Exactly…..and lot of those Middle Eastern pilots struggle with taking commands from women instructor pilots and women controllers. You're probably familiar with the double fatality crash that occurred a couple of years ago at Gainesville which was a Middle Eastern, male student with a female instructor….from that flight school in Denton practicing maneuvers at the Gainesville field. The educated speculation ( there is no box in small aircraft) is that the student refused to cede control of the aircraft to the instructor when he began having problems. Rumor has it that some instructors now carry weapons in order to avoid similar occurrences.Tramp96 said:
A lot, and I mean a lot, of Middle Easterns do their pilot training at Denton. The training facility there has vans that go all over Denton to pick up the students. Always full...and to a person they are all of Middle East origin.
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Thats just a straight shooter with upper mgmt written all over her.
Not to rain on anyone's parade and I'm unsure how Denton Airport operates, but I don't believe this is an FAA position. These municipal airports do their own hires and are usually staffed by ATC's who couldn't cut it with the FAA or by retirees as I believe the required retirement age of ATCs is 56. So a lot of ATCs leave the radar room or tower and get their full retirement/pension and then work another 5 years with better hours at a muni airport.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
Lordy, there's an online petition to have her removed.
Edit: NM. I got threads mixed up.
Legal Custodian said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade and I'm unsure how Denton Airport operates, but I don't believe this is an FAA position. These municipal airports do their own hires and are usually staffed by ATC's who couldn't cut it with the FAA or by retirees as I believe the required retirement age of ATCs is 56. So a lot of ATCs leave the radar room or tower and get their full retirement/pension and then work another 5 years with better hours at a muni airport.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
But the key word here is "Denton".
Whether FAA or local hire, odds are good that in Denton it would be a DEI hire. The City of Denton is the ugly blue dot in the middle of the red Denton County.
Very well aware as I live here...Denton is weird. And I'm not talking Austin in the early-mid 2000s weird where it's heavy indy music and hipsterish vibes. I'm talking the entire student population and staff seem to be taking mushrooms 24/7 weird.Tramp96 said:Legal Custodian said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade and I'm unsure how Denton Airport operates, but I don't believe this is an FAA position. These municipal airports do their own hires and are usually staffed by ATC's who couldn't cut it with the FAA or by retirees as I believe the required retirement age of ATCs is 56. So a lot of ATCs leave the radar room or tower and get their full retirement/pension and then work another 5 years with better hours at a muni airport.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
But the key word here is "Denton".
Whether FAA or local hire, odds are good that in Denton it would be a DEI hire. The City of Denton is the ugly blue dot in the middle of the red Denton County.
And I just looked it up and the Advisory board does indeed report to the city council. So it would not shock me in the slightest if you're correct.
I was just unaware if this was a privately run airport or if the city was involved and I wanted to give depth to how this stuff is normally staffed.
The pilot and the controller are both right and both wrong.
A "short approach" is one where you begin your final turn much earlier than normal. Normal is about 1/2 to one mile upwind from the numbers. A short approach is when you begin your turn shorter than that, as early as the numbers.
She is correct that a short approach can be at the numbers/threshold. She is wrong that it has to be at the numbers. It is just shorter than normal.
He is right that it is not necessarily at the numbers. He is wrong that it is only for a simulated/actual power off landing. You can make a short approach to ensure spacing in front of another inbound aircraft as well.
A "short approach" is one where you begin your final turn much earlier than normal. Normal is about 1/2 to one mile upwind from the numbers. A short approach is when you begin your turn shorter than that, as early as the numbers.
She is correct that a short approach can be at the numbers/threshold. She is wrong that it has to be at the numbers. It is just shorter than normal.
He is right that it is not necessarily at the numbers. He is wrong that it is only for a simulated/actual power off landing. You can make a short approach to ensure spacing in front of another inbound aircraft as well.
"A is A”
Incompetency usually gets promoted.CDUB98 said:Wow, you know it's bad if it goes to this level.FinanceWildcat said:
Good old DTO. She's notorious for being argumentative, condescending, harsh for no reason, and unwilling to help those who aren't 110% familiar with her airport and all of the nuances like obscure waypoints (argyle water tower, Peter built factory, 380 and the railroad tracks).
There's an entire Instagram page dedicated to that tower, but it's mainly her:
https://www.instagram.com/use_your_callsign?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Yet, incompetency stays in place...for some reason.
Legal Custodian said:Very well aware as I live here...Denton is weird. And I'm not talking Austin in the early-mid 2000s weird where it's heavy indy music and hipsterish vibes. I'm talking the entire student population and staff seem to be taking mushrooms 24/7 weird.Tramp96 said:Legal Custodian said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade and I'm unsure how Denton Airport operates, but I don't believe this is an FAA position. These municipal airports do their own hires and are usually staffed by ATC's who couldn't cut it with the FAA or by retirees as I believe the required retirement age of ATCs is 56. So a lot of ATCs leave the radar room or tower and get their full retirement/pension and then work another 5 years with better hours at a muni airport.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
But the key word here is "Denton".
Whether FAA or local hire, odds are good that in Denton it would be a DEI hire. The City of Denton is the ugly blue dot in the middle of the red Denton County.
And I just looked it up and the Advisory board does indeed report to the city council. So it would not shock me in the slightest if you're correct.
I was just unaware if this was a privately run airport or if the city was involved and I wanted to give depth to how this stuff is normally staffed.
I moved a whopping 3 miles to Corinth about 6 years ago. World of refreshing difference between Denton city policies and Corinth's.
And the homeless population in Denton is completely out of control.
91Challenger said:
The pilot and the controller are both right and both wrong.
A "short approach" is one where you begin your final turn much earlier than normal. Normal is about 1/2 to one mile upwind from the numbers. A short approach is when you begin your turn shorter than that, as early as the numbers.
She is correct that a short approach can be at the numbers/threshold. She is wrong that it has to be at the numbers. It is just shorter than normal.
He is right that it is not necessarily at the numbers. He is wrong that it is only for a simulated/actual power off landing. You can make a short approach to ensure spacing in front of another inbound aircraft as well.
But we're angry and terrified
CDUB98 said:You lookin' for a date or something?annie88 said:Um ... interesting.Tramp96 said:
A lot, and I mean a lot, of Middle Easterns do their pilot training at Denton. The training facility there has vans that go all over Denton to pick up the students. Always full...and to a person they are all of Middle East origin.
No, thinking a little more about 9/11.
Not sure where many of them trained, or if even in the United States,. And yes, I know that's stereotyping.
“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
Under-rated post.Madman said:
Thats just a straight shooter with upper mgmt written all over her.
I was joking with you.
Actually, these controllers do not work for the FAA. They could be a former military controller or retired FAA controller however, at some point she was certified by the FAA. The city of Denton does not hire these controllers nor do most contract facilities. They are hired by contractor RVA, Robinson Aviation.Legal Custodian said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade and I'm unsure how Denton Airport operates, but I don't believe this is an FAA position. These municipal airports do their own hires and are usually staffed by ATC's who couldn't cut it with the FAA or by retirees as I believe the required retirement age of ATCs is 56. So a lot of ATCs leave the radar room or tower and get their full retirement/pension and then work another 5 years with better hours at a muni airport.
Source: Dad, 3 uncles, and Grandpa were ATCs and my other Grandad was a pilot.
This controller has always been combative, even while working for the FAA. How would I know? I am a former FAA controller and had some interactions with her.
Controllers should never tell a pilot how to fly their aircraft. The PIC is the final authority for that aircraft. period and end of topic!!
CDUB98 said:
I was joking with you.
Yeah, I figured that. But if I wanted a date, I'd hang out more at sports facilities.
“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
GAC06 said:91Challenger said:
The pilot and the controller are both right and both wrong.
A "short approach" is one where you begin your final turn much earlier than normal. Normal is about 1/2 to one mile upwind from the numbers. A short approach is when you begin your turn shorter than that, as early as the numbers.
She is correct that a short approach can be at the numbers/threshold. She is wrong that it has to be at the numbers. It is just shorter than normal.
He is right that it is not necessarily at the numbers. He is wrong that it is only for a simulated/actual power off landing. You can make a short approach to ensure spacing in front of another inbound aircraft as well.
But we're angry and terrified
You're going so overboard with this it's amusing and you seem to be having a good time embarrassing yourself so I won't stop you.
Good luck with your next flight. I hope it isn't a DEI hire or someone googling how to do their job either behind the controls or in the tower.
I fly all the time, and I rarely worry about it, nor will I now, but it does make me wonder who the hell is sitting behind the wall but I hear crap like this.
“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
Yeah, I'm the one going overboard here. I'll let my first response or reference to you on this thread also be the last.
GAC06 said:
Yeah, I'm the one going overboard here. I'll let my first response or reference to you on this thread also be the last.
It was a simple tweet with an audio of the incident, and you got all upset about the word terrifying. And now you're taking your toys and stomping off.
Have a good day. Don't trip over the edge of the sandbox on your way out.
Oh, wait, you're not talking to me anymore.
“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
That would have been long, long before any sort of diversity hiring imitative,HarleySpoon said:
Have a commercial pilot friend that flies out of that airport fairly often. Sent this to him and he responded with a picture of her in the tower there.
- about 55
- grey hair
- pretty large
Looks like a church choir member.
ETA: 14 minutes after OP. Texags knows things.
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Madman said:
Thats just a straight shooter with upper mgmt written all over her.
Trump will fix it.
Tramp96 said:
A lot, and I mean a lot, of Middle Easterns do their pilot training at Denton. The training facility there has vans that go all over Denton to pick up the students. Always full...and to a person they are all of Middle East origin.
The students all sounded Chinese in the videos on that Instagram page. I'm surprised you don't hear them if this is the case.
GAC06 said:
"Terrifying"? LOL.
"You'll land, probably, at midfield"
Yea, that would be terrifying if you were on that plane. Aviation as an industry hasn't avoided a fatal commercial crash for over a decade by "probably" touching down on the runway
Why? Because you assume too much like thinking this woman has worked there her whole life?Bubblez said:That would have been long, long before any sort of diversity hiring imitative,HarleySpoon said:
Have a commercial pilot friend that flies out of that airport fairly often. Sent this to him and he responded with a picture of her in the tower there.
- about 55
- grey hair
- pretty large
Looks like a church choir member.
ETA: 14 minutes after OP. Texags knows things.
For ATC, you can't start training after you turned 30.
Do you even flight sim bro?
If there's ever an incident they'll say that the lady was distracted and out of sorts due to cyberbullying.
agracer said:this needs more blue stars...CDUB98 said:
But what if the plane landed on a conveyor....?
I would argue it got the exact amount of blue stars that it deserved.
Pilot: which runway do I land?
ATC: oh I don't know… you decide
ATC: oh I don't know… you decide
Well, I've never considered you a deep thinker.Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:agracer said:this needs more blue stars...CDUB98 said:
But what if the plane landed on a conveyor....?
I would argue it got the exact amount of blue stars that it deserved.
Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and, sort of, disagree with you there.Madman said:
Thats just a straight shooter with upper mgmt written all over her.
that wasn't a hertorrid said:I think I got lap dance from her last week.HumpitPuryear said:
I'm picturing someone with some shade of neon hair, gaudy hello kitty tattoos and face piercings when I listen to that. Pilots really are cool cucumbers though.
lol. Middle eastern families would just look at Annie's dad, roll their eyes, and snidely remark, "you call that a dowry?"CDUB98 said:You lookin' for a date or something?annie88 said:Um ... interesting.Tramp96 said:
A lot, and I mean a lot, of Middle Easterns do their pilot training at Denton. The training facility there has vans that go all over Denton to pick up the students. Always full...and to a person they are all of Middle East origin.
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