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Wasn't this proven false years ago?

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DOJ chose not to indict, but it was never proven nor disproven in court.

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Nobody has to disprove anything.
It's innocent until proven otherwise and I guess the DOJ didn't like their case.

I would expect they would have brought it for harassment purposes if there had been a big enough fish to embarrass further or they could have gotten a democrat jury.

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Rapier108 said:

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DonHenley said:

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Wasn't this proven false years ago?

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DOJ chose not to indict, but it was never proven nor disproven in court.

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Nobody has to disprove anything.
It's innocent until proven otherwise and I guess the DOJ didn't like their case.

I would expect they would have brought it for harassment purposes if there had been a big enough fish or they could have gotten a democrat jury.

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Someone asked if it was "proven false."

My comment was the correct answer to that. Nothing was ever proven either way. It is simply an accusation someone made.

Yeah JFK took a girls virginity while president elect and she hadn't ever even kissed a guy.

But one creep doesn't make up for another. I just feel like if there was damning evidence, he would have been thrown out.

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I don't think it was proven false but there wasnt evidence to prove guilt either.

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That's kinda how criminal allegations go. there's never a way to "prove" someone innocent. But the deepv state will chug on.

Were there really witnesses?

There are plenty of potential candidates for AG that will "drain the swamp" if you will and that don't have the kind of baggage that Gaetz has.

With all due respect to the incoming Trump administration, in the long run, this nomination going down in flames would be a blessing in disguise for them.

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I remember when this happened with Roy Moore. The left promised to prove all of the smoke. They never did.

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Roy Moore sank himself. His accusers gave very compelling stories and he gave a very unconvincing denial.

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I'm MAGA. But damn, some MAGAs MAGA more than anyone. They latched onto this muh child trafficking and pedos, but here is one that has some credibility- not just a pizza place with a basement. And does anyone care?

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I don't like the Gaetz nomination. I think there are far better options which would be more effective and be much easier to confirm. I also don't like the idea of responding to a weaponozed DOJ with an equally weaponized DOJ on the other side. I'd like to be able to trust the DOJ to enforce the law without extreme levels of partisanship.

Having said all that, I do think it's a persuasive argument that a Dem-weaponized DOJ didn't pursue charges against Gaetz. If there was really anything there, it seems very likely they would have pursued it. They've pursued plenty of things under Obama and Biden which didn't have a whole lot of substance to them.

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Is it weaponized if DOJ under Trump goes after politicians on the other side 9and some GOP) that have actually conspired, prepetrated hoaxes, and engages in outright election interference? I would simply call that justice. Going after people who have earned it.

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Just don't be selective in prosecution. Go after everyone who's broken the law equally, and don't pick and choose which laws to enforce based on who's more likely to have broken them.

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The media isn't allowed to report accusations?

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Can you explain to us so we can understand how and why we shouldn't even think about the timing of this accusation? This is something I constantly struggle with because at least from my point of view it happens a lot, so please explain.

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This accusation has been around for several years. It didn't just pop up in the last few days.

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I assumed this was a different accusation because the one from several years ago went nowhere.

He is 42, his wife looks much younger thn him.

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Can you explain to us so we can understand how and why we shouldn't even think about the timing of this accusation? This is something I constantly struggle with because at least from my point of view it happens a lot, so please explain.

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I have no dog in this fight, but let's ASSUME you did something he's currently accused of - and it was brought to light, but never proven and lost all of it's momentum...

... but then all the sudden, you're in the public eye and about to get promoted into a very high-visibility office position such as a President's Cabinet...

... and you can't understand why that would ruffle the feathers of your accusers?

It's one thing if you laid low and lived out your life... another if it's out and front of the world.....

What ever happened to that good old democrat precept,
"the appearance of impropriety?"

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.. but then all the sudden, you're in the public eye and about to get promoted into a very high-visibility office position such as a President's Cabinet...

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She testified over the summer. Long before Gaetz was nominated.


My son has a crazy theory that this is all being done to get rid of Gaetz and the Ethics complaint.

Gaetz resigns and will eventually withdraw from the nomination in return for the ethics probe staying under wraps.

You must be new here. If someone says something another doesn't like. Automatic LIE.

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I refuse to believe one thing the Democrats or legacy media report regarding Republicans without irrefutable proof.

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You don't have to believe the sex with a minor story in order to conclude that Gaetz is a poor choice for AG. He doesn't have the legal or administrative experience (you would like for a candidate to have both, but one will do in a pinch), and he's pissed off enough members of his own party that he would be a liability for anything that requires Congressional approval.

So, why spend a bunch of political capital fighting these sleaze allegations when the guy is a poor choice to begin with?

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Were there really witnesses?

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They are projecting a Walz issue.

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He is 42, his wife looks much younger thn him.

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I refuse to believe one thing the Democrats or legacy media report regarding Republicans without irrefutable proof.

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You don't have to believe the sex with a minor story in order to conclude that Gaetz is a poor choice for AG. He doesn't have the legal or administrative experience (you would like for a candidate to have both, but one will do in a pinch), and he's pissed off enough members of his own party that he would be a liability for anything that requires Congressional approval.

So, why spend a bunch of political capital fighting these sleaze allegations when the guy is a poor choice to begin with?

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It's not for you to decide. It's Trump's choice and he has a mandate from a big majority of Americans. He evidently doesn't believe the allegations and thinks Gaetz is the man he wants serving as AG.

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.. but then all the sudden, you're in the public eye and about to get promoted into a very high-visibility office position such as a President's Cabinet...

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She testified over the summer. Long before Gaetz was nominated.


My son has a crazy theory that this is all being done to get rid of Gaetz and the Ethics complaint.

Gaetz resigns and will eventually withdraw from the nomination in return for the ethics probe staying under wraps.

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I've thought the same Gipper.

And while Gaetz is getting all of the attention and heat, President Trump can do whatever he wants with the rest of his nominations with little resistance.

If Gaetz makes it through, great.
If not, there are plenty of other great candidates, and while the Dems and their still-lapdog MSM are paying attention to the right hand, the left hand is free to do whatever they want.

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I accuse Goody Smith of being a witch

The town crier is just reporting my accusation

This is how this works

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Goody Smith is a witch?!?

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I refuse to believe one thing the Democrats or legacy media report regarding Republicans without irrefutable proof.

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You don't have to believe the sex with a minor story in order to conclude that Gaetz is a poor choice for AG. He doesn't have the legal or administrative experience (you would like for a candidate to have both, but one will do in a pinch), and he's pissed off enough members of his own party that he would be a liability for anything that requires Congressional approval.

So, why spend a bunch of political capital fighting these sleaze allegations when the guy is a poor choice to begin with?

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It's not for you to decide. It's Trump's choice and he has a mandate from a big majority of Americans. He evidently doesn't believe the allegations and thinks Gaetz is the man he wants serving as AG.

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You sound like the Democrats, always trying to stifle debate.

It's not for Trump to decide solely. The Senate will confirm the vast majority of his appointments, but this one seems doomed, and rightfully so.

Florida State Representative Chris Dorworth filed a lawsuit against Gaetz's and his friend, Joel Greenberg, for defamation. His August 2024 deposition is a fun read.

THE WITNESS: I mean, again, I take tremendous
7 exception to the idea that it was a party. You
8 know, again, there is seven of us. I count here --
9 even if you count Gaetz which I don't -- Fish said
10 he did. Mike Fischer, Gaetz, B , "AB," K
11 M , Joe Ellicott. That's -- it's not a big
12 group. It's a small group of folks.
13 I never met "AB." I do believe -- I believe I
14 met K M one time. I believe that was out
15 at a bar or something like that because Joe -- Big
16 Joe Ellicott was totally in love with K and
17 wanted to marry her, thought that he had sort of
18 found this tremendous gem via this -- I guess via
19 Seeking Arrangement or whatever it was. But he was
20 very much in love.
21 If you read some of the interrogatories or some
22 of the stuff I think we turned over from the feds,
23 some of the stuff they had there, he described her
24 as his girlfriend. He was very much in love with
25 her. If I had met her at my house at this point in
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1 time, I probably would have made a big deal out of
2 her because my friend was deeply in love with her.
3 Then about two weeks later, as I recall --
4 well, he called me up one day and asked me if I
5 could come join him at Duffy's, and I wasn't really
6 particularly close with Joe. I mean, that was sort
7 of out of the -- we had never been for food before.
8 And I said, Sure. You know, again, he was a client
9 of mine, and he worked for Joel and he was high up
10 in the tax collector's office and I really didn't
11 know what it was about.
12 I got there and Joe was in tears. It was
13 basically had a bunch of food on the table, and
14 like, you know, had to stop and lower his head. I
15 mean, it was very serious, and I asked him what was
16 wrong. And he said he found -- picked up K
17 phone and found a series of what would be very --
18 we'll call it not positive images of a woman if you
19 thought she was the love of your life and you were
20 together, finding her having group sex and being on
21 the receiving end of things that I don't think most
22 people want to see happen to a woman that they love.
23 But he was just beside himself, and he also
24 kind of acknowledged. He said like, Listen, you
25 meet somebody the way I met her, I knew that she
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1 wasn't some pristine thing, but I just didn't think
2 she would do this. Joe was -- he thought that she
3 really loved him, and he finds a video full of not
4 a -- I didn't ask the details. I wasn't like, Hey,
5 let me see the phone or anything. He didn't have
6 the phone. I think she was in the shower and he
7 picked up the phone, saw somebody text there,
8 started scrolling through the texts to see who it
9 was and saw all the videos exchanged back and forth
10 and stuff like that and he was just morose.

ETA link: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.414007/gov.uscourts.flmd.414007.183.5.pdf

If we can't discuss the things that aren't for us to decide, this is going to be a very quiet board! Lol

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I refuse to believe one thing the Democrats or legacy media report regarding Republicans without irrefutable proof.

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You don't have to believe the sex with a minor story in order to conclude that Gaetz is a poor choice for AG. He doesn't have the legal or administrative experience (you would like for a candidate to have both, but one will do in a pinch), and he's pissed off enough members of his own party that he would be a liability for anything that requires Congressional approval.

So, why spend a bunch of political capital fighting these sleaze allegations when the guy is a poor choice to begin with?

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It's not for you to decide. It's Trump's choice and he has a mandate from a big majority of Americans. He evidently doesn't believe the allegations and thinks Gaetz is the man he wants serving as AG.

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You sound like the Democrats, always trying to stifle debate.

It's not for Trump to decide solely. The Senate will confirm the vast majority of his appointments, but this one seems doomed, and rightfully so.

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I'm not trying to stifle debate. I just want facts, not Democrat driven media reports and rumors.

You questioned why he would spend the political capital on this choice. It's his political capital to spend and his choice to make, not mine or yours. He's the one that just got a mandate from the Amercian public.

He had sex with a girl who used to be 17.