This is an issue for women and I hope they get it sorted out.

The reality is that if women wanted to put a stop to this it would have been done yesterday.

So the fact that this has not happened suggests that women are ok with it.

This issue is feeds drama and has a titilating element to it which women seem to feed off of.

So it'll stop if and when they want it to stop.

In the meantime they'll just have to deal with getting ROCKED by male athletes.

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its going to take something extreme to force this issue, like a female athlete being severely injured or killed.

Or you pull a reverse UTEP and how they started an all-black starting 5 in the championship game, you need to make an all trans female team and just make it so unavoidably obvious the sexes are not physically equal.

for clarity, this is not against the rare genetic abnormality issue, but the biologically unambiguous male who wants to play female sports.

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Unfortunately, it already has happened.

From https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3505297/2

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Payton McNabb was 17 when a ball spiked by a trans opponent with force struck her in the face, threw her to the ground and shut off her consciousness.

The 5ft 11in trans player cackled in delight, Ms McNabb said, after sending her to the floor. As did other players in the opposite team.

Ms McNabb was left with brain damage and paralysis on her right side, which ended her dreams of getting a volleyball college scholarship and has made it difficult to walk without falling.

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Doctors diagnosed her with a traumatic brain injury, concussion, partial paralysis on her right side, whiplash and vision problems which she is still dealing with today, almost two years later.

Now a communications student at Western Carolina University, Ms McNabb says she continues to struggle to move the right side of her body leading her to regularly lose her balance and suffer from falls.

Her mental acuity is also damaged, with Ms McNabb requiring hours of extra tutoring every month and extra time during tests because of the damage.

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And here he is dogging Riley Gaines

So just what is your position on biological males in womens sports?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3500656/replies/68819893#68819893

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Congrats on using the search function, my opinion of her remains unchanged. She's a professional troll who stirs up 60-70somethings and the far right on facebook.

Answering your question though I think there should be a third category. Just like Soviet and eastern bloc athletes, trans women have been under the influence of too much testosterone and it presents an unfair advantage in a women's group. Likewise their hormone levels put them at a significant disadvantage against men. It's the only solution that respects all three groups of people.

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There is no third category of men & women. There are only two: normal men & women and abnormal men & women. Like a typical Orwellian leftist, you are trying to create a third "sex" in order to normalize the abnormal.

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I believe that you let the market decide. NBA, WNBA, and CWDNBA. I don't think there will be much demand for their brand of basketball, and then people will decide that they're tired of it.

As we've seen, they'll just raise the price on consumers of men's sports to subsidize the less popular one. In other words, the market will not be allowed to dictate, at least at the surface. Eventually I suppose, the market could depreciate the interest in men's support because of this.

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The fact she was denied a championship at the hands of a dude competing as a chick appears to have gone over his head.

She has a valid point. These are women's sports; men have no right to compete in them.

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Did you read the response when I was asked about trans-people in sports? Everyone seems to be overlooking that little detail.

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You mean your "separate but equal" response ?

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I know you'd rather put transwomen in the men's category but you'd be putting them at the same risk that you claim they present to others for the same sort of physical differences. This respects all three groups of people along with transmen, who rarely draw the same level of ire.

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Since that's not going to happen, and let's assume it doesn't, what then? What's your solution?

Also, you never answered the question. Instead of your childish personal insults against Riley Gaines, what has she said or done that is so horrible?

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It is going take men being affected to resolve this. For example, Wimbledon mixed doubles where one team is male/trans vs male/female.

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Yeah. Or maybe "mixed singles".

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lol

It's hilarious to read the comments of lib bots on yahoo about trans. They say things like…when I was in middle school there was a girl on the football team that kicked the guys asses…as proof that biological men should be allowed to compete against at women since women are tough enough to handle it.

Middle school…when boys hadn't even gone thru puberty. Smdh.

The trans nonsense is truly unimaginable that the radical lefties who claim to be so much more educated than the conservatives can't understand simple XX XY genetics. And why they resist simply letting trans have their own division instead of enabling them to beat up girls.

What a scheduled school should do is find nine men, call them "trans" and replace the women's team for them so that San Jose players will know what it feels like to play a man.

I would also direct the team to show no mercy.

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What a scheduled school should do is find nine men, call them "trans" and replace the women's team for them so that San Jose players will know what it feels like to play a man.

I would also direct the team to show no mercy.

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This is not the way, the 17 real women on the sjsu team have not asked for this or deserve it.

The team mates, the opponents, and everyone else demanding that fairness to women be brought back to the situation is the way. Its called moral courage and demands that those who allowed this to happen should be removed with prejudice.

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What a scheduled school should do is find nine men, call them "trans" and replace the women's team for them so that San Jose players will know what it feels like to play a man.

I would also direct the team to show no mercy.

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Was going to post the same thing. More specifically though they must all have beards.

This....would....be....amazing.

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And here he is dogging Riley Gaines

So just what is your position on biological males in womens sports?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3500656/replies/68819893#68819893

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Congrats on using the search function, my opinion of her remains unchanged. She's a professional troll who stirs up 60-70somethings and the far right on facebook.

Answering your question though I think there should be a third category. Just like Soviet and eastern bloc athletes, trans women have been under the influence of too much testosterone and it presents an unfair advantage in a women's group. Likewise their hormone levels put them at a significant disadvantage against men. It's the only solution that respects all three groups of people.

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There is no third category of men & women. There are only two: normal men & women and abnormal men & women. Like a typical Orwellian leftist, you are trying to create a third "sex" in order to normalize the abnormal.

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Nevermind that the whole reason they are doing this is because they can't compete against other men. It's like my identifying as a 10 year old and dominating the local little league teams. I can't cut it against other 42 year old men who are much bigger and stronger than I am, but I could definitely take on the 9 to 11 year olds. And I'd feel pretty good about my accomplishments too. All the other 42 year old men's parents would be supportive, and all the 10 year old kids' parents better by supportive too, or they're just maga intolerant ignorant bigots.

You honestly believe that if they had their own league of men (so basically two mens teams, but dressed differently) that they'd be ok with things being back on an even playing field? Hell no, not a chance in hell this would happen. It would be labelled as bigoted and abusive and transphobic and intolerant. Even though it's 100% truth. But since when have truth, science, and facts been relevant in the modern world...?

Fairness has no place in women's athletics, so stop trying until they do something about it. Like their body their choice, where men aren't allowed to have an opinion, this is on them to figure out. We aren't welcome in the decisions. We can talk about it, but it's clearly not our place to have a voice. Might as well sit back and watch, because sooner or later they'll wake up and see the joke they've become by not only allowing this ridiculous ****show to happen, but by openly embracing it, while turning against their own. The only winners in all of this are the men who get their kicks dominating women, and getting praise while doing it.

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American Hardwood said:

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And here he is dogging Riley Gaines

So just what is your position on biological males in womens sports?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3500656/replies/68819893#68819893

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Congrats on using the search function, my opinion of her remains unchanged. She's a professional troll who stirs up 60-70somethings and the far right on facebook.

Answering your question though I think there should be a third category. Just like Soviet and eastern bloc athletes, trans women have been under the influence of too much testosterone and it presents an unfair advantage in a women's group. Likewise their hormone levels put them at a significant disadvantage against men. It's the only solution that respects all three groups of people.

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There is no third category of men & women. There are only two: normal men & women and abnormal men & women. Like a typical Orwellian leftist, you are trying to create a third "sex" in order to normalize the abnormal.

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I believe that you let the market decide. NBA, WNBA, and CWDNBA. I don't think there will be much demand for their brand of basketball, and then people will decide that they're tired of it.

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There won't be a demand for players to even sign up for this league. That goes against the entire point of playing against women.

Which policies should only men be allowed to choose? Taxes? Immigration? I'm honestly interested in hearing your opinion on which policies women are not allowed to voice their opinion.

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Which policies should only men be allowed to choose? Taxes? Immigration? I'm honestly interested in hearing your opinion on which policies women are not allowed to voice their opinion.

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Huh? Where did I say that? I thought it was obvious I was referring to abortion, where men are told they can't have a say. Did I say something about women not being allowed to have a voice in anything? Pretty sure I said the exact opposite...

Maybe I was unclear. Maybe I need another glass of wine...?

ETA Ok, I reread it, and still not seeing anything about what you're claiming. I encourage you to reread my post as well. Or maybe read it for the first time.

Serena Williams could beat everyone here in tennis. That's the type of arguements the left puts forward.

In a decade or 2 we will look back at this period in disgust. The left will claim they were just going with the "experts" at the time, and that "no one knew" it was wrong.

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Serena Williams could beat everyone here in tennis. That's the type of arguements the left puts forward.

In a decade or 2 we will look back at this period in disgust. The left will claim they were just going with the "experts" at the time, and that "no one knew" it was wrong.

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Mercury has medicinal benefits and I drink a teaspoon every night before bed.

Now let's talk the science of blood letting and leeches. The dark ages have nothing on the 2020s when it comes to "science." Lots of experts out there.

I'm overeducated, so I know everything there is to know, and you best sit down and listen. Once the science is settled, there's no questioning it. Except for when science said that XY and XX chromosomes represented a specific phenotype that cannot be changed just because we say it is. Pesky science and its fluidity.

Maybe one day, once the genetic components of a lifeform can be modified within the sex chromosomes, we can switch genders at the physiological and anatomical levels (meaning, what you actually are, not what you might want to be), but for right now...XX means lock and XY means key. And those genetic components literally create significant changes at a fundamental level during appropriate development, resulting in massive differences when it comes to physical strength and capabilities. Sorry, not sorry. I guess I just don't have a good imagination at the end of the day. Too damned left brained for living in a make believe land in my 40s to accept a science not based on actual science.

And while I am not a biologist, I studied biomedical science and then medicine for 8 years. Not that that means anything when it matters nowadays.

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It's hilarious to read the comments of lib bots on yahoo about trans. They say things like…when I was in middle school there was a girl on the football team that kicked the guys asses…as proof that biological men should be allowed to compete against at women since women are tough enough to handle it.

Middle school…when boys hadn't even gone thru puberty. Smdh.

The trans nonsense is truly unimaginable that the radical lefties who claim to be so much more educated than the conservatives can't understand simple XX XY genetics. And why they resist simply letting trans have their own division instead of enabling them to beat up girls.

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There are schools in areas without much population that field junior high or junior varsity soccer teams with both boys and girls on the team. At that age, the differences are relatively minor and it may be that the girls are the bigger and faster for a bit.

I haven't heard of any school that fields a varsity soccer team with boys and girls on the team.

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Transvestite is the big one, which is completely different from this person and considered a slur.

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Don't care; it's a man playing dress up as a woman....transvestite, mentally ill, psychopath, all fit the description.

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You forgot the most important one.
Democrat.

They should absolutely have a 3rd category in sports, for all the mentally disturbed folks, and the democrats (including the sanctimonious ones in this thread) can sit in a circle, and watch , and leave the rest of the world in ****ing alone..

You miserable folks had to **** up sports too???

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Serena Williams could beat everyone here in tennis. That's the type of arguements the left puts forward.

In a decade or 2 we will look back at this period in disgust. The left will claim they were just going with the "experts" at the time, and that "no one knew" it was wrong.

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There will also, eventually, be a generation of blacks who will realize that white liberal women and their **** husbands wiped out entire generations of blacks in the name of "womens rights"

The democrats will claim the parties "switched" sides, and blame republicans.

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Serena Williams could beat everyone here in tennis. That's the type of arguements the left puts forward.

In a decade or 2 we will look back at this period in disgust. The left will claim they were just going with the "experts" at the time, and that "no one knew" it was wrong.

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Mercury has medicinal benefits and I drink a teaspoon every night before bed.

Now let's talk the science of blood letting and leeches. The dark ages have nothing on the 2020s when it comes to "science." Lots of experts out there.

I'm overeducated, so I know everything there is to know, and you best sit down and listen. Once the science is settled, there's no questioning it. Except for when science said that XY and XX chromosomes represented a specific phenotype that cannot be changed just because we say it is. Pesky science and its fluidity.

Maybe one day, once the genetic components of a lifeform can be modified within the sex chromosomes, we can switch genders at the physiological and anatomical levels (meaning, what you actually are, not what you might want to be), but for right now...XX means lock and XY means key. And those genetic components literally create significant changes at a fundamental level during appropriate development, resulting in massive differences when it comes to physical strength and capabilities. Sorry, not sorry. I guess I just don't have a good imagination at the end of the day. Too damned left brained for living in a make believe land in my 40s to accept a science not based on actual science.

And while I am not a biologist, I studied biomedical science and then medicine for 8 years. Not that that means anything when it matters nowadays.

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Its probably worth it's own discussion in another thread but what's never really discussed is the ethical aspect of all this. It's common in syfy that in some distant future we are able to change sexes or meet aliens capable of doing so. Sometimes I think this is used to push a certain agenda (Le Guin comes to mind), but there's no discussion of how we get from point A to point Z. Right now we have "doctors" giving people hormones or removing body parts without much consideration for long-term effects. That would only get worse with figuring out how to change DNA in functioning humans just because they want to.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/sdsu-sjsu-attracts-womens-rights-protestors-aztecs-staff-asks

7 forfeits and counting

Hopefully this gathers steam and more female athletes stand up to this

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An upcoming opponent needs to swap in their entire men's volleyball team (D1 or club) for the women's team for that game.

And hit every ball at the kid. A few strays in warmups directed at the coach too.

Bet that would stop.

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When I was younger I played a lot. I have seen National Teams and current pro/Olympic players in person, and I have even been on the same court with a female Olympic medalist. She was in incredible shape, highly talented, highly skilled, highly efficient in her technique, and disciplined in strategic positioning.

...she also was merely an average player among men age 25-45 who play the game for fun on weekends and learned their skills from other weekend warriors and some Internet videos. I can't speak to every sport out there, but in volleyball there are some varsity high school boys teams in the midwest and the west coast who would utterly wreck a team of the best female players in the nation.

It's not even close. Most co-ed adult leagues even have gender rules, like requiring that a female player be one of the three touches on a ball before it's returned over the net. That rule exists because otherwise co-ed teams wouldn't exist -- every co-ed team in the country would become 5 males, and 1 token female who would then step back off the court out of the way during every play so the men could win the game.

Liberals cry about this being a "non-issue". If that's the case, why don't they just denounce it and end it?

That's the issue. They are the party that can't simply acknowledge XY shouldn't play against XX, that its wrong. That's just as big a deal as women's sports getting undermined.

Imagine if the GOP refused to acknowledge racism was wrong. The left would go nuts!

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An upcoming opponent needs to swap in their entire men's volleyball team (D1 or club) for the women's team for that game.

And hit every ball at the kid. A few strays in warmups directed at the coach too.

Bet that would stop.

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When I was younger I played a lot. I have seen National Teams and current pro/Olympic players in person, and I have even been on the same court with a female Olympic medalist. She was in incredible shape, highly talented, highly skilled, highly efficient in her technique, and disciplined in strategic positioning.

...she also was merely an average player among men age 25-45 who play the game for fun on weekends and learned their skills from other weekend warriors and some Internet videos. I can't speak to every sport out there, but in volleyball there are some varsity high school boys teams in the midwest and the west coast who would utterly wreck a team of the best female players in the nation.

It's not even close. Most co-ed adult leagues even have gender rules, like requiring that a female player be one of the three touches on a ball before it's returned over the net. That rule exists because otherwise co-ed teams wouldn't exist -- every co-ed team in the country would become 5 males, and 1 token female who would then step back off the court out of the way during every play so the men could win the game.

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Man I went through college as a friend and summer beach volleyball teammate of Stacy Sykora. She's amazing. She'd break it off in this poser.


But still. Only way to destroy the woke trans mind is a team of men to spike every ball at this clowns face. And his coach and the mountain west commish's face.

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100% of them are severely mentally ill and should be treated as such.

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Fact!

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FTAG 2000 said:

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An upcoming opponent needs to swap in their entire men's volleyball team (D1 or club) for the women's team for that game.

And hit every ball at the kid. A few strays in warmups directed at the coach too.

Bet that would stop.

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When I was younger I played a lot. I have seen National Teams and current pro/Olympic players in person, and I have even been on the same court with a female Olympic medalist. She was in incredible shape, highly talented, highly skilled, highly efficient in her technique, and disciplined in strategic positioning.

...she also was merely an average player among men age 25-45 who play the game for fun on weekends and learned their skills from other weekend warriors and some Internet videos. I can't speak to every sport out there, but in volleyball there are some varsity high school boys teams in the midwest and the west coast who would utterly wreck a team of the best female players in the nation.

It's not even close. Most co-ed adult leagues even have gender rules, like requiring that a female player be one of the three touches on a ball before it's returned over the net. That rule exists because otherwise co-ed teams wouldn't exist -- every co-ed team in the country would become 5 males, and 1 token female who would then step back off the court out of the way during every play so the men could win the game.

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Man I went through college as a friend and summer beach volleyball teammate of Stacy Sykora. She's amazing. She'd break it off in this poser.


But still. Only way to destroy the woke trans mind is a team of men to spike every ball at this clowns face. And his coach and the mountain west commish's face.

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Sykora was world-class at defense. One of my favorite players who grew up during the the SOS era when you still had to have all-around skill. And one of the most genuine personalities in a sport where many NT teammates and competitors could be a bit prima donna.

Defense and setting are the only two areas women with strong fundamentals and excellent technical control could still be decent in a co-ed setting. Which, again, was more important in the SOS era when you couldn't afford to stack your team with explosive attackers/blockers who had poor ball-control. After the advent of Rally, the sport changed, and building a successful team became all about specialists. I like both formats for different reasons.

But the change to Rally further widens the gap between male and female abilities. Serving, attacking, blocking... Plenty of teams of 30something weekend warrior dudes who would steamroll past gold-medal women's NTs in a tournament. Obviously the NT as a unit has better discipline and efficiency for things like kps/kpa/bps. They would make far fewer errors than the dudes and could keep plays alive for a while, but their pps would plummet as the match drags on. The dudes would overwhelm them both with ace jump-serves and complete dominance at the net. There is no equal comparison between men and women for metrics like block touch, attack jump touch, attack angle, velocity, net penetration, etc. And because of the relatively smaller muscle mass/density, taller women only rarely have the speed and flexibility to react fast enough to match the velocity of male attacks. (Definitely something Sykora excelled at above every other female American during her NT time (except maybe Logan) -- Stacy had BOTH the extraordinary reflexes to lay it all out for a saving dive when the blockers got beaten AND the court vision to anticipate exactly where she needed to be in every moment.) So yeah, the exceptional tall players like Gamova could dominate other women on attacking/blocking, but in a mixed environment you'd have to set up your entire rotation to hide her on every S-R or defensive play because men would target her, knowing she can't get all 6'8" under the ball fast enough and still recover fast enough to make a high-efficiency attack approach. Men's volleyball is a blocker's game and a server's game. Jump-serve power and standing (or swing-block) jump-touch for men is a whole level or two beyond women. Average men can smother the best team of women at the net.