GAC06 said:

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The easy choice would have been to wait. The choice best for the country was to challenge Trump and give conservatives a way forward.

Unfortunately the Jonestown crew are all in, and it may lead to more democrat rule.

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Trump won the Iowa Republican caucuses with strong support from White evangelicals and very conservative voters key voting blocs in these caucuses and groups he lost in 2016 when voters were less convinced of his conservative credentials, according interviews with caucus-goers as they went in.

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Science Denier said:

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? . . .

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bmks270 said:

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DeSantis is a weak orator.

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Rockdoc said:

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bmks270 said:

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DeSantis is a weak orator.

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I'm m beginning to lean this way. He just couldn't make the connection to the people.

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TRM said:

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• Poor timing on announcement. Should have kneecapped some of the lesser tier candidates to have a smaller debate stages (Thanks Ronna)
• The failed Twitter campaign launch.
• The rise of Haley kept DeSantis from getting the anti-Trump vote
• Failure to win a majority of the pro-Trump policy voters (Vivek did his part here)

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The Twitter problem was on Twitter ****ing up.

And it was obvious that Ronna was doing everything she could to rig it for Trump, and Vivek was there to take away voted from DeSantis or any other actual conservative. Snake oil still sells.

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rocky the dog said:

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Once upon a time...

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PA24 said:

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DeSantis listen to the wrong people, he made a terrible mistake. Florida will not forgive him in the next election.


if he had followed Abbott's lead and help unify the incumbent's position rather than challenge him,…..not very smart on his part.

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Finn said:

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Ron received bad advice to get into this race to begin with and should have sat this election out. It was not his time.

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bmks270 said:

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DeSantis is a weak orator.

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He is a little too wonkish for most.

He's great off the cuff, not so good at connecting on a debate stage

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aggiehawg said:

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PA24 said:

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DeSantis listen to the wrong people, he made a terrible mistake. Florida will not forgive him in the next election.


if he had followed Abbott's lead and help unify the incumbent's position rather than challenge him,…..not very smart on his part.

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DeSantis is term limited for governor.

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Science Denier said:

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.

He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.

And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.

And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.

He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.

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Science Denier said:

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? . . .

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I think once he threw his hat in the ring no amount trying to hug it out was going to work. Aim for the king better not miss, etc.

At least Ted Cruz isn't being accused of cheating or his family being linked to JFK''s assassin this go round. That's kind of like hugging it out.

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PA24 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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PA24 said:

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DeSantis listen to the wrong people, he made a terrible mistake. Florida will not forgive him in the next election.


if he had followed Abbott's lead and help unify the incumbent's position rather than challenge him,…..not very smart on his part.

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DeSantis is term limited for governor.

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Thanks, I don't know anything about the guy other than he is not very loyal to the incumbent.

Now, He couldn't win dog catcher in a red state.

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Finn said:

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Ron received bad advice to get into this race to begin with and should have sat this election out. It was not his time.

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The only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thought Trump's legal issues would force Trump to withdraw and DeSantis would be ready to take the nomination.

What's truly baffling is Haley's rise to even or ahead of DeSantis
She's not that good of a politician,
has no built in constituency ,
has no policy points that she is winning on
is not really a conservative and
she is probably going to get to the convention with the second most delegates

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Trump was never going to support Ron in any capacity. By even running against him he challenged Don's ego.

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And he will never be accepted by MAGA voters. So, when Trump, Jr. takes the grift over from Dad in 2028, you'll just him drop meme bombs and gotcha posts on DeSantis and MAGA will continue to clobber him if he chooses to run against the Dear Family ever again.

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His first election, he asked Trump for support and Trumps suppr helped him win.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/politics/elections/local/2018/08/29/desantis-rides-trump-endorsement-to-win/10902439007/

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President Donald Trump's endorsement lifted U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis to victory in Florida's Republican primary for governor Tuesday and abruptly halted the long rise of Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, for years a darling of the state's GOP establishment.

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Your statement is just flat wrong.

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bmks270 said:

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DeSantis is a weak orator.

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He is a little too wonkish for most.

He's great off the cuff, not so good at connecting on a debate stage

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I think for better or worse he's a policy nerd and that's all that he cares about, and he refuses to get into the low brow meme bs that Trump brings to table (just look how that worked for Rubio in '16). That doesn't work currently when a big chunk of the electorate doesn't care about policy and just wants yell "owned!!!" at people on the internet. It is what it is but will hopefully go back to normal after '24.

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Ags77 said:

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Does either DeSantis or Haley have to hang around to see if Trump gets convicted (s) ? Or will that not matter, anyway ?

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Science Denier said:

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Science Denier said:

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? . . .

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I think once he threw his hat in the ring no amount trying to hug it out was going to work. Aim for the king better not miss, etc.

At least Ted Cruz isn't being accused of cheating or his family being linked to JFK''s assassin this go round. That's kind of like hugging it out.

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So, is he going to ask Haley to be his VP candidate?

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halfastros81 said:

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Reagan didn't win the nom in his first attempt . I think a candidate as strong and qualified as Desantis will have a good shot in 2028.

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Rapier108 said:

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bmks270 said:

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DeSantis is a weak orator.

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I'm m beginning to lean this way. He just couldn't make the connection to the people.

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So we need someone who is as cognitive/coherent as Biden was in 2020 and mostly talks about infantile nicknames?

That is why this country has become Idiocracy.

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shiftyandquick said:

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again, F16 can't see the obvious:

1. DeSantis has no charisma, no charm, no personal touch, not likeable

I agree aomehwat

2. His campaign themes were negative. I'm fighting against WOKE a/b/c. No positive vision he could articulate and have that message break through the noise.

Negative far outperforms positive

3. Unlikeable to women.
I've only seem evidence to the contrary, at least Ina Trump vs desantis matchup. I dont think any republican male plays well to suburban women in the current moment

4. Chose the lane of "MAGA voters who won't vote for Trump." Which is probably less than 10% of the GOP. He turned off Never Trumpers, he turned off traditional GOP foreign policy people.

Are you suggesting he should have went more Haley in foreign affairs?

5. He didn't run a mean, lean campaign. He was profligate. And he ran out of money quick. He's 'going to be really fiscally consevative, but he can't even manage the money in his campaign.

No doubt his campaign was poorly run, but his state budgets shows he can run a govt bureaucracy just fine

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