down. You do realize all essential services remain open. You do realize any government shut down has absolutely no effect, none whatsoever, nada, zip on any bizarre belief you have in the increase of anarchy. It is a completely comical that you would compare a federal government shut down to the defund the police crap the far left progressives advocated

👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

Martin Q. Blank said:

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The only thing that could personally affect you is if you planned to go to a national park or airshow. If Biden is feeling extra spiteful, he'll put barricades around open air memorials like Obama did.

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Which is weird since the National Park Service is a profit center, if I remember correctly they generate ~ $1,5 billion in profits for the government.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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That's not what a shutdown is, but you know that.

Didn't know you wanted big daddy govt to keep you in line.

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A government shutdown occurs when Congress fails to fund federal agencies, leading to closures of non-essential services, furloughs, and delays in public programs, while essential operations continue without immediate pay for employees.

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It is dumb of people who want to turn us into a 3rd world country.

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Sarcasm duly noted

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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So where is this anarchy you brought up?
Conflate much or just outright lies?
edit it was infinity ag claiming anarchy will be the result of a government shut down to.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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Looks like the Democrats were fine with watching the Repubicans at war with each other over this and trying to scare the American public with shutdown rhetoric until the threat of actually voting on single spending bills was tentatively approved.

That is their worst nightmare, so now all of a sudden they are willing to support the 157 page comprehensive version of the bill. It just tells you how disingenous they have been and how much sense it makes to vote on single issue spending bills.

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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Looks like the Democrats were fine with watching the Repubicans at war with each other over this and trying to scare the American public with shutdown rhetoric until the threat of actually voting on single spending bills was tentatively approved.

That is their worst nightmare, so now all of a sudden they are willing to support the 157 page comprehensive version of the bill. It just tells you how disingenous they have been and how much sense it makes to vote on single issue spending bills.

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Most Democrats are acting like anti-American liars and Johnson is either naively playing into their hand or going along with it.

We need a new GOP SOTH and I don't care how much drama that comes with going through that process again.

jrdaustin said:

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I'm finding it very interesting that Biden and the White House are nowhere to be seen in all of this.

Dementia Joe has already abdicated.

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I was hoping Biden would show up, but they are keeping him hidden so all focus is on MJ, Musk, and Trump.

The CR is a pure blame game. KJP went out today and literally said the same sentence about 50 times.

KJP blames Elon Musk for the government shutdown even though it’s Democrats who voted to shut it down. pic.twitter.com/wSQOfRtUYi

— Paul A. Szypula 🇺🇸 (@Bubblebathgirl) December 20, 2024

It would be insulting to dem intelligence, but they have none. She pretends the other side is "playing politics" while she literally plays politics. So glad this woman is gonna be gone soon. She made history by being the worst press sec ever.

KJP is basically the house willing to do her master's bidding no matter how ridiculous and insulting it may be. Protect that master

Un-accomplished liar she is.

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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So where is this anarchy you brought up?
Conflate much or just outright lies?

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Where did I say there would be anarchy, or anything near that?

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KJP is basically the house willing to do her master's bidding no matter how ridiculous and insulting it may be. Protect that master

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Interesting choice of using the word of "master." I'm wondering if the same word would've been used or was used for Jen Psaki when she was in that position.

Question: Why does the fiscal year end September 30th but CRs are months later at the end of the calendar year?

FobTies said:

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jrdaustin said:

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I'm finding it very interesting that Biden and the White House are nowhere to be seen in all of this.

Dementia Joe has already abdicated.

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I was hoping Biden would show up, but they are keeping him hidden so all focus is on MJ, Musk, and Trump.

The CR is a pure blame game. KJP went out today and literally said the same sentence about 50 times.

KJP blames Elon Musk for the government shutdown even though it’s Democrats who voted to shut it down. pic.twitter.com/wSQOfRtUYi

— Paul A. Szypula 🇺🇸 (@Bubblebathgirl) December 20, 2024

It would be insulting to dem intelligence, but they have none. She pretends the other side is "playing politics" while she literally plays politics. So glad this woman is gonna be gone soon. She made history by being the worst press sec ever.

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Give it a few hours.. Elon will come out and tell her to STFU and that she's and idiot

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Question: Why does the fiscal year end September 30th but CRs are months later at the end of the calendar year?

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Quoting myself because of the use it or lose it theory of budgeting gives two bites at the apple of just shoveling tax payer dollars out of the door with no oversight. Can an accountant explain why?

Tea Party said:

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Teslag said:

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We were told to withdraw our Christmas PTO requests today and anticipate a shutdown since we will be off and just get back pay later.

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People with a lack of morals are a big problem contributing to our culture rot.

Congrats on your taxpayer funded vacation though…

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If you knew how he remained silent for rape you wouldn't be surprised.

If I recall the victim committed suicide, right Tesla?

No Spin Ag said:

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richardag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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So where is this anarchy you brought up?
Conflate much or just outright lies?

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Where did I say there would be anarchy, or anything near that?

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My mistake, was referring to infinity ag. I will correct my mistake.

I apologize for confusing your post with infinity ag

richardag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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richardag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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So where is this anarchy you brought up?
Conflate much or just outright lies?

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Where did I say there would be anarchy, or anything near that?

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My mistake, was referring to infinity ag. I will correct my mistake.

I apologize for confusing your post with infinity ag

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No problem, it happens.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

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This is where DOGE needs to really dissect it and eliminate all the fraud. I know it's a political hot potato that neither side wants to touch but if you make SNAP only for healthy food and audit the absolute hell out of welfare and to a lesser extent, SS, I bet there is a LOT of savings that can be had.

I guarantee you there are billions being paid in SS to folks that are ineligible (or dead) and especially for welfare.

titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

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This is why I maintain such a fatalist opinion of the debt. We aren't going to solve it. We are screwed and nothing will stop the implosion. I simply shake my head at anyone that thinks DOGE is going to accomplish anything.

No one in Washington is ever going to touch SS, Medicare, Medicaid, or Defense. Along with debt payment all of those are now more than 2/3 of spend. Republicans have already said they are not going to touch any of these buckets as a matter of policy. It's flat out stated in the Republican Policy Platform that none of this will get cut.

That leaves you with "Discretionary" which is 1/3 and that will have the entirety of the Deep State and Congress fighting tooth and nail to not cut.

YouBet said:

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titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

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This is why I maintain such a fatalist opinion of the debt. We aren't going to solve it. We are screwed and nothing will stop the implosion. I simply shake my head at anyone that thinks DOGE is going to accomplish anything.

No one in Washington is ever going to touch SS, Medicare, Medicaid, or Defense. Along with debt payment all of those are now more than 2/3 of spend. Republicans have already said they are not going to touch any of these buckets as a matter of policy. It's flat out stated in the Republican Policy Platform that none of this will get cut.

That leaves you with "Discretionary" which is 1/3 and that will have the entirety of the Deep State and Congress fighting tooth and nail to not cut.

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Agree on its face, except are a big believer in the idea of growing the economy and power base enough to compensate. Think of 2017-2019 where you can make sure that trend goes ahead even better and less fettered by MSM undermining (and it can with the center liberals now on board) and freeing up the economy by getting rid of regs that basically were issue by the WEF in Switzerland.

The best answer to the debt is to start gaining on it, rather than trying to cut enough to fix it. Gain on it, and figure out ways to arrest bloat (This is the role DOGE and other such attitudes might accomplish).

Remember, it doesn't have to be solved any more than it had for the 20thC, if you can get it back to where it is not just steadily growing worse. Alot of the overseas meddling is part of the expense too.

titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

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I caught a small piece of that discussion and to be honest, it nauseated me. I understand that the majority of the budget is baked in and not legally or procedurally open to congressional control. What is bothersome is the lack of courage or will to at least eliminate the fraud within the systems, nor the confidence to peel these programs back and make the necessary changes to make them more efficient. Here we have Elon Musk actively pursuing Mars, yet we have nobody that will get SS and Medicare on the table? We used to be a country that wasn't scared to do the right thing.

I guess I'll stick to my original prognosis that we are doomed to dramatically fail because we've lost our balls and convictions.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Logos Stick said:

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👀🚨BREAKING: Thomas Massie said Speaker Mike Johnson went back on his word. The House will be voting on ONE HUGE BILL, NOT SEPARATE.

“He spoke with Hakeem Jeffries, realized he could get Democrat votes to pass it as ONE BILL”

MOTION TO VACATE!

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) December 20, 2024

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Johnson has been such a disappointment. Just shut it down.

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The majority of the Republicans are disappointments. As Roy stated, they run on balanced budgets and never actually do anything.

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But isn't that itself a lie? A balance budget at the federal level is impossible. Levin's show has raised the interesting idea that in effect, that claim and goal is a form of defrauding if they are not going to discuss the some 65% of entitlements or built in expenses.

What getting from it is that the very stated goal itself is a way of ducking the actual action that needs to be discussed.

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I caught a small piece of that discussion and to be honest, it nauseated me. I understand that the majority of the budget is baked in and not legally or procedurally open to congressional control. What is bothersome is the lack of courage or will to at least eliminate the fraud within the systems, nor the confidence to peel these programs back and make the necessary changes to make them more efficient. Here we have Elon Musk actively pursuing Mars, yet we have nobody that will get SS and Medicare on the table? We used to be a country that wasn't scared to do the right thing.

I guess I'll stick to my original prognosis that we are doomed to dramatically fail because we've lost our balls and convictions.

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You may be correct. Its one of the arguments against thinking the present system really is viable for long. Because it would take fiat style measures and some arbitrary `deletes' of outlays (to use Musk's interview term) to make much impact. Some of the public might be willing to do the `right thing' but you are shackled to a political class stuck in the Cold War and the Civil Rights Era and keeping things there while busting the bank.
(Incidentally, that objective fact is one of the better arguments in favor of term limits -- generation lock)