Assad's army flees Aleppo as rebel group surges

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AtticusMatlock
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9:48a, 1/6/25
Assad was allied with Iran. His govt produced missiles for Hezbollah and facilitated transport of weapons and other supplies into Lebanon. Hezbollah militias were fighting in Syria against the ISIS and against the rebels who eventually took over the country.
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titan
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 9:51a, 1/6/25
Ag In Ok said:
I'm not certain Obama ordered it or the CIA told Obama this is what he "ordered".
Brennan seems more directly responsible if going that route. Certainly he and Kerry were enabling it.
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nortex97
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 9:53a, 1/6/25
You may be right, again I dunno. But I'd never heard the name and apparently it was a real project, with a huge budget and terrible 'partners.'



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Many of the weapons were purchased in the Balkans or other locations in Eastern Europe, and then routed to Syrian rebel forces and training camps by Jordanian security services. CIA paramilitary operatives trained Syrian rebels in use of the weaponry. According to Charles Lister at The Daily Beast there were at least 50 vetted rebel groups fighting in Syria that received weapons or training through the program after late 2012; the exact number is not known.

According to American officials, the program was highly effective, training and equipping thousands of US-backed fighters to make substantial battlefield gains. American officials stated that the program began to lose effectiveness after Russia intervened militarily in the Syrian Civil War. David Ignatius, writing in The Washington Post, remarked that while the CIA program ultimately failed in its objective of removing Assad from power, it was hardly "bootless": "The program pumped many hundreds of millions of dollars to many dozens of militia groups. One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian soldiers and their allies over the past four years."
No worries, the 'good guys' are running Syria and Libya now. From the first link above:
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The epitome of all that went wrong with US policy in Syria was Timber Sycamorea billion-dollar CIA program to arm and train Syrian rebels fighting the forces of Bashar al-Assad. Timber Sycamore ultimately failed to unseat Assad, helped turn Syria into a proxy war between the United States and Russia, and caused untold misery to the Syrian people. A three-year study funded by the European Union and the German government later established that efforts by the United States and its allies to arm Syrian rebels "significantly augmented the quantity and quality of weapons" of the Islamic State.
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In reply to AtticusMatlock • 9:53a, 1/6/25
AtticusMatlock said:
Assad was allied with Iran. His govt produced missiles for Hezbollah and facilitated transport of weapons and other supplies into Lebanon. Hezbollah militias were fighting in Syria against the ISIS and against the rebels who eventually took over the country.


How can you even pick a side in a mess like that.
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titan
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9:56a, 1/6/25

Oh its real in the sense that the instability in Syria was our doing, not Russia's like he said. Its set into high gear during Obama's dumb "Arab Spring" of 2011 where he also let Mubarak being replaced by an Islamist bent Egyptian, Morsi. Not just Obama, but our neocon element was obsessed with taking down Assad (not having learned from Saddam) because a Russian ally and was quite okay with letting IS grow to its terroristic levels to accomplish that. With no regard to the Christians and non radical Muslims in the region. Remember the convoys not destroyed by air attack? Then later in the game around 2013 France and Russia actually start real counter-attacks. These too were opposed by the Kerry clique.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:35a, 1/6/25
There's little doubt in my mind Israel was a silent partner. The wars of the last 12 years were really a regional power play between the Iranians, Turks, and the Arabs...with Russia and the US pushing for their preferred outcomes.
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nortex97
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In reply to AtticusMatlock • 10:41a, 1/6/25
I certainly don't disagree with you. I've read a lot of takes about Likud etc. pushing for various components of this. I don't really know how much of that to believe, but it's been a mess. A lot of this has also led to the 'refugee crisis' that is also causing a huge mess in Europe.

Again, I am not and have not been an Assad fan but I don't know that anyone can look at this, Libya, or Iraq and conclude 'yep, that was a great investment of our tax dollars/military expertise etc.' And I am also skeptical (despite my personal loathing of the guy) Obama really came up with/supported this stuff. He's not a real smart guy and was in his own way a pawn just as with Biden.
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8:50p, 3/7/25
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8:51p, 3/7/25

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As predictable as this is, it's still infuriating to see it. For decades, Bashar al-Assad protected minority religious communities in Syria, including the country's large Christian population. No one in the United States was allowed to notice this, and anyone who did was immediately denounced by neocons as a dangerous extremist. Bari Weiss declared Tulsi Gabbard "monstrous" and an "Assad toady" for noticing. But it was true. Assad protected the Christians. The weaker Assad was, the more Christians died. During the years that neocons in the west backed the war against Assad, the percentage of Christians in Syria went from ten percent to two percent. Now that Assad has been driven from power, many of the remaining Syrian Christians are being slaughtered and their holy places desecrated. Bari Weiss and John Bolton haven't said a word about it. But no one who's paying attention can be surprised it's happening. Neocon projects in the Middle East invariably destroy ancient Christian communities, from Iraq to Gaza and in many places in between. Can this be an accident? You wonder.
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nortex97
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In reply to Fat Black Swan • 4:23a, 3/8/25
Yes, it's really surprising the jihadist in a suit is…still a jihadist, despite being funded by us and championed in state media since Assad was kicked out.

Benz has a reply to the below post with very graphic images of the ethnic cleansing/mass murder Biden's 'good guy' is now facilitating.


Surely Samantha Power and the cabal of egomaniac morons from Biden 46's State Department/USAID leadership brain trust will lament this shocking turn of events soon. Right?
No, but it's disturbing that 'our' beast has been doing this over the past month.

I won't post more for now but much more is at Sarah's timeline on X.
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In reply to Fat Black Swan • 7:47a, 3/8/25
It's pretty obvious if you pay attention to Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro that every foreign policy decision in the Middle East is based around strengthening Israel's position. Hell Shapiro spends 2/3 of his Daily Wire podcast talking about Israel no matter what the news of the day is. Christian persecution is just a political football that they use along the way.
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nortex97
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 8:17a, 3/8/25
Well, podcasters have their own biases/messages, sure, and Shapiro is undoubtedly an Israeli partisan (which he has repeatedly affirmed) but that doesn't diminish the real harm to various communities, including Christian ones, in Syria, Iraq etc.


@drelidavid and @hamasatrocities have much more gruesome imagery, as well as babaktaghvaeee1 above.
Horrific. Exactly as predicted.

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