Will Donald Trump Blow Another Election? - WSJ Editorial Board

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Opinion piece in the WSJ - while they don't endorse candidates they are generally positive/supportive of Trump. But they are concerned he's about to lose again...

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-2024-election-kamala-harris-jd-vance-tim-walz-cd3d557a?mod=trending_now_opn_1

A few quotes since this may be behind a pay wall...
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The economic and security fundamentals are teed up for a Republican victory. Voters and especially the working class are unhappy with the economy, as average real incomes have declined across the Biden Presidency. The chaos at the border has spread to cities around the country.

The Administration's insistence on imposing progressive cultural policies by diktat has produced resentment and a strong counter-reaction. Wars are raging in Europe and the Middle East, and China menaces in the Western Pacific. All of this has voters unhappy about the state of the country and looking for change.

Yet with three months to go before Election Day, Kamala Harris and the Democrats have erased the lead Mr. Trump had over President Biden. She's now leading in the national polls, and tied or narrowly behind in the crucial swing states. The same press that covered for Mr. Biden's infirmities until it was no longer possible has swung in behind her. She may not do another interview, much less get a tough question, through November.

One reason for the surge for Ms. Harris is Democrats coming home in relief from their depression about Mr. Biden. But at age 59 she also presents a youthful contrast to 78-year-old Mr. Trump, who has now been on the presidential stage for nearly a decade. She's trying to steal the "change" mantle with her focus on the future, and she'll succeed if Republicans can't wrap her in the Biden record and her progressive San Francisco views.

The Trump campaign knows this, but the problem is the candidate. Mr. Trump has his passionate followers who don't want to hear a discouraging word. Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him. And now that he is in the news every day campaigning, he is reminding those voters why they didn't vote to re-elect him in 2020.

Ms. Harris in particular seems to have unnerved him as he scrambles but fails to find an attack line that works. He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
The last line I bolded is the most important. Trump has a ceiling of support because he is so disliked. Everything he does that turns off the "concerned moderates" just gives Harris, God help us, a better chance at the presidency.

They do call out the press for giving Harris a pass, which is very fair.
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Are people not understanding how bad the Kamala ticket is? Trumps campaign and positions are great for moderates but the infatuation with identity is blocking their view.
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He was always a terrible candidate.
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12:03p, 8/8/24
Most likely he will, but of course his ardent followers will blame it solely on fraud, rather than the fact he is a crappy candidate with sky high negatives.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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12:06p, 8/8/24
Serious questions
1) What has Trump done this election to blow the race? What specific mean tweets or comments has he made?
2) If this is residual Trump hatred for past mean tweets or for the media and Dems twisting everything he says or doesn't say into something evil - what could Trump possibly do to combat that?
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dmart90 said:
Opinion piece in the WSJ - while they don't endorse candidates they are generally positive/supportive of Trump. But they are concerned he's about to lose again...

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-2024-election-kamala-harris-jd-vance-tim-walz-cd3d557a?mod=trending_now_opn_1

A few quotes since this may be behind a pay wall...
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The economic and security fundamentals are teed up for a Republican victory. Voters and especially the working class are unhappy with the economy, as average real incomes have declined across the Biden Presidency. The chaos at the border has spread to cities around the country.

The Administration's insistence on imposing progressive cultural policies by diktat has produced resentment and a strong counter-reaction. Wars are raging in Europe and the Middle East, and China menaces in the Western Pacific. All of this has voters unhappy about the state of the country and looking for change.

Yet with three months to go before Election Day, Kamala Harris and the Democrats have erased the lead Mr. Trump had over President Biden. She's now leading in the national polls, and tied or narrowly behind in the crucial swing states. The same press that covered for Mr. Biden's infirmities until it was no longer possible has swung in behind her. She may not do another interview, much less get a tough question, through November.

One reason for the surge for Ms. Harris is Democrats coming home in relief from their depression about Mr. Biden. But at age 59 she also presents a youthful contrast to 78-year-old Mr. Trump, who has now been on the presidential stage for nearly a decade. She's trying to steal the "change" mantle with her focus on the future, and she'll succeed if Republicans can't wrap her in the Biden record and her progressive San Francisco views.

The Trump campaign knows this, but the problem is the candidate. Mr. Trump has his passionate followers who don't want to hear a discouraging word. Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him. And now that he is in the news every day campaigning, he is reminding those voters why they didn't vote to re-elect him in 2020.

Ms. Harris in particular seems to have unnerved him as he scrambles but fails to find an attack line that works. He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
The last line I bolded is the most important. Trump has a ceiling of support because he is so disliked. Everything he does that turns off the "concerned moderates" just gives Harris, God help us, a better chance at the presidency.

They do call out the press for giving Harris a pass, which is very fair.

The Wall Street Journal doesn't like Trump at all!
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12:07p, 8/8/24
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For the majority of population, voting is a popularity contest. With the media painting Trump as Hitler, and Kamala as the best thing since sliced bread, there should be no surprise here.
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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
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In reply to Artorias • 12:09p, 8/8/24
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For the majority of population, voting is a popularity contest. With the media painting Trump as Hitler, and Kamala as the best thing since sliced bread, there should be no surprise here.
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12:10p, 8/8/24
wow people still have their heads in the sand thinking voter fraud is not happening at the level to swing elections for dems fascinating
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12:10p, 8/8/24
YOU DON'T SAY!!




it's almost as if some of us said the exact same thing the OP posted- more than a year ago!

Trump better start taking advice from professional campaign strategists or he will go down in history as losing to a dementia patient and an incomprehensible cackling Communist.

he literally is an awful candidate
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Still a way to go...but, it ain't looking good
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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
While Trump obviously makes it easier for them in many ways, the media would paint any R candidate as the next Hitler and evil incarnate, appealing to the "feels" of easily brainwashed LIV.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 12:12p, 8/8/24
Who?mikejones! said:


Still a way to go...but, it ain't looking good
that poll is 1 to 2 weeks old

Here we go again believing every poll that has trump losing
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In reply to girlfriend_experience • 12:12p, 8/8/24
It's probably worse now
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12:13p, 8/8/24
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Article should be "will the GOP blow another election".
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Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
Such concern, from a rook no less
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Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
so you would rather see Harris in the white house? You are a life long republican hmmmm
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He was always a terrible candidate.


The Dems stole the last election, and are going to steal this one as well. Get used to it, or blame every Republican candidate from here on out. Your choice.
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Most likely he will, but of course his ardent followers will blame it solely on fraud, rather than the fact he is a crappy candidate with sky high negatives.
Yup.

Trump needs to attack her (and Biden's policy) over and over again. Get her off script. Over and over. Harris will self-inflict alot of damage on herself and must be allowed to do so. Trump just bashing on the small stuff, just wont cut it.

This small ball stuff just reminds everyone why he is so disliked by so many people.
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JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
so you would rather see Harris in the white house? You are a life long republican hmmmm


He's a TDS-suffering Concerned Moderate who doesn't look at policy and results, just "mah feels!"
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In reply to Bob Knights Paper Hands • 12:16p, 8/8/24
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Bob Knights Paper Hands said:
Serious questions
1) What has Trump done this election to blow the race? What specific mean tweets or comments has he made?
2) If this is residual Trump hatred for past mean tweets or for the media and Dems twisting everything he says or doesn't say into something evil - what could Trump possibly do to combat that?
From the editorial I quoted:
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He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
He says something stupid/divisive just about every day. He just can't help it.

I don't think he can combat it because he can't control himself. And people that dislike him are not going to magically start liking him because he is who he is. As others have stated - he is a flawed candidate.

To be fair, Harris is incredibly flawed, too.
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JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
So your answer is to vote for an all out socialist system? You do know that you're allowed to use your own brain and decide for yourself whether the election was stolen or not. At the very minimum (and proven by FACT), government agencies conspired with social media to suppress a story that would have 100% changed the outcome of the election. That may not be the "fraud" proof you seek, but it does mean the election was not fair.
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12:19p, 8/8/24
Opinion pages, like polls, are meaningless. The majority of those whose vote will matter is paying attention to anything until fall.

Right now everything put out, on both sides, is nothing more than click bait for those of us who live and breathe this stuff.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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dmart90 said:
Bob Knights Paper Hands said:
Serious questions
1) What has Trump done this election to blow the race? What specific mean tweets or comments has he made?
2) If this is residual Trump hatred for past mean tweets or for the media and Dems twisting everything he says or doesn't say into something evil - what could Trump possibly do to combat that?
From the editorial I quoted:
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He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.
And people that dislike him are not going to magically start liking him because he is who he is. As others have stated - he is a flawed candidate.
True, but if polls are to be believed, some people in the swing states (and that is absolutely all that matters...people in Texas, Cali, New York...dont matter), some were coming around because of how much they thought Biden wasn't the guy...and could stomach voting for Trump.

So, this isnt completely true.
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William K. Klingaman said:
girlfriend_experience said:
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
so you would rather see Harris in the white house? You are a life long republican hmmmm


He's a TDS-suffering Concerned Moderate who doesn't look at policy and results, just "mah feels!"
It's a bot or a paid agitator.

JohnnyAlamo? LOL.
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JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.



Concerned Moderate detected….

Definitely has us all fooled and no one suspects a Leftist with an agenda…
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In reply to Artorias • 12:23p, 8/8/24
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GAC06 said:
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Yet the political reality is that he has a ceiling of support that is below 50% because so many Americans dislike him.


Needs to be said again, but his base would rather cry about "feels" rather than open their eyes to the political reality.
While Trump obviously makes it easier for them in many ways, the media would paint any R candidate as the next Hitler and evil incarnate, appealing to the "feels" of easily brainwashed LIV.


I guess that was where my questions were going. Every Republican cabdidate since Reagan has been absolutely villified bynthe media. The use of the Hitler comparison is consistent for anyone who competes against The Party. Even left of center John McCain was painted as a hard right religious conservative loon.
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JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.


Then don't look at it as a vote for Trump. Look at it as a vote for a Republican executive and a Republican Judiciary. The president doesn't really run the government, the minions do.

You'd rather have democrats running the government and all the crap they'd do to you and your family over your resentment of a single guy? For the record I don't like Trump either, but can see the situation for what it is.
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All of these polls and everything is completely predictable and I honestly do not believe any of them since Biden bailed.

Biden was underwater on almost every single issue and Harris was even more underwater than Biden was on each issue as well. Then magically, Biden is dumped and Harris is now loved and now an issue winner on the very same issues without anything actually changing on policy ideas? Total BS. This is all a media creation and a sugar high due to "change", but as this sugar high wears off, I do not see how polls do not return right back to where they were 3 weeks ago.

Harris has the same or worse policy ideas than Biden and her record is even more terrible than Biden's. Media is hiding her until the DNC convention, where she will get another "bump". Then with 2.5 months until the election, everything will go down hill for them.

Vance is going to absolutely destroy Walz in any/all debates.

Trump will not perform as well as Vance in the debates because Trump isn't phenomenal at debating, but Kamala's record is so piss poor and her truly horrific personality/ dumb as rocks speaking ability combined with her "ideas" finally showing just how incompetent and radical she is, she is going to drop like a rock.

Again, this will require Trump to force her to be much much more visible. The media will continue to hide her just like Biden in 2020- pre-debate 2024. He does that, Kamala will sink herself very very easily.
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William K. Klingaman said:
girlfriend_experience said:
JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
so you would rather see Harris in the white house? You are a life long republican hmmmm


He's a TDS-suffering Concerned Moderate who doesn't look at policy and results, just "mah feels!"
So he's a democrat then?
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JohnnyAlamo said:
Lifelong Republican but I just can't vote for Trump after the voter fraud debacle and J6. I want honest elections in this country, but I need to see evidence of the fraud that supposedly took place. It's been 4 years and nothing but unproved theories and rumors. I have serious concerns Trump would try to remain in office for a 3rd term based on his past behavior.
evidence?

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

1,546 proven incidents of recent voter fraud, many of which were from the 2020 election. Many convictions of mail-in ballot harvesting.

It is not just unproved theories and rumors. That is what the headlines repeat incessantly, but is not true. The only way to act like it didnt happen, is to choose to ignore it.

With that said, I assume you'll vote for Trump now that you've seen the evidence?
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I have supported Trump since he won the nomination in 2016. I was in the DeSantis camp this go round, but once Trump secured the delegates early in the primary season, I switched my support back to him. I am ardently supporting him because we can't afford another 4 years under this regime.

With that said, I wish he would incorporate a little campaign discipline. Stick to the low hanging fruit and don't stray from it. Economy, immigration, and foreign affairs.

I applauded him agreeing to go before the black journalists convention...it gave him a real opportunity. And he blew it. Yeah, I get it...the delay, the gotcha question. But you gotta rise above that and not give them the soundbites they were wanting.

Don't talk about Harris' race...it's a distraction that will not win you any new voters. Stick to the big ticket items. Quit with the personal crap.

But he can't do it. He won't do it. That's what makes me pull my hair out. He could have this election in the bag with just a modicum of discipline and he refuses to do it.
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RulesForTheeNotForMe said:
All of these polls and everything is completely predictable and I honestly do not believe any of them since Biden bailed.


The polls now may be fabricated, but if that's the case then the polls before showing Biden getting blown out were fabricated as well to an extent. Most likely to apply pressure on Biden to drop out.

Most likely the country is still split 50/50, and always has been throughout this whole thing. Everybody has their team and nobody is going to move off that team. However it will come down to how motivated democrats are to vote. If their asses are on fire then they'll get the crucial 50K-200K votes they need in the battleground states to win, if not then Trump wins. I suspect republicans will be motivated to vote no matter what.
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Without getting a big part of the "Concerned Moderate" vote, Trump will lose.

Some of you may want to think about that and quit making derogatory remarks about a segment of the electorate
that we, as Republicans, will need to keep Harris out off office.

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