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The points the "hard no" votes seem to be rallying around are (1) disaster aide to North Carolina, (2) farm aide, (3) debt ceiling increase and extension for two years.

Of those, the first two shouldn't be politically volatile but I guess are. Maybe others disagree.

The debt ceiling increase I can see being an uncomfortable point for fiscal conservatives but Trump is pushing on it now to clear it from the deck for a tax cut bill next year. Congress considers tax cuts to be spending and so a future debt ceiling debate will tie down and restrict what can go into a tax cut bill.

What's unique in all this is that it's the President-elect, not the current President, who is scuttling bills before even taking office.

My two-cents is Chip, et al, need to get in line. Not everything has to be solved right this minute.

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If the bolded is true, Chip needs to get his azz in line. Trump must pass a tax cut bill.

DeSantis crowd just can't let go.

Deviously tasteful tears of bitterness…

BTW Lizzy was a DeSantis groupie

Dacoldest said:

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Yes it's with a straight face because a lot of dumbasses here don't understand there are two variables to deficit spending: revenue and expenses.

You can add to the deficit with lower revenue and lower spending.

If you want higher taxes, no advancement of Trumps federal agenda, and for status quo federal spending programs then keep defending chip Roys.

This is 2017-2018 all over again since the re_tar_d republican caucus can't stop getting in their own way.

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So much irony in this... It is also possible to have lower deficit with lower revenue and lower spending, too. You're willing to make one of our biggest problems bigger to maybe do something about some other problems.

This is the type of endorsement TRUE PATRIOTS want

Congressman Chip Roy is one of the most principled conservatives in Washington DC and people across this country are grateful for his stand against runaway federal spending. We just can’t keep piling trillions in debt on our children and grandchildren. Thank You @RepChipRoy!🇺🇸

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) December 19, 2024

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This is the type of endorsement TRUE PATRIOTS want

Congressman Chip Roy is one of the most principled conservatives in Washington DC and people across this country are grateful for his stand against runaway federal spending. We just can’t keep piling trillions in debt on our children and grandchildren. Thank You @RepChipRoy!🇺🇸

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) December 19, 2024

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That is all I needed to see. Chip is a POS. It is always easiest to tell who is on the wrong side of an issue by who is supporting you.

Dacoldest said:

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So many Cheney Republicans here lol

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we won't cut spending. It means Trump can extend/expand tax cuts & get his agenda in place without being held hostage by congressman trying to get their pork regularly.

Chip has an agenda & you idiots fall for it and his pretty, fiery words

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You do realize that if Chip votes for this bill as is, the Dems in the Senate won't pass it right? Unless they get something substantial they are not voting to suspend or raise the debt ceiling. SMH.

I think we are about to hear that the Rs have a cut a deal and will get something done…

Market has started to reverse course all of a sudden…

Elon for speaker

Putting a spot light on the cockroaches

BMX Bandit said:

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When you have someone claiming to be on the right that tells you conservatism is dead, it tells you alot about that person. Policy is not important. Personality and doing what feels good in the moment are key.

The future of the party will be Chip Roy types vs Marjorie Taylor Greene types.

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You're wrong. You think Chip Roy's can gather a coalition like Trump to defeat the socialists? The demographics, the direction of the youth, lower church attendance should tell you this.

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Dacoldest said:

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So many Cheney Republicans here lol

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we won't cut spending. It means Trump can extend/expand tax cuts & get his agenda in place without being held hostage by congressman trying to get their pork regularly.

Chip has an agenda & you idiots fall for it and his pretty, fiery words

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You do realize that if Chip votes for this bill as is, the Dems in the Senate won't pass it right? Unless they get something substantial they are not voting to suspend or raise the debt ceiling. SMH.

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Then the focus would go on the democrats being obstructionists. It really isn't that hard. .

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Logos Stick said:

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Dacoldest said:

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So many Cheney Republicans here lol

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we won't cut spending. It means Trump can extend/expand tax cuts & get his agenda in place without being held hostage by congressman trying to get their pork regularly.

Chip has an agenda & you idiots fall for it and his pretty, fiery words

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You do realize that if Chip votes for this bill as is, the Dems in the Senate won't pass it right? Unless they get something substantial they are not voting to suspend or raise the debt ceiling. SMH.

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Then the focus would go on the democrats being obstructionists. It really isn't that hard. .

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Ok, but that's not his point at all. He actually thinks if the House passes it, we are golden!

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How much rent does Ron pay to live in your head

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Slow down now, the DeSantis crowd jumped on thread first, blocking for Roy. Trump and DeSantis have made up, didn't you hear that they hung out at the Army game where Trump told him he was his backup up for Sec of something.

Let me explain the debt ceiling to you since it's pretty clear most of you have no idea what is going on.

As of now, there is no debt ceiling.

Let me repeat that for all of those "true conservative" supporters. As of right now, there is no debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling…

— unseen1 (@unseen1_unseen) December 20, 2024

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Let me explain the debt ceiling to you since it's pretty clear most of you have no idea what is going on.

As of now, there is no debt ceiling.

Let me repeat that for all of those "true conservative" supporters. As of right now, there is no debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling was suspended back in Jun of 2023.

As things stand now, as of Jan 1st, 2025, the debt ceiling will return, and it will be whatever it was when it was suspended plus whatever spending Biden and the dems did since June of 2023. That new debt ceiling is estimated to be hit by June of 2025 if not earlier.

What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.

This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.

You see, the government idiots consider tax cuts as government spending. So if you do $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $ 4 trillion in spending.

The debt ceiling redemption on Jan 1st will make Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default. Do you get it now?

By not moving the non-existent debt ceiling back two more years, the "true conservatives" just stopped you from getting more of your money returned to you by tax cuts and they kept more money in the government for a bigger gov. In effect, they just voted for the exact opposite of what they tell you they want and don't for a second think they don't know that.

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The "more correct" way to say this is that tax cuts are a reduction in revenue which increase the deficit rather than "new spending" but the effect is the same.

The Trump plan, as best as anyone can tell, is to address the deficit and national debt by growing the economy and removing regulations. But the Year 0 effect of a tax cut bill, etc, will be notated as an increase to the deficit.

Tom Fox said:

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Fitch said:

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The points the "hard no" votes seem to be rallying around are (1) disaster aide to North Carolina, (2) farm aide, (3) debt ceiling increase and extension for two years.

Of those, the first two shouldn't be politically volatile but I guess are. Maybe others disagree.

The debt ceiling increase I can see being an uncomfortable point for fiscal conservatives but Trump is pushing on it now to clear it from the deck for a tax cut bill next year. Congress considers tax cuts to be spending and so a future debt ceiling debate will tie down and restrict what can go into a tax cut bill.

What's unique in all this is that it's the President-elect, not the current President, who is scuttling bills before even taking office.

My two-cents is Chip, et al, need to get in line. Not everything has to be solved right this minute.

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If the bolded is true, Chip needs to get his azz in line. Trump must pass a tax cut bill.

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It's only partially true. It is true that it is considered "spending" by the CBO for estimation purposes and for mischaracterizations by liberals in the press, but it has nothing to do with the Debt Ceiling. It is a bad argument from people who are desperate to cling to the idea that "this time, something is different".

Fitch said:

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The Trump plan, as best as anyone can tell, is to address the deficit and national debt by growing the economy and removing regulations. But the Year 0 effect of a tax cut bill, etc, will be notated as an increase to the deficit.

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Trump added $5 trillion to the debt pre COVID. We are not growing out way out of this and we are not "unregulating" our way way out of it, especially now that the interest on the debt is approaching exponential.

Logos Stick9

Remember when a "republican " congress voted to keep Obama care in place?

Cheney Republicans loved their pork then & always will

Then have a vote on the debt limit.

Tom Fox said:

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gbaby23 said:

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This is the type of endorsement TRUE PATRIOTS want

Congressman Chip Roy is one of the most principled conservatives in Washington DC and people across this country are grateful for his stand against runaway federal spending. We just can’t keep piling trillions in debt on our children and grandchildren. Thank You @RepChipRoy!🇺🇸

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) December 19, 2024

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That is all I needed to see. Chip is a POS. It is always easiest to tell who is on the wrong side of an issue by who is supporting you.

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Mike Lee is supporting him too. What do you make of that?

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Logos Stick9

Remember when a "republican " congress voted to keep Obama care in place?

Cheney Republicans loved their pork then & always will

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You mean McCain? Yes, I remember. He voted against Trump out of spite. Had nothing to do with pork.

Logos Stick said:

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Fitch said:

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The Trump plan, as best as anyone can tell, is to address the deficit and national debt by growing the economy and removing regulations. But the Year 0 effect of a tax cut bill, etc, will be notated as an increase to the deficit.

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Trump added $5 trillion to the debt pre COVID. We are not growing out way out of this and we are not "unregulating" our way way out of it, especially now that the interest on the debt is approaching exponential.

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Was the debt increase a function of the TCJA or additional spending on gov't programs / subsidies?

Tom Fox said:

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gbaby23 said:

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This is the type of endorsement TRUE PATRIOTS want

Congressman Chip Roy is one of the most principled conservatives in Washington DC and people across this country are grateful for his stand against runaway federal spending. We just can’t keep piling trillions in debt on our children and grandchildren. Thank You @RepChipRoy!🇺🇸

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) December 19, 2024

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That is all I needed to see. Chip is a POS. It is always easiest to tell who is on the wrong side of an issue by who is supporting you.

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And Elizabeth Warren supports Trump on the debt ceiling. Cognitive dissonance much?
https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-admits-donald-trump-exactly-right-about-debt-ceiling-2003933

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Tom Fox said:

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Fitch said:

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The points the "hard no" votes seem to be rallying around are (1) disaster aide to North Carolina, (2) farm aide, (3) debt ceiling increase and extension for two years.

Of those, the first two shouldn't be politically volatile but I guess are. Maybe others disagree.

The debt ceiling increase I can see being an uncomfortable point for fiscal conservatives but Trump is pushing on it now to clear it from the deck for a tax cut bill next year. Congress considers tax cuts to be spending and so a future debt ceiling debate will tie down and restrict what can go into a tax cut bill.

What's unique in all this is that it's the President-elect, not the current President, who is scuttling bills before even taking office.

My two-cents is Chip, et al, need to get in line. Not everything has to be solved right this minute.

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If the bolded is true, Chip needs to get his azz in line. Trump must pass a tax cut bill.

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It's only partially true. It is true that it is considered "spending" by the CBO for estimation purposes and for mischaracterizations by liberals in the press, but it has nothing to do with the Debt Ceiling. It is a bad argument from people who are desperate to cling to the idea that "this time, something is different".

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Have we ever had people like Elon and Vivek tasked with shining a light on the wasteful spending? Being able to articulate it on a social media platform? Able to reach MILLIONS with a tweet? Ability to use LLM AI to parse it he spending bills in seconds?

You're damn right we think something is different!

I'm not going to pretend like I fully understand all of the intricacies here. But it sounds like Chip Roy isn't opposed to a debt ceiling removal, he just wants to do it cleanly, with a stand alone bill. Not as part of a ridiculous pork laden mega bill that also includes 4 trillion in additional Democrat spending, right? If this is the case, why wouldn't every Republican be on board with this? Why would we just give the left $4 trillion of pork when we can get what we want (debt ceiling removal) through a stand alone clean bill?

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Phatbob said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Fitch said:

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The points the "hard no" votes seem to be rallying around are (1) disaster aide to North Carolina, (2) farm aide, (3) debt ceiling increase and extension for two years.

Of those, the first two shouldn't be politically volatile but I guess are. Maybe others disagree.

The debt ceiling increase I can see being an uncomfortable point for fiscal conservatives but Trump is pushing on it now to clear it from the deck for a tax cut bill next year. Congress considers tax cuts to be spending and so a future debt ceiling debate will tie down and restrict what can go into a tax cut bill.

What's unique in all this is that it's the President-elect, not the current President, who is scuttling bills before even taking office.

My two-cents is Chip, et al, need to get in line. Not everything has to be solved right this minute.

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If the bolded is true, Chip needs to get his azz in line. Trump must pass a tax cut bill.

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It's only partially true. It is true that it is considered "spending" by the CBO for estimation purposes and for mischaracterizations by liberals in the press, but it has nothing to do with the Debt Ceiling. It is a bad argument from people who are desperate to cling to the idea that "this time, something is different".

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Have we ever had people like Elon and Vivek tasked with shining a light on the wasteful spending? Being able to articulate it on a social media platform? Able to reach MILLIONS with a tweet? Ability to use LLM AI to parse it he spending bills in seconds?

You're damn right we think something is different!

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If the net effect is more spending, then it is all theater, and nothing is different.

I voted for Trump, but I hope we don't see him on unhinged rants on twitter all the time.

Logos Stick said:

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Dacoldest said:

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So many Cheney Republicans here lol

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we won't cut spending. It means Trump can extend/expand tax cuts & get his agenda in place without being held hostage by congressman trying to get their pork regularly.

Chip has an agenda & you idiots fall for it and his pretty, fiery words

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You do realize that if Chip votes for this bill as is, the Dems in the Senate won't pass it right? Unless they get something substantial they are not voting to suspend or raise the debt ceiling. SMH.

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Then let the DEMOCRATS vote to shutdown the government.

Put the onus on them.

Sure, the media will spin it that it's all the GOP's fault, but at least the GOP will have the vote as a receipt and they can post that **** all over X.

Chip is grand standing.



No sense of awareness and will cost his district

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Logos Stick said:

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Dacoldest said:

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So many Cheney Republicans here lol

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we won't cut spending. It means Trump can extend/expand tax cuts & get his agenda in place without being held hostage by congressman trying to get their pork regularly.

Chip has an agenda & you idiots fall for it and his pretty, fiery words

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You do realize that if Chip votes for this bill as is, the Dems in the Senate won't pass it right? Unless they get something substantial they are not voting to suspend or raise the debt ceiling. SMH.

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Then let the DEMOCRATS vote to shutdown the government.

Put the onus on them.

Sure, the media will spin it that it's all the GOP's fault, but at least the GOP will have the vote as a receipt and they can post that **** all over X.

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That's not his point. I've already explained that.

If the goal is to simply put the onus on the Dems for the shut down, then take the debt ceiling stuff out and offset the $100 bil in new spending with a cut. Every R in the House will vote for it. Nothing is getting passed regardless.

Debt ceiling (credit card limit) is irrelevant. No one forces them to use it.

I'm torn on this. I agree with the conservatives taking a stand, but I worry about the possible consequences of doing so. Will doing this hamper Trump's agenda from being implemented?

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Chip is grand standing.

No sense of awareness and will cost his district

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Dude won his district by 26 freaking points. He has no need to grandstand and will never lose his district as long as he feels like running.

He is one of the few guys in congress taking a principled stand. The fact that you fools oppose him shows why the GOP never win their policy desires.

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He ran unopposed in the primary and there are plenty of districts anyone with (R) next their name can win in a blow out. A challenger changes everything.