Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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In reply to MarkTwain • 8:26p, 7/14/24
Foreverconservative said:
They are reporting that the FBI has his iPhone. Almost all iPhones use either facial recognition or fingerprint to open the phone. I would assume the FBI has access to the body. What's the problem opening the phone via either. Puzzling
You don't have to set up facial or fingerprint recognition.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 8:27p, 7/14/24
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LOL, they can't use his face. It's got a new hole in it.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 8:27p, 7/14/24
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Foreverconservative said:
They are reporting that the FBI has his iPhone. Almost all iPhones use either facial recognition or fingerprint to open the phone. I would assume the FBI has access to the body. What's the problem opening the phone via either. Puzzling
Not sure he has a face anymore. Could have burned his prints?
or not activated fingerprint.... both (not activating or burning his fingerprints off) i guess likely options
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In reply to hedge • 8:32p, 7/14/24
rolo said:


Joe Biden is Team MAGA


In his NATO speech he did take credit for getting other countries to pay more. Which was just the results of what Trump pushed thru in his first term.

Joe is a well known plagiarizer.
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In reply to BlueTaze • 8:34p, 7/14/24
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rolo said:


Joe Biden is Team MAGA


In his NATO speech he did take credit for getting other countries to pay more. Which was just the results of what Trump pushed thru in his first term.

Joe is a well known plagiarizer.


The war Joe allowed to happened also was a big motivation to up the spending
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In reply to FrioAg 00 • 8:34p, 7/14/24
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Looked like a lost a few teeth as well
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8:35p, 7/14/24
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Even if it is setup if he simply turned his phone off it doesn't work on reboot. Have to use the password
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8:36p, 7/14/24
There's an ongoing lawsuit by Apple over their security measures in iOS being bypassed by Russian-made hacking tools. A legal dispute between two Russian phone forensics companies has revealed a weakness and possible "zero day" vulnerability in Apple's iOS 16 operating system. Are our people that incompetent. Like I said it rings of San Bernardino all over again
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8:40p, 7/14/24
NSFW. LANGUAGE.

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8:41p, 7/14/24
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The fact that they keep saying they just can't find any social media or political posts and that we may never know the motive all mean he was a rabid lib with ties to ANTIFA or some other prog brown shirts
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In reply to MarkTwain • 8:44p, 7/14/24
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Are our people that incompetent.
That's the greatest thing about our alphabet agencies. They are both willing and able to display gross incompetence when called upon to do so.
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In reply to fredfredunderscorefred • 8:48p, 7/14/24
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fredfredunderscorefred said:
aggiehawg said:
Foreverconservative said:
They are reporting that the FBI has his iPhone. Almost all iPhones use either facial recognition or fingerprint to open the phone. I would assume the FBI has access to the body. What's the problem opening the phone via either. Puzzling
Not sure he has a face anymore. Could have burned his prints?
or not activated fingerprint.... both (not activating or burning his fingerprints off) i guess likely options
There's an Israeli outfit that can Crack smart phones by making multiple clones and grinding through all possible login credentials. its been done before.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 8:49p, 7/14/24
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Sounds like It's 8 shots from the shooter. One return shot.
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In reply to fredfredunderscorefred • 8:54p, 7/14/24
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fredfredunderscorefred said:
Same news report saying the Feds have ruled out accomplices and confirmed he acted alone, but also saying the Feds have not been able to access his phone yet…

I tend to think he did act alone, but wouldn't they need that phone information to be able to speak so definitively?
He didn't need any accomplices with all the help he got from the USSS.
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 8:58p, 7/14/24
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Maroon Dawn said:
The fact that they keep saying they just can't find any social media or political posts and that we may never know the motive all mean he was a rabid lib with ties to ANTIFA or some other prog brown shirts

Pretty sure his motivation was clear.
Trump will fix it.
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8:58p, 7/14/24
Sure seems like all three branches of government were brought to bear on Donald Trump over the course of the week or so that preceded him being shot.

Congressional Branch: Democratic Congressman Bennie Thompson from Mississippi, the Ranking Member of the Committee on Homeland Security, introduced legislation that would remove Secret Service protection from Donald Trump.

Judicial Branch: Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, Kegan and Jackson read aloud an opinion suggesting Trump is a king and also invoking an example of the threat of assassination of political rivals (by Trump).

Executive Branch: President Joe Biden publicly announces that "it's time to put Trump in a bullseye" as well as defunding secret service protections from Donald Trump.

And a week out from all this Trump is almost ear holed by a 5.56.

The darkness of this event has not yet been realized.

A no time in history of the US has the full power and resources of the federal government been brought to bear on a single man.

Wild time to be alive.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 9:00p, 7/14/24
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Yukon Cornelius said:
Sounds like It's 8 shots from the shooter. One return shot.
i have listened to that many times sounds like 3 aimed shots by the shooter. The rest seems to be mixed. I would guess 2 more shooter 3 return but hard to tell. I would also guess the last however many shots by the shooter had no aim at all. Just lead down range or in the air
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In reply to txags92 • 9:03p, 7/14/24
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txags92 said:
fredfredunderscorefred said:
Same news report saying the Feds have ruled out accomplices and confirmed he acted alone, but also saying the Feds have not been able to access his phone yet…

I tend to think he did act alone, but wouldn't they need that phone information to be able to speak so definitively?
He didn't need any accomplices with all the help he got from the USSS.
right. In shooter, wahlberg should've just suggested the rooftop 130 yards from the target. USSS apparently never thinks about that spot...
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In reply to Kunkle for Congress TX-34 • 9:08p, 7/14/24
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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:


So the rally that happens to have few actual secret service agents is the one where he actually got shot? Not a conspiracy theorist but damn
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In reply to hedge • 9:08p, 7/14/24
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rolo said:
Was it? Or was it more of a Homeland Security failure as the acting replacement for the watered down SS assets specific to Trump's security detail? Or both acting on orders of intentional negligence?
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In reply to hedge • 9:09p, 7/14/24
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rolo said:

They're right you know.
Trump will fix it.
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In reply to agent-maroon • 9:11p, 7/14/24
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Using budget gear that is a very easy shot. Lots of shooters on texags could make this shot repeatedly without much prep with guns they have in their homes as they sit now.
Yes, I understand that this is a shot that is super-duper easy for anybody that has shot a rifle any amount at all. Even though I haven't shot for the last 20 years and now enjoy limited visual acuity with bifocals, I feel like I could sight in a rifle handed to me with a box or two of shells and an afternoon at the range and probably make a similar shot. However, "without much prep" doesn't mean without any prep at all. "Repeatedly" doesn't mean more often than not making a first cold shot without warming up. The guy is a bullied 20yo psycho loner who failed to qualify for a HS rifle team according to former classmates.

When/where/how did he get his "limited" prep? Was he a recent visitor to the range or was he a regular trying to keep his skills fresh (like most of the "easy shot" posters here) or was he a novice shooter using his dad's rifle while having a psychotic break that somehow managed to outsmart the SS with optimal positioning on an unsecured rooftop 150 yards away and nearly pull off the first presidential assassination in 60+ years?

Or was he something else?
For my two cents on a conspiracy take

IF I had to come up with a conspiracy based on what I think are the facts right now, I would say the shooter was a known threat that was allowed to get close and take a shot. And even then I would doubt many if any of the people in the know were in the USSS or supporting officers. Or to state in a different way it wouldn't be shocking to find out the FBI or similar knew he was going to make a try and didn't pass the info along to the people protecting trump. For the moment at least, I see more incompetence, lack or resources, than anything else.

And it might be interesting to keep in mind I believe JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy of US Government people (CIA, ONI, Politicians, etc). My alarm bells just aren't going off (yet maybe) on this.

But would be more than willing to change my mind on either event if new information comes.
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In reply to hedge • 9:15p, 7/14/24
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rolo said:


This is the message to drive home. I am sure every internet sleuth including myself is getting something wrong.

No one is missing the failure to secure the most obvious sniper position in the area. People who have never held a weapon understand this failure.

Ignore the detailed talking points that come out. A 20 yr old with no combat experience walked into the most obvious position and got off multiple shots. Everything else is a distraction. That is enough. Digging deeper may be fun but not important
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In reply to hedge • 9:22p, 7/14/24
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rolo said:


Disagree. This goes back to JFK in my mind.
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In reply to FrioAg 00 • 9:22p, 7/14/24
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Stay on the ladder, ducked just below the roof line, fire rounds into the sky dirt below the ladder.

1) SS tackles Trump off stage

2) snipers shoot bad guy

3) you're a living hero
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9:23p, 7/14/24
Bulk of Trump's protection detail seems like larpers.

People lollygagging in the background in full-battle-rattle walking around was cosplay.

We've seen video from every angle, but prior to 2007 with the introduction of the smartphone we'd have seen just a few, and the level of incompetence seen here would've been easily glossed over.
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9:26p, 7/14/24
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Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.
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In reply to Kunkle for Congress TX-34 • 9:27p, 7/14/24
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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:
I don't honestly care who they were. I am an absolute rank amateur with no experience whatsoever arranging security for anything, but if I am looking at securing a location for something like this, every elevated location with a view of the stage within 500 yds would have somebody with a gun and a radio (fed, state, or local) on top of it to deny it to any potential shooter.
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In reply to txag72 • 9:27p, 7/14/24
txag72 said:
Trump calling out his own SS would be like a QB throwing his OL under the bus. Not smart.
He hasn't and won't. They both saved his life and nearly got him killed.
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Look, I have significant issues with the SS, but the agents (or whomever they were) acted quickly and surrounded Trump. I can't in good conscience give them crap. They may not me "top notch" but many of them sacrificed their bodies in the event more shots were coming. Trump owes them a debt of gratitude and I don't think he will say otherwise.
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