Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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rolo said:


Amateur hour at the Secret Service.
You have 1 ****ing job.
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rolo said:


oh I am sure they do them. Doesn't matter it was their event. They are responsible. Throwing the Butler PD under the bus is an easy play but doesn't excuse them from responsibility
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Finger pointing will be hardcore going forward
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Funny, i didn't know the secret service was tasked with defending a perimeter. I thought they only defended high value individuals
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rolo said:




Whomever set the perimeter F'ed up intentionally or not.

That's the fail point.
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richardag said:

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Stay on the ladder, ducked just below the roof line, fire rounds into the sky dirt below the ladder.

1) SS tackles Trump off stage

2) snipers shoot bad guy

3) you're a living (???) hero
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Made a change of my own. It would have been the prudent thing to do, but calling the snipers attention to a gunman intent on shooting Trump might have resulted in making the warning shots a "shoot first ask questions later" situation where they took out everybody in the vicinity with a gun. But hopefully not
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txag72 said:

Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.

He has not. He has publicly praised and thanked his detail.
Trump will fix it.
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rolo said:


This is Brenda from your office telling you 'that's not in my job description.'
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rolo said:


Doesn't matter whose job it was to secure that roof, it was the USSS's job to make sure somebody did it. Trump should not have been allowed on the stage without confirmation that the roof was secure.

If you go rappelling with a guide, and it is his job to tie the ropes to an anchor point at the top of the cliff, are you going to jump off the cliff without verifying for yourself that he did that part of his job?
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rolo said:




They left the only sniper perch to barney fife. Someone using this excuse should be fired on the spot. There are many countries where this excuse would get you lined up against a wall, and I gotta say, they may have that right
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techno-ag said:

txag72 said:

Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.

He has not. He has publicly praised and thanked his detail.
Yes his has. As expected. I expect we will see some new faces at the next rally.
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no ***** and what about all of the people at the rally screaming for minutes that there is a guy on the roof with a gun to LEO...I dont believe any of this for a single second.
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DannyDuberstein said:

rolo said:




They left the only sniper perch to barney fife. Someone using this excuse should be fired on the spot
Agreed. I was telling my wife last night, leaving that perch undefended only leaves you with two possible conclusions, both of which are equally troubling. Either the USSS leads protecting Trump are stunningly incompetent or they are compromised and deliberately left a prime sniper rest unsecured. There can be no other conclusion that matches the facts. The fact that the shooter was spotted minutes prior to shooting and was reportedly confronted by a local PD and Trump was still on the stage instead of under a pile of USSS while the local PD was approaching the shooter leaves only the same two conclusions in play.
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Story gets darker with the passage of time.
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rolo said:




It sounds like the perimeter that they defined was too small and the SS should have defined a larger perimeter in order to properly do their job.

This excuse would be totally laughable if two people weren't dead and two people weren't hospitalized as a direct result of their gross negligence.

This fiasco is just another example of the complete incompetence of the current administration. They fail the American public at literally every that they do.
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Sorry. I see this was already posted. Wow. Seen crawling on roof. Amazing

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The American taxpayer funds better security for Voladimir Zelenskyy than for our most recent former and soon-to-be President. Let that sink in.
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Quote:

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txag72 said:
Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.
He hasn't and won't. They both saved his life and nearly got him killed.
Yes, I know. But, don't you maybe think back in the bedroom with Melania he may have some different things to say?
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Ellis Wyatt said:

The American taxpayer funds better security for Voladimir Zelenskyy than for our most recent former and soon-to-be President. Let that sink in.
Well to be fair, the folks in power think Zelensky is more valuable to them to keep alive than Trump.
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Zelensky gives 10% to the Big Guy.
Trump will try to end the Biden Syndicate cash cows.
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Scum of the earth liar, that looks sad all the time on tv now because the assassin missed. She had all her dead Trump talking points ready to go. Guy missed, and you can see the heartbreak in her reporting,
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I get that it is USSS and/or local PD's job to provide security, but am I the only one disappointed that no bystander took it upon themselves to go investigate/intervene?
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Does the fact that there were apparently trees that protected the shooter from being seen add a little suspicion to the placement of the sniper positions?
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BuddysBud said:

rolo said:




It sounds like the perimeter that they defined was too small and the SS should have defined a larger perimeter in order to properly do their job.

This excuse would be totally laughable if two people weren't dead and two people weren't hospitalized as a direct result of their gross negligence.

This fiasco is just another example of the complete incompetence of the current administration. They fail the American public at literally every that they do.

Hire on merit, not on diversity. Especially when lives are at stake.
Trump will fix it.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

I get that it is USSS and/or local PD's job to provide security, but am I the only one disappointed that no bystander took it upon themselves to go investigate/intervene?


There should have been enough law enforcement officers to take action once the bystanders reported a guy with a rifle on the roof. They did their duty by informing LEOs.

A bystander putting himself in the middle of an assassination attempt would be asking to be killed either by the assassin or the SS snipers.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

I get that it is USSS and/or local PD's job to provide security, but am I the only one disappointed that no bystander took it upon themselves to go investigate/intervene?


Yeah….i expect I would be dead but only after terminating the shooter.
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After incidents where a federal agency ****s up they tend to rename the agency, split the agency in two, or create a whole new agency.

See 9-11 and Deepwater Horizon.

Will we see that here?
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Barnyard96 said:

Texagcutie said:

I heard the FBI cannot open the shooter's phone. Can't they just put it in front of his face?!



His face has had some recent work done
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Has anything been discussed about the shooter's parents/family? I would like to know what they do for a living. And if they have any family members or friends associated in any way to the industrial complex where the shooter took his shot from.
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His dad is a psychologist that has published books. Mom is less clear - have seen stay home mom that was a teacher, or a behaviorsl therapist. Could be she has been all of that
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AnScAggie said:

Has anything been discussed about the shooter's parents/family? I would like to know what they do for a living. And if they have any family members or friends associated in any way to the industrial complex where the shooter took his shot from.


Parents were both mental health professionals.
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aginlakeway said:

AnScAggie said:

Has anything been discussed about the shooter's parents/family? I would like to know what they do for a living. And if they have any family members or friends associated in any way to the industrial complex where the shooter took his shot from.


Parents were both mental health professionals.
They sound pretty bad at their job.
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This is the stuff I was referring to. I may agree that DEI policies of the SS were a factor. However this is unimportant. They failed to secure the area. Everyone even DEI proponents can't argue that. No excuses when a 20 year old kitchen employee at a nursing home figures out the hole in security is the most obvious threat. Force that point until leadership is changed. Then get to finer points on the replacement. Even with 100% female protection at least one would say how about that clear and obvious position?
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aginlakeway said:

AnScAggie said:

Has anything been discussed about the shooter's parents/family? I would like to know what they do for a living. And if they have any family members or friends associated in any way to the industrial complex where the shooter took his shot from.


Parents were both mental health professionals.



I am shocked. Shocked.
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