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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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Kamala appreciates your support in the upcoming election comrade!

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Another brainwashed person who will live in a slum but fight for the rights of those gaming the system to get rich unethically.

Don't worry. You too will get rich like Musk just like Madagascar above.

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In my company, it might take a little longer.

I have a coworker who day traded every day the year before COVID. I watched him. We were in a remote office with no onsite manager.

Once COVID hit, we all go home and this guy had literally zero production for the entire year. I watched in amazement.

He did finally engage again but nowhere near even average level of production.

Now, before he went into quiet quitting mode, he was a top performer. Perhaps that plays into it.

I will strongly consider doing what he did before I retire.

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Well he probably got sick and tired of his 1% raise with zero bonus when the CEO got a 50% bonus when the stock price fell 50%.

This is today's corporate America.

Lots of brainwashed people here on this board who cannot see the reality and keep fighting for some ideals from the 1950s that are no longer happening anymore.

The coworker likely saw undeserving people getting rich so felt that he will also scam the company in return. He makes money through trading because he is smart, and has the company pay for his insurance. He is now okay with 1% raise and no bonus because he makes millions in the stock market. I know because I do the same.

P.H. Dexippus said:

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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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I had no idea Bernie Sanders posted on this site. Welcome!

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Good, all the billionaire undie sniffers are coming out into the open.

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Given that you undermined remote work at a former employer, it is hard for me to feel sorry for you.

Companies have been offshoring work for years, with many now moving up the value stream and having non-co-located teams who are half way around the world from each other work very effectively together.

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Never asked you to feel sorry - and your characterization that I 'undermined' remote work at my former employer is simply wrong. I kept employees from leaving the metro area - knowing they would eventually have to come back. Frankly, I saved many of their jobs ultimately.

What Amazon is doing here isn't unusual - but the reasoning is disingenuous. Again - the company can do what it wants, but the reason they are giving is simply a lie.

It's actually worse than I have described. Not only must you find a facility to swipe into, you have to beg the managers of that facility to allow you to work there. Otherwise, you have to go find another one to work at - and we were given 7 days to figure that out. I frankly don't care - don't need to work - but the young lawyers and labor professionals working for me (all but one of whom were hired into 'virtual' roles) have to figure out somewhere to go - and like me, they are basically on the road 3 of every 4 weeks as it is.

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I'd be pissed if I hired into a REMOTE job that they later changed into an OFFICE job. Regardless of where the office is.

Hell, part of the reason many of those folks took the job was BECAUSE it was remote.

It's no different than when a company moves their HQ or their entire operation from one city to another.

But, in the latter situation, the company typically offers some kind of deal to move or a severance package to leave.

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Walmart folks had to deal with this in 2024. I was working with a recruiter for a tech job at WMT. The women just stopped replying as my interviews were on. Then I found out she quit because they made her move from her town to a hub office. I then got an offer with another team and the recruiter in Dallas quit too because they asked her to move.

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There seems to be a push by companies to turn back the clock, not just pre-pandemic but to the 1990s. Not just 100% in the office, but things like paying your 401k match in company stock.

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The same companies were all over offshoring jobs to India and Philippines because they made money. They did not care about everyone working in the same office. But now, they do, what happened to the logic that people could work in a team without needing to be in the same city?

Corporations are hypocrites. Nothing can be done about that other than laws but even those are not 100%.
What is shocking is when idiots pay the price for corporate actions but still fight for the rights of the same corps.

It is like a raped woman demanding that her rapist not be put behind bars.

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torrid said:

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There seems to be a push by companies to turn back the clock, not just pre-pandemic but to the 1990s. Not just 100% in the office, but things like paying your 401k match in company stock.

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The same companies were all over offshoring jobs to India and Philippines because they made money. They did not care about everyone working in the same office. But now, they do, what happened to the logic that people could work in a team without needing to be in the same city?

Corporations are hypocrites. Nothing can be done about that other than laws but even those are not 100%.
What is shocking is when idiots pay the price for corporate actions but still fight for the rights of the same corps.

It is like a raped woman demanding that her rapist not be put behind bars.

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If corporations are held accountable, they might have to do more of the ****ty things they already do.

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During COVID I struggled to reach people at times during work hours. We urged flexibility, but if it's working hours and I call or text you better pick up unless you are on with a client or the ****ter. Companies did a horrible job setting expectations. And people did take advantage of it.

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I actually think it is worse now, at least from my viewpoint. The meeting hell from COVID somehow carried over, so now most people are in the office and having to constantly meet b/c that's what we got used to doing while we were all trying to "slow the spread".

infinity ag said:

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Good, all the billionaire undie sniffers are coming out into the open.

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The only undies being sniffed on this thread belong to this guy.


Gross.

infinity ag said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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infinity ag said:

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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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I had no idea Bernie Sanders posted on this site. Welcome!

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Good, all the billionaire undie sniffers are coming out into the open.

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You realize the success of the market that you've so enthusiastically shared with us your financial success in is predicated on the success of many of these companies...probably most of these companies.

On one hand, I agree with you that the economy is certainly shifting away from providing upward mobility for huge swaths of workers.

On the other hand, you invest in it and personally benefit from it.

Yes, I know, "what other option do I have?" You don't, truthfully. I think investing in these companies is the right move. You invest in the market you have, not the one that you want to be. All that being said, it's just not as simple as evil corporations must pay. There are down stream impacts of the accountability that some would like to see be applied immediately to these corporations that we can't even imagine. They can be bad actors, absolutely.

Even just the start of what you want to be regulated is misleading..."You can't just hire a bunch of people..." You state it like it's taking cans of soup off the grocery store shelf and putting them in your cart. The cans of soup, in this case, had a choice of whether to get in the cart or not.

If you have spent a decent amount of time at a large co, you know there are a ton of freeloaders or people accomplishing completely pointless stuff.

infinity ag said:

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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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This has to be sarcasm. Nobody can believe this.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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Kamala appreciates your support in the upcoming election comrade!

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Another brainwashed person who will live in a slum but fight for the rights of those gaming the system to get rich unethically.

Don't worry. You too will get rich like Musk just like Madagascar above.

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Oh, I have no illusions of being the next Elon, lol.

But I sure as heck don't live in a slum, and not because the government regulated who corporations could hire and fire. But precisely because the government doesn't do that. I continue to make my way up the ladder because my company has the ability to 1) promote the hardworkers who produce and 2) fire the lazy schmucks who decided to "work" from home and now whine about only getting a 3% annual raise even though their productivity and margins have gone in the crapper.

Lol, horrified at private corporations for "getting rich unethically" and then crying for the GOVERNMENT to solve the problem...man, do you need your eyes opened.

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infinity ag said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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infinity ag said:

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Companies have gone rogue. The rich owners have found a way to get obscenely rich while keeping wages in this country down by off shoring to other countries. When things go bad, they demand bail-outs of our money.

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

The Government needs to step in and add regulation on how these companies hire and fire. You cannot hire a bunch of people, then fire them (unless they did something wrong) and give the reason that they over-hired earlier. Lives and families are at stake. The Govt exists for the people, not the corporations.

Now I am all for people succeeding when they work hard, but what exists in America right now isn't that. It is white collar slavery.

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I had no idea Bernie Sanders posted on this site. Welcome!

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Good, all the billionaire undie sniffers are coming out into the open.

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You realize the success of the market that you've so enthusiastically shared with us your financial success in is predicated on the success of many of these companies...probably most of these companies.

On one hand, I agree with you that the economy is certainly shifting away from providing upward mobility for huge swaths of workers.

On the other hand, you invest in it and personally benefit from it.

Yes, I know, "what other option do I have?" You don't, truthfully. I think investing in these companies is the right move. You invest in the market you have, not the one that you want to be. All that being said, it's just not as simple as evil corporations must pay. There are down stream impacts of the accountability that some would like to see be applied immediately to these corporations that we can't even imagine. They can be bad actors, absolutely.

Even just the start of what you want to be regulated is misleading..."You can't just hire a bunch of people..." You state it like it's taking cans of soup off the grocery store shelf and putting them in your cart. The cans of soup, in this case, had a choice of whether to get in the cart or not.

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I haven't read the entire thread but you are saying he's made a lot of money investing in these companies?

It's easier to blame a system for their failure as opposed to looking in the mirror. Jealousy and envy can be the downfall of a human.

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you need people to be able to meet in order to actually solve problems

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This simply isn't true in my experience

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Some jobs work great remote. Some don't. In my experience, there needs to be at least a few days a week of meeting face to face to solve problems.

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I've been about 95% remote almost 7 years. Meeting with people us nice from time to time but we can and have solved complicated problems with teams of mostly remote people. Plus we can recruit the best people without making them move or limiting ourselves to one metro area.

We meet face to face one day a week. This works for my team. Rest is virtual.

backintexas2013 said:

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We meet face to face one day a week. This works for my team. Rest is virtual.

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Howdy stranger! I have updates for you!!!!

What's up. I got the perm. Finally got reinstated.

Congrats on all that except living in Bryan.

125lbs is awesome

Thanks!

Glad that you're back here!!!

backintexas2013 said:

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What's up. I got the perm. Finally got reinstated.

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Ahhh, I wondered what happened to you. How does one get reinstated from a perm? LoL.

I've been reinstated from a perm. Be courteous, be respectful in dialogue with staff, be patient, don't sock up and continue problem behavior while waiting.

You have to know who the protected posters are and avoid them. Also can't call out obvious socks.