It's not as though we weren't aware of these things. And the WSJ concerns are precisely the concerns many non MAGA republicans have. The race is DJTS to win or lose. Will he step up to the occasion? If the press pulls this guarding of Kamala through election day off, it is likely a republican will never win again.dmart90 said:
Opinion piece in the WSJ - while they don't endorse candidates they are generally positive/supportive of Trump. But they are concerned he's about to lose again...
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-2024-election-kamala-harris-jd-vance-tim-walz-cd3d557a?mod=trending_now_opn_1
A few quotes since this may be behind a pay wall...The last line I bolded is the most important. Trump has a ceiling of support because he is so disliked. Everything he does that turns off the "concerned moderates" just gives Harris, God help us, a better chance at the presidency.Quote:
The economic and security fundamentals are teed up for a Republican victory. Voters and especially the working class are unhappy with the economy, as average real incomes have declined across the Biden Presidency. The chaos at the border has spread to cities around the country.
The Administration's insistence on imposing progressive cultural policies by diktat has produced resentment and a strong counter-reaction. Wars are raging in Europe and the Middle East, and China menaces in the Western Pacific. All of this has voters unhappy about the state of the country and looking for change.
Yet with three months to go before Election Day, Kamala Harris and the Democrats have erased the lead Mr. Trump had over President Biden. She's now leading in the national polls, and tied or narrowly behind in the crucial swing states. The same press that covered for Mr. Biden's infirmities until it was no longer possible has swung in behind her. She may not do another interview, much less get a tough question, through November.
One reason for the surge for Ms. Harris is Democrats coming home in relief from their depression about Mr. Biden. But at age 59 she also presents a youthful contrast to 78-year-old Mr. Trump, who has now been on the presidential stage for nearly a decade. She's trying to steal the "change" mantle with her focus on the future, and she'll succeed if Republicans can't wrap her in the Biden record and her progressive San Francisco views.
The Trump campaign knows this, but the problem is the candidate. Mr. Trump has his passionate followers who don't want to hear a discouraging word. Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him. And now that he is in the news every day campaigning, he is reminding those voters why they didn't vote to re-elect him in 2020.
Ms. Harris in particular seems to have unnerved him as he scrambles but fails to find an attack line that works. He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
They do call out the press for giving Harris a pass, which is very fair.
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Probably, but would that have made a difference against the aggressive media campaign against Republican candidates while protecting the image of the Democrat candidate...and all the questionable election handling that goes on in the key states?96AgGrad said:
Trump is a better candidate than Kamala, but probably not good enough to overcome the media bias and the cheating. I still think DeSantis would have been better because he can actually delineate a better path forward, instead of the name calling contest we have now.
I don't think the challenge will be much different in 2028 if you have DeSantis or Youngkin as the nominee.
Not sure what else the WSJ editorial said, but I will say this for the hundredth time and it's strange that WSJ editorial would waste time and energy without couching this topic in its proper terms.
It does not matter what the entire country thinks of Trump. It only matters what people think in about 30 states. The 25 he won in 2016 and 2020 and the five he won in 2016 and lost in 2020 and now Nevada.
They always seem to bring this up with Trump but I cannot recall the media ever talking about this subject about Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton never won more than 49% of the vote. Clinton won several states by less than 50% of the vote in that state.
The 49% ceiling always seems to be a problem in the minds of the media when talking about Trump. It never seemed to be a problem in the minds of the media when talking about Clinton.
This it but one of hundreds of double standards that democrats and center right commenters apply to Trump on a regular basis.
The elites continue to show their asses when it comes to Trump. The first outsider president in American history continues to give them all fits.
It does not matter what the entire country thinks of Trump. It only matters what people think in about 30 states. The 25 he won in 2016 and 2020 and the five he won in 2016 and lost in 2020 and now Nevada.
They always seem to bring this up with Trump but I cannot recall the media ever talking about this subject about Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton never won more than 49% of the vote. Clinton won several states by less than 50% of the vote in that state.
The 49% ceiling always seems to be a problem in the minds of the media when talking about Trump. It never seemed to be a problem in the minds of the media when talking about Clinton.
This it but one of hundreds of double standards that democrats and center right commenters apply to Trump on a regular basis.
The elites continue to show their asses when it comes to Trump. The first outsider president in American history continues to give them all fits.
Never understimate the ability of the GOP to **** up...
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
Not an ardent follower, but I will blame it on the marxists having won a decades long hard fought battle, without hardly anyone knowing it, resulting in our society's stupidity reaching far beyond critical mass.Rapier108 said:
Most likely he will, but of course his ardent followers will blame it solely on fraud, rather than the fact he is a crappy candidate with sky high negatives.
I was a Desantis guy, but not sure he could beat this machine. Even the more "reasonable" liberals I know from growing up were comparing him to "book banning Hitler" because he wanted to remove literal gay cartoon books from school libraries in Florida. They HATE him.
Truth be told, I think our country is f***ed no matter what happens. Too many stupid people...and we are letting in MILLIONS more poor illiterate people.
How many votes did he get in 2016 and 2020? You think only "radicals" were voting for him? I don't know a single "radical" and almost everyone I know voted for him, even if they held their nose doing so.zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
You joined the Politics board today? Liar. Troll.
zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
Didn't get the 2nd most votes EVER?
rathAG05 said:
He was always a terrible candidate.
Always? He won in 2016. Apparently he wasn't always a terrible candidate.
HE WON.
El Gallo Blanco said:How many votes did he get in 2016 and 2020? You think only "radicals" were voting for him? I don't know a single "radical" and almost everyone I know voted for him, even if they held their nose doing so.zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
He lost the popular vote both times, and only won the first time because of the electoral college. In reality, he's not that popular. He lost the popular vote against the most hated politician in recent memory and then someone who clearly had dementia. If that's not telling, I don't know what is.
aginlakeway said:zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
Didn't get the 2nd most votes EVER?
Hasn't the population continued to increase every 4 years in the US EVER?
Yes more dummies in New York and California voted for gcf and Biden this is some type of flex ?
It is telling that America is f***ing ret@rded.zb008 said:El Gallo Blanco said:How many votes did he get in 2016 and 2020? You think only "radicals" were voting for him? I don't know a single "radical" and almost everyone I know voted for him, even if they held their nose doing so.zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
He lost the popular vote both times, and won only the first time because of the electoral college. In reality, he's not that popular. He lost the popular vote against the most hated politician in recent memory and then someone who clearly had dementia. If that's not telling, I don't know what is.
Heritage Foundation? "I disagree with some of the things they're saying, and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal." /TrumpAgGrad99 said:evidence?JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
1,546 proven incidents of recent voter fraud, many of which were from the 2020 election. Many convictions of mail-in ballot harvesting.
It is not just unproved theories and rumors. That is what the headlines repeat incessantly, but is not true. The only way to act like it didnt happen, is to choose to ignore it.
With that said, I assume you'll vote for Trump now that you've seen the evidence?
He can't help himself. He'd rather throw thousands of conservatives under the bus for political expediency than articulate a consistent, principled view.
Bunk Moreland said:aginlakeway said:zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
Didn't get the 2nd most votes EVER?
Hasn't the population continued to increase every 4 years in the US EVER?
Yes. But to say Trump was never a popular candidate is factually inaccurate.
AgGrad99 said:evidence?JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
1,546 proven incidents of recent voter fraud, many of which were from the 2020 election. Many convictions of mail-in ballot harvesting.
It is not just unproved theories and rumors. That is what the headlines repeat incessantly, but is not true. The only way to act like it didnt happen, is to choose to ignore it.
With that said, I assume you'll vote for Trump now that you've seen the evidence?
This is a great report to help people understand the issue.
First, I am all for making the ballot box as secure as possible.
Second, go look at the details in the link and you will see a number of those convicted were Republicans. I am not saying it is a majority but this idea that only Dems cheat is where a lot of us that can't stand either party lose the narrative.
Just like the comment that there are millions of dead people voting that is frequently made here. First, prove they voted Dem and second, this is an easy one to prove because death rolls and voter rolls are in the public record. For most dead people that vote, it is a family member that does it because "this is what Mom or Dad wanted".
We have two bad candidates in this election. I think Harris is worse than Trump but neither one or their respective parties will take the tough actions required to fix the looming debt crisis or the issues with the nanny state that this country has become.
So those who are saying Trump has no chance ...
How about giving me odds on the election then? Since Trump has no chance, easy profit for you, right? You're 100% sure to win.
How about giving me odds on the election then? Since Trump has no chance, easy profit for you, right? You're 100% sure to win.
dmart90 said:
Opinion piece in the WSJ - while they don't endorse candidates they are generally positive/supportive of Trump. But they are concerned he's about to lose again...
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-2024-election-kamala-harris-jd-vance-tim-walz-cd3d557a?mod=trending_now_opn_1
A few quotes since this may be behind a pay wall...The last line I bolded is the most important. Trump has a ceiling of support because he is so disliked. Everything he does that turns off the "concerned moderates" just gives Harris, God help us, a better chance at the presidency.Quote:
The economic and security fundamentals are teed up for a Republican victory. Voters and especially the working class are unhappy with the economy, as average real incomes have declined across the Biden Presidency. The chaos at the border has spread to cities around the country.
The Administration's insistence on imposing progressive cultural policies by diktat has produced resentment and a strong counter-reaction. Wars are raging in Europe and the Middle East, and China menaces in the Western Pacific. All of this has voters unhappy about the state of the country and looking for change.
Yet with three months to go before Election Day, Kamala Harris and the Democrats have erased the lead Mr. Trump had over President Biden. She's now leading in the national polls, and tied or narrowly behind in the crucial swing states. The same press that covered for Mr. Biden's infirmities until it was no longer possible has swung in behind her. She may not do another interview, much less get a tough question, through November.
One reason for the surge for Ms. Harris is Democrats coming home in relief from their depression about Mr. Biden. But at age 59 she also presents a youthful contrast to 78-year-old Mr. Trump, who has now been on the presidential stage for nearly a decade. She's trying to steal the "change" mantle with her focus on the future, and she'll succeed if Republicans can't wrap her in the Biden record and her progressive San Francisco views.
The Trump campaign knows this, but the problem is the candidate. Mr. Trump has his passionate followers who don't want to hear a discouraging word. Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him. And now that he is in the news every day campaigning, he is reminding those voters why they didn't vote to re-elect him in 2020.
Ms. Harris in particular seems to have unnerved him as he scrambles but fails to find an attack line that works. He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
They do call out the press for giving Harris a pass, which is very fair.
I really don't get the 50% statement. The ADHD children who answer the polling calls had Trump over 60% before the donkeycoup and had msnbc running queer pepper specials on how to survive the inevitable second Trump administration.
Joes said:Tom Fox said:Joes said:Tom Fox said:
Whether Trump is a good candidate or not is uninteresting. The interesting question is why would anyone vote for Kamala, much less half of Americans?
Insert Ryan Reynolds but why gif.
Just about half the country is going to vote against the other party regardless of who the candidates are. I can't believe this is still surprising to people. Minor 1-2% variations in circumstances are what will decide national elections. Joy Behar would get at least 48%. Bugs Bunny would get at least 48%. Joseph Stalin would get at least 48%. Beyonc would get at least 48%. A random plastic cup on the side of the road would get at least 48%. Because it's NOT the other party.
I'll repeat, but why? What is the other side voting for?
Because depending on the answer, who we run doesn't matter because if it would appeal to them it wouldn't be good for us. Then it is just getting your voters to vote.
I think you answered your own question. It's a team sport and that's all there is to it. And each side hopes more of their side shows up to vote than the other. I don't think there's ever much persuasion or convincing going on. The other side hates Trump and all republicans with a passion. Their candidate doesn't matter much. And our side is usually the same. Aggies would rather cheer for a 0-12 Aggie team than a 12-0 Texas team, that's exactly how people are with politics, only more so.
Your own side's flaws become irrelevant when the other side is the devil. And that's how both sides see each other now. I could laugh at the idea that someone would vote for Kamala instead of Trump but at the same time I know that I would honestly vote for a used Kleenex before I voted for her. And so would 99% of the people here. The only thing a "good" candidate does is possibly bring out the additional 1-2% that pushes you over the edge to win. 96% of all voters are locked in regardless.
That doesn't answer my question. I vote for Republicans for lower taxes, smaller government, 2A rights, individual freedoms, and pro small business.
What are they voting for? If it is socialism, then the candidate we nominate doesn't matter.
Trump didn't blow the election, the republican party did. Trump was never capable of winning this election. The republican leadership should've known this and pushed back against MAGA, but they were too scared to. Former presidents typically aren't supposed to run against after losing reelection, but Trump selfishly decided to anyway. Around 2022, most of Trump's midterm endorsements had lost, and it looked like the Republican party was finally about to ditch Trump. But he slowly came back and beat Ron DeSantis. It seems that the republican base has an incredibly short term memory. Trump lost in 2020 and in 2022, but he still has supporters because republicans chase the high they had on 2016 election night when Trump miraculously defied all odds and triggered all the MSNBC pundits. They don't understand that 2016 Trump is long gone. He is too old and carries too much baggage.
Trump exists as a shadow of his former self. You can see it in the way he speaks. The media likes to refer to this as "Trump's greatest hits". His speeches have become more bizarre and more incomprehensible. He'll stick to the few talking points he knows best and make obviously unbelievable exaggerations. For example, he'll say something like "The border was the worst border in the history of borders under Joe Biden, and when I was president, it was the strongest it had ever been ever!" No facts or data are used to back this up. No details or solutions. It's just typical salesman talk. Everyone can see through it, even his own supporters are tired of it. There is so much about politics to talk about, but Trump can't talk in any meaningful way. He just repeats the same memorized lines at every rally. He'll talk about millions of immigrants invading, inflation destroying everyone's bank accounts, the rigged election, and something about solving abortion. Once you've been to one Trump rally, you've been to them all.
In 2016, people said that Trump was different because he said it how it was. Sure he was offensive, but that was just him telling the Truth, unlike other politicians who concealed their true intentions through political speak. Flash forward to 2024, "Trump's greatest hits" have become the new political speak. Trump is does not come across as genuine anymore. Everyone can now recognize his canned talking points that don't mean anything and only serve to get cheers from the crowd.
Forget Jan 6. Forget the incitements. Trump is going to lose because his charisma has wore off.
Trump exists as a shadow of his former self. You can see it in the way he speaks. The media likes to refer to this as "Trump's greatest hits". His speeches have become more bizarre and more incomprehensible. He'll stick to the few talking points he knows best and make obviously unbelievable exaggerations. For example, he'll say something like "The border was the worst border in the history of borders under Joe Biden, and when I was president, it was the strongest it had ever been ever!" No facts or data are used to back this up. No details or solutions. It's just typical salesman talk. Everyone can see through it, even his own supporters are tired of it. There is so much about politics to talk about, but Trump can't talk in any meaningful way. He just repeats the same memorized lines at every rally. He'll talk about millions of immigrants invading, inflation destroying everyone's bank accounts, the rigged election, and something about solving abortion. Once you've been to one Trump rally, you've been to them all.
In 2016, people said that Trump was different because he said it how it was. Sure he was offensive, but that was just him telling the Truth, unlike other politicians who concealed their true intentions through political speak. Flash forward to 2024, "Trump's greatest hits" have become the new political speak. Trump is does not come across as genuine anymore. Everyone can now recognize his canned talking points that don't mean anything and only serve to get cheers from the crowd.
Forget Jan 6. Forget the incitements. Trump is going to lose because his charisma has wore off.
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
Then you're not a serious person. That's such a piece of propaganda that only the incredibly gullible or hyper-partisan leftists would give it any credence.
Charisma should be irrelevant. It's what they support that actually matters.
aginlakeway said:zb008 said:
Trump was never a popular candidate to begin with. He was just someone who was willing to say the craziest things to get votes from radical Republicans. His antics are good for winning a primary, but not a general election. With all of the criticism that they get, Romney and McCain were much better candidates than Trump, but they had the misfortune of facing Obama. Trying to beat Obama was about as much of a lost cause as trying to beat Clinton in the 90s was.
Didn't get the 2nd most votes EVER?
Do you agree in 2020 we had a very engaged electorate with a lot of people voting that would normally stay home? Both candidates were destined to get the first and second most votes of any candidate in history given population growth and a near record, if not record, percentage of people voting.
Neither candidate will come close to the number of votes in 2020 because people aren't anywhere near as engaged this time around.
This 100%. Trump has a superpower to blow away the media. Just answering the "gotcha" opening question like he did was perfect. He should have then gotten back on "economy bad, illegal immigration is out-of-control, and foreign policy is embarrassing" and stayed there. There is no way to fold Kamala's race into any winning message, not even with Trump bluster.Tramp96 said:
I have supported Trump since he won the nomination in 2016. I was in the DeSantis camp this go round, but once Trump secured the delegates early in the primary season, I switched my support back to him. I am ardently supporting him because we can't afford another 4 years under this regime.
With that said, I wish he would incorporate a little campaign discipline. Stick to the low hanging fruit and don't stray from it. Economy, immigration, and foreign affairs.
I applauded him agreeing to go before the black journalists convention...it gave him a real opportunity. And he blew it. Yeah, I get it...the delay, the gotcha question. But you gotta rise above that and not give them the soundbites they were wanting.
Don't talk about Harris' race...it's a distraction that will not win you any new voters. Stick to the big ticket items. Quit with the personal crap.
But he can't do it. He won't do it. That's what makes me pull my hair out. He could have this election in the bag with just a modicum of discipline and he refuses to do it.
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Will the Dems "secure" another election?
That's the question.
That's the question.
I'm not a leftist so ask them.Tom Fox said:Joes said:Tom Fox said:Joes said:Tom Fox said:
Whether Trump is a good candidate or not is uninteresting. The interesting question is why would anyone vote for Kamala, much less half of Americans?
Insert Ryan Reynolds but why gif.
Just about half the country is going to vote against the other party regardless of who the candidates are. I can't believe this is still surprising to people. Minor 1-2% variations in circumstances are what will decide national elections. Joy Behar would get at least 48%. Bugs Bunny would get at least 48%. Joseph Stalin would get at least 48%. Beyonc would get at least 48%. A random plastic cup on the side of the road would get at least 48%. Because it's NOT the other party.
I'll repeat, but why? What is the other side voting for?
Because depending on the answer, who we run doesn't matter because if it would appeal to them it wouldn't be good for us. Then it is just getting your voters to vote.
I think you answered your own question. It's a team sport and that's all there is to it. And each side hopes more of their side shows up to vote than the other. I don't think there's ever much persuasion or convincing going on. The other side hates Trump and all republicans with a passion. Their candidate doesn't matter much. And our side is usually the same. Aggies would rather cheer for a 0-12 Aggie team than a 12-0 Texas team, that's exactly how people are with politics, only more so.
Your own side's flaws become irrelevant when the other side is the devil. And that's how both sides see each other now. I could laugh at the idea that someone would vote for Kamala instead of Trump but at the same time I know that I would honestly vote for a used Kleenex before I voted for her. And so would 99% of the people here. The only thing a "good" candidate does is possibly bring out the additional 1-2% that pushes you over the edge to win. 96% of all voters are locked in regardless.
That doesn't answer my question. I vote for Republicans for lower taxes, smaller government, 2A rights, individual freedoms, and pro small business.
What are they voting for? If it is socialism, then the candidate we nominate doesn't matter.
But it seems obvious they're voting for more government, no borders, higher taxes, more abortion, and a society that rewards identity instead of merit.
I've never seen so many defeatist losers in one thread caught up in media hysteria and fake polling.
The two biggest issues in this race are still the economy and illegal immigration and Trump crushes Kamala on both.
It was only three weeks ago that Trump had a 70% chance to win and suddenly you people think that Trump is going to blow the election to the least popular VP in history? Give me a break.
The two biggest issues in this race are still the economy and illegal immigration and Trump crushes Kamala on both.
It was only three weeks ago that Trump had a 70% chance to win and suddenly you people think that Trump is going to blow the election to the least popular VP in history? Give me a break.
Who?mikejones! said:2024 National GE:
— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) August 8, 2024
Harris 53% (+6)
Trump 47%
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Harris 50% (+8)
Trump 42%
Kennedy 6%
Oliver 1%
Stein 1%
West 0%
.@MULawPoll, 683 LV, 7/24-8/1https://t.co/wwjYkVb7Mr
Still a way to go...but, it ain't looking good
The voter base distribution alone calls this poll into question. The poll is +7% Democrat responses.
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This democratic ticket is the worst ticket of my lifetime. And that says something because I go back to the Carter days.Bob Knights Paper Hands said:
Serious questions
1) What has Trump done this election to blow the race? What specific mean tweets or comments has he made?
2) If this is residual Trump hatred for past mean tweets or for the media and Dems twisting everything he says or doesn't say into something evil - what could Trump possibly do to combat that?
But instead of discussing issues DJT wants to be a smart ass and argue about whether KH is black or not. Or how to pronounce her name. He throws out that KH is worse than Biden without saying why she is worse.
We have socialists trying to run our country (in to the ground) and DJT is treating it like a damn tv show. Quit being a smart ass and talk policy and issues. Maybe after the DNC he will start doing that, but to do that he will have to listen to other people. He does not have a history of doing that.
This election is there for the taking by the Republicans. But he can screw that up by talking too much about personal stuff. Immigration. Crime. Bills at the grocery store. Our military. Drive that home. Who cares whether she is black or not or has a different name.
This is why the GOP and Trump need to go hard on attack ads for her. Should have already started. Don't let the media define her. Trump needs to.
The only difference is that Biden or Harris (maybe?) won't be the Democrats' candidate in 2028. 2024 was there for the taking, but it seems the rematch was etched in stone.Gigem314 said:Probably, but would that have made a difference against the aggressive media campaign against Republican candidates while protecting the image of the Democrat candidate...and all the questionable election handling that goes on in the key states?96AgGrad said:
Trump is a better candidate than Kamala, but probably not good enough to overcome the media bias and the cheating. I still think DeSantis would have been better because he can actually delineate a better path forward, instead of the name calling contest we have now.
I don't think the challenge will be much different in 2028 if you have DeSantis or Youngkin as the nominee.
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
Concerned moderates have a unique capacity of simply ignoring all the pathetic events and issues we've seen over the past four years.
Joes said:I'm not a leftist so ask them.Tom Fox said:Joes said:Tom Fox said:Joes said:Tom Fox said:
Whether Trump is a good candidate or not is uninteresting. The interesting question is why would anyone vote for Kamala, much less half of Americans?
Insert Ryan Reynolds but why gif.
Just about half the country is going to vote against the other party regardless of who the candidates are. I can't believe this is still surprising to people. Minor 1-2% variations in circumstances are what will decide national elections. Joy Behar would get at least 48%. Bugs Bunny would get at least 48%. Joseph Stalin would get at least 48%. Beyonc would get at least 48%. A random plastic cup on the side of the road would get at least 48%. Because it's NOT the other party.
I'll repeat, but why? What is the other side voting for?
Because depending on the answer, who we run doesn't matter because if it would appeal to them it wouldn't be good for us. Then it is just getting your voters to vote.
I think you answered your own question. It's a team sport and that's all there is to it. And each side hopes more of their side shows up to vote than the other. I don't think there's ever much persuasion or convincing going on. The other side hates Trump and all republicans with a passion. Their candidate doesn't matter much. And our side is usually the same. Aggies would rather cheer for a 0-12 Aggie team than a 12-0 Texas team, that's exactly how people are with politics, only more so.
Your own side's flaws become irrelevant when the other side is the devil. And that's how both sides see each other now. I could laugh at the idea that someone would vote for Kamala instead of Trump but at the same time I know that I would honestly vote for a used Kleenex before I voted for her. And so would 99% of the people here. The only thing a "good" candidate does is possibly bring out the additional 1-2% that pushes you over the edge to win. 96% of all voters are locked in regardless.
That doesn't answer my question. I vote for Republicans for lower taxes, smaller government, 2A rights, individual freedoms, and pro small business.
What are they voting for? If it is socialism, then the candidate we nominate doesn't matter.
But it seems obvious they're voting for more government, no borders, higher taxes, more abortion, and a society that rewards identity instead of merit.
Then no candidate that will be good for them will be ok with us. It's all turning out your voters.
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
This, I will not vote for Harris but I refuse to vote for Trump. If evidence was actually produced I would absolutely fall in line but I refuse to vote for someone that baselessly attacked our democracy
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