Will Donald Trump Blow Another Election? - WSJ Editorial Board

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JohnnyAlamo said:

Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.

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If people are actually dumb enough to vote for Harris, I say go for it.

I am insulated from the fallout in the short term and have enjoyed laughing at the idiots that voted for this as inflation and unemployment spreads like wildfire amongst them.

What will they do then? Continue to vote dem while working their 3 part time jobs to afford their $20 fast food burger?

LoL. In short, let them eat cake.
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SA68AG said:

Without getting a a big part of the "Concerned Moderate" vote Trump will lose.

Some of you may want to think about that and quit making derogatory remarks about a segment of the electorate
that we, as Republicans, will need to keep Harris out off office.


Concerned Moderate is not a real group of people. It is Dems trying to pose as "moderates" or even "lifelong Republicans".

HTH
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Agreed 100%. I think it'll be a very close election once again.

Truly shows the power of a fully corrupted media. Somehow after the last 4 years of constant embarrassment and failures by the Biden/Harris administration, the fact they are still even with the opposing party is mind boggling. If roles were reversed and Trump had the record of Biden's last 4 years, the dems would be ahead by 15-20%.

Inflation, Afghanistan and the border alone would be enough for it to almost be pointless running a candidate this election cycle at all.
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Without getting a a big part of the "Concerned Moderate" vote Trump will lose.

Some of you may want to think about that and quit making derogatory remarks about a segment of the electorate
that we, as Republicans, will need to keep Harris out off office.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm convinced 'concerned moderate' is code for 'never-trumper'.

No matter what the actual evidence is, they tend to latch onto false headlines because it's what they want to believe (as evidenced by this thread).

I keep saying this, but I dont even like Trump. But based on policy alone, I'd vote for him 11 times out of 10 over Harris/Walz. How is that even a question for anyone who even remotely supports any tenant of conservatism?
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Keep telling yourself that. It's done wonders for Donald.
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Tom Fox said:

If people are actually dumb enough to vote for Harris, I say go for it.

I am insulated from the fallout in the short term and have enjoyed laughing at the idiots that voted for this as inflation and unemployment spreads like wildfire amongst them.

What will they do then? Continue to vote dem while working their 3 part time jobs to afford their $20 fast food burger?

LoL. In short, let them eat cake.
Yep. If the population is stupid enough to vote Harris into POTUS, then this country deserves everything it gets. I, too, have worked to insulate me and my family as much as possible, as the writing on the wall for the country has been pretty apparent for several years.
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JohnnyAlamo said:

Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.


so because liberal judges wouldn't condemn the very people they are protecting it didn't happen. got it. who knew that bad guys who constantly **** on the constitution, are totally in bed with the liberally left haven't found any evidence.

i know i know they would never stoop to those levels they wouldn't turn the law again an opponent, they don't release criminals in liberal cities after violent crimes without bail they wouldn't dare cover up any of these shenanigans.



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rathAG05 said:

He was always a terrible candidate.


Why?
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

JohnnyAlamo said:

Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.


so because liberal judges wouldn't condemn the very people they are protecting it didn't happen. got it. who knew that bad guys who constantly **** on the constitution, are totally in bed with the liberally left haven't found any evidence.

i know i know they would never stoop to those levels they wouldn't turn the law again an opponent, they don't release criminals in liberal cities after violent crimes without bail they wouldn't dare cover up any of these shenanigans.
Hard to "find" any wrongdoing when every case is refused to be heard for "standing".
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Read the article. Barely beat Hillary, lost to Biden, the majority of people he pushes for office are terrible candidates and lose, and he will now probably lose to Kamala. With any other conservative at the head of the ticket, this election would be over. That tells you that he is a terrible candidate.
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So Kamala is the better choice to navigate geopolitical instability (wW3) and the economy?
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Or it tells you the election was rigged.
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Trump's hubris, combined with a general Republican weakness to call him out put the party at a terrible disadvantage similar to what the Democrats faced with Joe Biden. Give it to the Dem party elites: they knew when to show him the exit.
The fact that a weak democrat candidate is up on him in the polls shows how bad a candidate he is.
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When the polls are close, it's a lot easier to convince the lemmings that mail in ballots were 1 million to zero in favor of Kamala
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Absolutely not. Thats not what I said. I hope the man wins.
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deddog said:

When the polls are close, it's a lot easier to convince the lemmings that mail in ballots were 1 million to zero in favor of Kamala
This.
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deddog said:

When the polls are close, it's a lot easier to convince the lemmings that mail in ballots were 1 million to zero in favor of Kamala


Addressing future MIB should have been the top priority of the GOP 4 years ago. It wasn't.
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UTExan said:

Trump's hubris, combined with a general Republican weakness to call him out put the party at a terrible disadvantage similar to what the Democrats faced with Joe Biden. Give it to the Dem party elites: they knew when to show him the exit.
The fact that a weak democrat candidate is up on him in the polls shows how bad a candidate he is.


Good. Then let the country live through Kamala. Just like California. Except this time you will have nowhere to hide and can't escape to a red state. If you can't see the Dem ticket for what it is… a bunch of ****ing commies, then you deserve what's coming.

DeSantis was my first choice but these polls would be exactly the same if he was running.
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rathAG05 said:

Read the article. Barely beat Hillary, lost to Biden, the majority of people he pushes for office are terrible candidates and lose, and he will now probably lose to Kamala. With any other conservative at the head of the ticket, this election would be over. That tells you that he is a terrible candidate.
He has been a horrible candidate from the day he came down that escalator.

But he was a DAMN GOOD president!!
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Whether Trump is a good candidate or not is uninteresting. The interesting question is why would anyone vote for Kamala, much less half of Americans?

Insert Ryan Reynolds but why gif.
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CoppellAg93 said:

rathAG05 said:

Read the article. Barely beat Hillary, lost to Biden, the majority of people he pushes for office are terrible candidates and lose, and he will now probably lose to Kamala. With any other conservative at the head of the ticket, this election would be over. That tells you that he is a terrible candidate.
He has been a horrible candidate from the day he came down that escalator.

But he was a DAMN GOOD president!!


Agreed.
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Artorias said:

GAC06 said:

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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
While Trump obviously makes it easier for them in many ways, the media would paint any R candidate as the next Hitler and evil incarnate, appealing to the "feels" of easily brainwashed LIV.
Maybe. But Trump makes it damn easy. He wears his ego on his sleeve. He calls people names. He uses superlatives that insult the intelligence of anyone with half a brain. He is not likeable. He hasn't been for 40 years.

With Biden out of the picture, this election is back to being a referendum trump, and the polls reflect what we already knew.

Trump lost the last election which was a referendum on his presidency and this one is no different.

If your opponent only has to hide because their best campaign is letting the other guy speak, you should be strongly reevaluating your own candidate.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

deddog said:

When the polls are close, it's a lot easier to convince the lemmings that mail in ballots were 1 million to zero in favor of Kamala


Addressing future MIB should have been the top priority of the GOP 4 years ago. It wasn't.


How could it be? They don't have a supermajority in the federal government, and they don't have a trifecta in the purple states. The only place they did was in GA and they passed sweeping reforms.

If by "addressing" it you meant build up a substantial vote harvesting system then maybe you have an argument.
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He didn't blow the first one.

it was stolen

HTH
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For years now, this has been about the leftist media and propagandists narrative and caricature of Trump Vs the reality of Trump. They've been very successful in relentlessly reinforcing the exaggerations and outright falsehoods about him.

Trump makes the error at times of seeming to confirm it.
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rgag12 said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

deddog said:

When the polls are close, it's a lot easier to convince the lemmings that mail in ballots were 1 million to zero in favor of Kamala


Addressing future MIB should have been the top priority of the GOP 4 years ago. It wasn't.


How could it be? They don't have a supermajority in the federal government, and they don't have a trifecta in the purple states. The only place they did was in GA and they passed sweeping reforms.

If by "addressing" it you meant build up a substantial vote harvesting system then maybe you have an argument.


Either way. You either change the rules, or you adapt your system to play by the current ones. Don't keep tying your hands behind your back and then complain that you are losing.

Saban whined about the HUNH offense being unfair. It didn't change that we kicked his ass with it in our first year. He then got the rules changed and incorporated his hurry up style just within a few years.

He didn't spend 4 years whining that A&M beat him by cheating and then tried to get the win switched over to him.

Regardless, if the GOP is actually saying there is no way we can win because the rules are unfair, then you might as well just vote third party. They are done as an organization until the leadership changes and can figure out solutions to the problems they are facing.
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GAC06 said:

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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
The problem is, the anti-Trumpers don't realize that basically every Republican nominee is going to have a ceiling of support of around 50% because the 90% of the media has never been more openly campaigning for the Dems than they have been since the 2000 election. This is way bigger than Donald Trump...but some are so blinded with Trump hatred that they don't see it.

Trump's personality accounts for some additional hate, sure, but I would venture that we'll be looking at basically the same uphill battle against the Dems, media, and pop culture in 2028 with someone like DeSantis or Youngkin. Even Mitt Romney, the most bland and 'safest' nominee you could find was demonized as hating women and children when he ran in 2012. He was made out to be cold and evil as well.

This isn't a problem that's going away with Trump.
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Trump needs to keep hammering the economy and let someone else worry about hammering Kamala.
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MouthBQ98 said:

For years now, this has been about the leftist media and propagandists narrative and caricature of Trump Vs the reality of Trump. They've been very successful in relentlessly reinforcing the exaggerations and outright falsehoods about him.

Trump makes the error at times of seeming to confirm it.
This is where his mouth gets him in trouble. We know the media will attack him. If he gave them nothing and just stayed on message and policy points, they'd have to cover that. Now? They can ignore his legit arguments against Harris/Walz on policy and focus on his comments about their race or other petty things. This has givein the impression to many that he's not talking about the clear policy advantages he has. It just doesn't get media coverage.

Its unfair because the left can say any sort of vile thing about Trump and the media will promote it as gospel whereas if Trump veers of course he loses voters because of the media characterization. But that's where we are.

Unfortunately, I don't think Trump is going to change.
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Republicans will 'blow' elections for as long as marxists cheat and they own 90% of the media

HTH
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Gigem314 said:

GAC06 said:

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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
The problem is, the anti-Trumpers don't realize that basically every Republican nominee is going to have a ceiling of support of around 50% because the 90% of the media has never been more openly campaigning for the Dems than they have been since the 2000 election. This is way bigger than Donald Trump...but some are so blinded with Trump hatred that they don't see it.

Trump's personality accounts for some additional hate, sure, but I would venture that we'll be looking at basically the same uphill battle against the Dems, media, and pop culture in 2028 with someone like DeSantis or Youngkin. Even Mitt Romney, the most bland and 'safest' nominee you could find was demonized as hating women and children when he ran in 2012. He was made out to be cold and evil as well.

This isn't a problem that's going away with Trump.
Elections are a game of inches. Even 1% matters.
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4stringAg said:

If he gave them nothing and just stayed on message and policy points, they'd have to cover that.
I agree that Trump's personality by nature gives his enemies more ammo...but some of you need to realize that even if he said nothing, the media would still find a narrative or past statement/association to make him look evil. They did it with Romney, who provided no more than a 'binder' or family trip with the dog or saying that people who don't pay taxes won't vote for him.

The media is never going to lay off the Republican nominee. They will always find something. Every time. The key is making sure you have a nominee who fights back and can hammer away at the issues. That doesn't mean we need another Trump, but simply finding someone who isn't controversial is a fool's errand. The media will always make the Republican look controversial no matter how clean they are.
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"The media" is the new "it was stolen". It's never Trump's fault, just as he's trained his defeatist MAGA followers to react.
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TexAgs91 said:

Republicans will 'blow' elections for as long as marxists cheat and they own 90% of the media

HTH

This is the correct response.
 
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