sorry hoss it is 2024 not 1964

Not sure I'd want people serving along side of me that didn't want to be there when the bullets begin to fly. I will never advocate for a draft, which is the point of selective service. If our government is so busted that military recruitment can't make their goals, then I'd say our government is moving in the wrong direction.

Great points.

In addition to that, there was a policy study from the Cato Institute years ago that, if I remember correctly, pointed out that the draft will not produce many soldiers with the level of professionalism that our modern military commands.

If you want cannon fodder, a driaft will work.

If you want soldiers who can deal with the technical aspects of modern military systems, the draft won't accomplish very much.

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20 years ago I would have been willingly laid down my life for this country. 10 years ago probably the same. Even 5 years ago I would have.


Today - there's no ****ing way me or my son will fight for this shothole.

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Then why haven't you left? Patriot, my ass. Turn your back on the country because of 4 years. Adios, amigo. Or find wherever else language you'll be using.

Sounds like this is just preventing draft dodging by automatically registering young adults.

throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

BadMoonRisin said:

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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Is there anything our government could do to make you not want to fight for this country or send your kids off to fight?
If yes, then you aren't a patriot and you clearly hate this country.

Obviously I'm being sarcastic, but hopefully you get the point.

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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There is no country anymore. It's an economic zone. Hth

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Cool, adios. HTH.

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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I didnt call myself anything. I would defend the country from an existential threat.

**** Ukraine and **** Russia. Neither of those are it.

If NATO needs to get involved in that conflict, there are plenty of people on that side of the world that have freeloaded off of that agreement for decades that can handle it.

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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I didnt call myself anything. I would defend the country from an existential threat.

**** Ukraine and **** Russia. Neither of those are it.

If NATO needs to get involved in that conflict, there are plenty of people on that side of the world that freeload off the agreement that can handle it.

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I quoted you, Pal. And you said you wouldn't defend this "****hole." No limiting it to Ukraine or Russia invading. Again, go find somewhere else to live. Biden sucks. I agree. But I'm not turning into a *****.

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Within two or three days after I turned 18, I proudly went down to the courthouse and registered for the draft.

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And then you got into your Model T and raced back to the farm at 15 mph.

You quoted someone else and that person didnt call themselves a patriot either. You're just being a tough guy on the internet.

If you wanna send your kids to corrupt ****hole eastern bloc countries to fight for the US of Gay, be my guest.

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You quoted someone else and that person didnt call themselves a patriot either. You're just being a tough guy on the internet.

If you wanna send your kids to corrupt ****hole eastern bloc countries to fight for the US of Gay, be my guest.

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"US of Gay." Again, just ****ing leave if that's what you think. But, no, you won't. You'll just post on a message board and be complacent.

Im already registered for the draft bro. So what are you whining about? Im just saying if they call up for a draft to go fight a stupid war halfway around the world so that they can launder taxpayer money and pump the MIC stock prices, they can go **** themselves.

Because of my skin color and political beliefs, Dark Brandon told me that I am a threat to this country. My own government is more of a threat to me than Russia ever will be. They hate my guts.

Wake up, that was the previous persons point as well, it just went right over your head with your "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN GHEEEEEEET OUT" response.

A South Park meme come to life.

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throw your kids to go die for DCs money laundering operation, then.

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If you have somewhere you would rather live, go there. But don't call yourself a patriot. You clearly hate this country, too.

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There is no country anymore. It's an economic zone. Hth

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Cool, adios. HTH.

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I live and work in this economic zone now, just like the illegals that are invading, courtesy of the POS president you support.

And like those illegals, I have zero allegiance to the zone. If it ever benefits me more to leave the zone for a new zone, I will. You can bet your ass on that amigo.

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Pretty high level summary

https://www.military.com/history/why-john-wayne-was-labeled-draft-dodger-during-world-war-ii.html

There are better articles out there with much more details, but many of those stray into his affairs, abortion, and his general Hollywood dewshbaggery which has nothing to do with the central question)

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Dude, I'm not going to argue with your 'source' about John Wayne's character though I would encourage you to evaluate 'military.com' before attributing it in a discussion. I don't know if he was a coward or not. You stated he was a draft dodger. My response is he didn't have to dodge the draft because, as a married man, he was exempt. Link all the internet hit pieces you care to and it won't change that simple fact

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Pretty high level summary

https://www.military.com/history/why-john-wayne-was-labeled-draft-dodger-during-world-war-ii.html

There are better articles out there with much more details, but many of those stray into his affairs, abortion, and his general Hollywood dewshbaggery which has nothing to do with the central question)

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Dude, I'm not going to argue with your 'source' about John Wayne's character though I would encourage you to evaluate 'military.com' before attributing it in a discussion. I don't know if he was a coward or not. You stated he was a draft dodger. My response is he didn't have to dodge the draft because, as a married man, he was exempt. Link all the internet hit pieces you care to and it won't change that simple fact

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It's not a fact. In 1944 his draft status was changed to 1-A, like hundreds of thousands of other previously 3-A men (when the war had gotten bigger and gone on longer than the original 1-A pool could support. AFTER his status was changed to 1-A by the draft board, he had his studio pressure the draft board to change it to 2-A.

There are other hundreds sources - including his biographies - that are not "internet hit pieces" but you're not going to read them and you wouldn't believe them if they were written by John Wayne himself.

Sorry you had to find out your hero tough-guy actor was really just a run-of-the-mill Hollywood actor without and was never a hero or a tough-guy

Nope. Probably in his GTO or Trans Am or Shelby Mustang or maybe even a Hemi Cuda. Something you youngsters will sadly never experience.

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It's not a fact. In 1944 his draft status was changed to 1-A, like hundreds of thousands of other previously 3-A men (when the war had gotten bigger and gone on longer than the original 1-A pool could support. AFTER his status was changed to 1-A by the draft board, he had his studio pressure the draft board to change it to 2-A.

There are other hundreds sources - including his biographies - that are not "internet hit pieces" but you're not going to read them and you wouldn't believe them if they were written by John Wayne himself.

Sorry you had to find out your hero tough-guy actor was really just a run-of-the-mill Hollywood actor without and was never a hero or a tough-guy

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You're making this personal and referencing events that I can't find support for other than vague assertions.. John Wayne is not a personal hero of mine. If I were to have Hollywood 'heros' they would be more along the lines of Audie Murphy, Jimmy Stewart or John Ford. Men, recognized for bravery, who were close friends with John Wayne. Show me or link me something semi official about that status reclassification and I'll look into it. Otherwise, you're just shouting an unsubstantiated opinion to validate a position that you've taken with no support.

[url] https://uslaw.link/citation/stat/54/885 [/url]

Still trying to find some evidence. You can link the original statute from the link above. The IIi A classification was amended in Dec 1943 and then restored in 1945. I'm still trying to find a link to that amendment and the ramifications.

Just for the record though, if John Wayne were conscripted in 1944 as a result of this amendment, do you think he would have been assigned to the 101st ... Or rather would he have been assigned to a unit like John Ford or the 1st Motion picture unit like Ronald Reagan?

The draft does prevent the free rider problem inherent to birthright citizenship. If you aren't obligated to turn up for military service when your nation is at war, it creates a free ridership issue. That is a power that should be used only at need, I think we would agree.

I am ALL for women being given the same rights and privileges as men in fighting wars. Go for it, not just sit in AC rooms and wear cool army clothes and post on Instagram, go and actually fight a war. That will show the world how strong women are!

I have a few female friends and they keep talking about how men are keeping women out of the boardroom. They never seem to complain about how men are keeping women from the battlefield where bombs are going off and bullets are whizzing around.

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It's not a fact. In 1944 his draft status was changed to 1-A, like hundreds of thousands of other previously 3-A men (when the war had gotten bigger and gone on longer than the original 1-A pool could support. AFTER his status was changed to 1-A by the draft board, he had his studio pressure the draft board to change it to 2-A.

There are other hundreds sources - including his biographies - that are not "internet hit pieces" but you're not going to read them and you wouldn't believe them if they were written by John Wayne himself.

Sorry you had to find out your hero tough-guy actor was really just a run-of-the-mill Hollywood actor without and was never a hero or a tough-guy

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You're making this personal and referencing events that I can't find support for other than vague assertions.. John Wayne is not a personal hero of mine. If I were to have Hollywood 'heros' they would be more along the lines of Audie Murphy, Jimmy Stewart or John Ford. Men, recognized for bravery, who were close friends with John Wayne. Show me or link me something semi official about that status reclassification and I'll look into it. Otherwise, you're just shouting an unsubstantiated opinion to validate a position that you've taken with no support.

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"John Wayne: American" by Randy Roberts and James S Olson, 1995.

Written by two PhD historians - meaning they are professional researchers.

Chapter 4 details his life up to 1945

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[url] https://uslaw.link/citation/stat/54/885 [/url]

Still trying to find some evidence. You can link the original statute from the link above. The IIi A classification was amended in Dec 1943 and then restored in 1945. I'm still trying to find a link to that amendment and the ramifications.

Just for the record though, if John Wayne were conscripted in 1944 as a result of this amendment, do you think he would have been assigned to the 101st ... Or rather would he have been assigned to a unit like John Ford or the 1st Motion picture unit like Ronald Reagan?

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I don't care wher he would have been assigned. There were cooks, mechanics, and admin clerks in every unit including the 101st. I'll never denigrate anyone's role, it's whether or not you answer the call and whether you spend the rest of your life getting wealthy for something you never did

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Note to draft-age women: they can’t draft you if you’re pregnant or nursing.
💃🏿💅 https://t.co/9Z0jVhJvQ4

— Peachy Keenan (@KeenanPeachy) June 15, 2024

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Yeah newsflash here: they will change the rules as they see fit.

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For those of you who say you will never allow your kid to be drafted, what exactly are you going to do IF we have a draft and they are indeed drafted?

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My kids are Colombian citizens, so off to the south.

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Note to draft-age women: they can’t draft you if you’re pregnant or nursing.
💃🏿💅 https://t.co/9Z0jVhJvQ4

— Peachy Keenan (@KeenanPeachy) June 15, 2024

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I guess this exempts the chest feeder also.

How are some of you "patriots" going to keep your 18 year old adult descendants from reporting? Dressing your sons in drag won't work anymore, apparently.

And just like that, now everyone once again knows what a woman is! You can't make this up.

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There's never going to be a draft. This is useless legislation

Though it was always annoying that I had to show I had registered for the draft… while I was on active duty

Politicians don't want to institute a draft, and even more so they don't want a population that is engaged and has skin in their war decisions

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I really do hope and pray you are correct.

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Max Klinger is exactly the type of guy our current military brass wants more of.

As others have noted, it's already the law that men 18-26 have to register for Selective Service. Failing to do so comes with a lot of penalties, so not sure why automating the process is causing such handwringing.

When it comes to women, the only reason they haven't been required is because when Selective Service was initiated the thinking was the only reason a draft would ever be reinstated is if we got into a fight requiring mass mobilization of infantry, for which a draft would be the vehicle to generate the needed numbers, and at that time women were barred from ground combat by law, so it seemed unnecessary to require them to register. Now that the ground combat exclusion policy is no longer in effect, there is no legal basis for excluding women from the requirement to register.

Odds are we would never return to a draft, but the amount of pushback on this seems to indicate that most Americans aren't ready to see a lot of female names scrolling across the screen during the Sunday morning talk shows if we got into a real shooting match, which should give pause to all those insisting that women be permitted to fill roles in ground combat units.