Emotional Support Cobra said:
Who even buys typewriters anymore???
How else do you create punch cards?
Emotional Support Cobra said:
Who even buys typewriters anymore???
Beat40 said:
I hate to break it to you, but people are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at the office either
we were cleaning out my dad's house last year.Burdizzo said:Emotional Support Cobra said:
Who even buys typewriters anymore???
How else do you create punch cards?
HollywoodBQ said:
Sounds like either:https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/ibm-to-managers-rto-or-leave-5924172/
- They've got a lot of expensive office space that's vacant
- They want people to quit rather than have to do a layoff
- Or, productivity has fallen to levels where they need to watch people
It's going to be real interesting to see how this and similar moves by other companies play out during this election year in Biden's economy.Quote:
Effective immediately, all U.S. managers must be in-office at least three days a week, and their badge swipes will be tracked and shared with supervisors and HR, said Senior Vice President John Granger in the note. Managers who don't live within 50 miles of an IBM facility, a source told Bloomberg, must move closer by the beginning of August or "separate" from the company.
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Office attendance stayed basically flat in 2023, per data cited by Bloomberg; for the 10 largest U.S. business districts, it sat around half of pre-pandemic numbers.
samurai_science said:
Lowering headcount through attrition looks better than a mass layoff
Muy said:Aglaw97 said:
The majority of management teams do not like WFH and view a hybrid (at least three days in the office) as already being flexible. You can have debates about whether that makes sense, whether it works in your job, etc. but it doesn't change the reality.
Like most things, nobody wanted to be the first mover on throwing down this hammer but now that companies have started doing it, more and more will follow suit.
The majority of management? I guess it depends on the industry but in tech the majority of managers WFH as well.
96AgGrad said:
I do think it is hard to create an effective culture remotely. One company I was at managed to do it, but it essentially required the international team to travel and meet periodically to build that rapport.
Deputy Travis Junior said:Beat40 said:
I hate to break it to you, but people are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at the office either
This is the truth right here. Office Space with its jokes about office slackers wasn't filmed in 2020.
I do think WFH should be reserved for people with experience that have proven they know what the hell they're doing and are mature enough to stay on task. If you have people like that, give them enough work to keep them busy and then let them do their thing. Letting 24 year old newbies do it is probably a mistake.
Agree. "Culture" is overrated, especially in a multi-national mega corporation. Culture is great for a startup with less than 100 people where you want everyone to hang out with each other after work, etc. In today's world though it has limited benefit for most companies.infinity ag said:96AgGrad said:
I do think it is hard to create an effective culture remotely. One company I was at managed to do it, but it essentially required the international team to travel and meet periodically to build that rapport.
Why is it important? As long as people are not toxic, it does not matter. I have worked at both awesome and toxic places both remotely. One I hated, other my best job. And I never saw/met any of these people in real life.
All this is 60s thinking.
infinity ag said:Muy said:Aglaw97 said:
The majority of management teams do not like WFH and view a hybrid (at least three days in the office) as already being flexible. You can have debates about whether that makes sense, whether it works in your job, etc. but it doesn't change the reality.
Like most things, nobody wanted to be the first mover on throwing down this hammer but now that companies have started doing it, more and more will follow suit.
The majority of management? I guess it depends on the industry but in tech the majority of managers WFH as well.
I am in tech and in my previous job, my boss would have status calls with me from a San Francisco park. And he would pan his laptop cam around so I could see the surroundings.
javajaws said:Agree. "Culture" is overrated, especially in a multi-national mega corporation. Culture is great for a startup with less than 100 people where you want everyone to hang out with each other after work, etc. In today's world though it has limited benefit for most companies.infinity ag said:96AgGrad said:
I do think it is hard to create an effective culture remotely. One company I was at managed to do it, but it essentially required the international team to travel and meet periodically to build that rapport.
Why is it important? As long as people are not toxic, it does not matter. I have worked at both awesome and toxic places both remotely. One I hated, other my best job. And I never saw/met any of these people in real life.
All this is 60s thinking.
Muy said:Aglaw97 said:
The majority of management teams do not like WFH and view a hybrid (at least three days in the office) as already being flexible. You can have debates about whether that makes sense, whether it works in your job, etc. but it doesn't change the reality.
Like most things, nobody wanted to be the first mover on throwing down this hammer but now that companies have started doing it, more and more will follow suit.
The majority of management? I guess it depends on the industry but in tech the majority of managers WFH as well.
I literally turned down a really good engineering job today doing modeling and simulation. Fully remote other than some travel to install sites and the HIL/SIL occasionally.NASAg03 said:Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
Ok boomer.
I've been working remote the past 4 years and have seen my salary raise 60% in that time, while starting my own consulting business, helping start a robotics company with 4 other remote guys spanning the US, and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
And that company I helped start is now 40 strong and majority remote.
If you need to be supervised to work efficiently, then that's not efficient as it requires many more resources. Instead rethink your culture and business model.
Hybrid is the perfect arrangement in a post covid world. Make folks come to the office Tuesday - Thursday and give them 4 days in a row at home. It's good for traffic and good for people to recharge.Aglaw97 said:
The majority of management teams do not like WFH and view a hybrid (at least three days in the office) as already being flexible. You can have debates about whether that makes sense, whether it works in your job, etc. but it doesn't change the reality.
Like most things, nobody wanted to be the first mover on throwing down this hammer but now that companies have started doing it, more and more will follow suit.
Ayto Siks said:
Their most talented employees will have viable WFH alternatives and IBM might end up retaining the mediocre performers with limited options.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Y'all goin' dark side?Quote:
and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
The old guard who sign the checks is butt hurt because people don't suck up to them as much or give them back rubs as frequently from home. It's not enough for them to be the big shot, they want to feel like a big shot and rub other folks noses in it.JDL 96 said:
Is "corporate culture" from being in the office really important? Why?
Is the main purpose so old guys who like being in the office can pretend to have a good culture or like it?
This is a real danger in Tech.Ayto Siks said:
Their most talented employees will have viable WFH alternatives and IBM might end up retaining the mediocre performers with limited options.
I'm not trying to change the subject. The nasa dude was admitting to stealing his employer's time, which I am guessing he would not do if he were in his office. I have enough trouble with lazy employees in the office. If they were at home, they would do nothing.schmellba99 said:Way to try to change the subject, but you do you and rock on with it.Ellis Wyatt said:This guy is admitting that he is stealing his employer's time. Seems like employers are right to want their employees in the office with oversight.schmellba99 said:
Yeah.....because EVERY job and EVERY industry is EXACTLY the same in how they operate. EXACTLY the same.
You and your buddies can pull it off - good for you, it works. But here's a bit of a hint - if people were to be truly honest, WFH is a reduction in efficiency and productivity, and you 100% miss out on the day to day interaction with your other coworkers and team members.
Of course they aren't. But that 6 hours in the office is 3 hours at home.Beat40 said:I hate to break it to you, but people are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at the office either.Ellis Wyatt said:
I cannot believe there are people who are still working from home because of the covid hysteria. If an employer has determined WFH is good for them, more power to them. Otherwise, go the hell back to the office. People are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at home.
Now, I happen to agree with your overall sentiment. Some people cannot handle WFH and they are going to let too many distractions keep them from being productive, but that definitely happens at the office too.