Logos Stick said:

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Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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CKS690H was told conflicting things.

The last thing from ATC before they started rolling was "traffic on the intersecting runway is holding"

Which was not true. Traffic on the intersecting runway was coming in to land.

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Where was "CKS690H cleared for takeoff" in that statement? It was absent. CKS690H took off without clearance, full stop.

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Are you a pilot? He wasn't on the runway at that point. Why would she give him a cleared for take off at that point?

Also, I asked how you know the pilot was white? And how you know he ignored the instructions?

Can you enlighten me?

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Pilots are told to line up and wait to speed things up so they'll be ready to go immediately once they are given takeoff clearance. Very, very common practice. Though, this pilot wrongly anticipated getting takeoff clearance and rolled down the runway.

annie88 said:

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91Challenger said:

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The pilot and the controller are both right and both wrong.

A "short approach" is one where you begin your final turn much earlier than normal. Normal is about 1/2 to one mile upwind from the numbers. A short approach is when you begin your turn shorter than that, as early as the numbers.

She is correct that a short approach can be at the numbers/threshold. She is wrong that it has to be at the numbers. It is just shorter than normal.

He is right that it is not necessarily at the numbers. He is wrong that it is only for a simulated/actual power off landing. You can make a short approach to ensure spacing in front of another inbound aircraft as well.

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But we're angry and terrified

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You're going so overboard with this it's amusing and you seem to be having a good time embarrassing yourself so I won't stop you.

Good luck with your next flight. I hope it isn't a DEI hire or someone googling how to do their job either behind the controls or in the tower.

I fly all the time, and I rarely worry about it, nor will I now, but it does make me wonder who the hell is sitting behind the wall but I hear crap like this.

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BluHorseShu said:

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CDUB98 said:

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I'd put $50 bucks on it being a DEI hire.

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I'm not worried about it being a woman...I'm worried they've laxed their training all around due to the extreme shortage of ATCs.

Even if she is a DEI hire, they all are "supposed" to go through rigorous training before they're even allowed to manage flights. Even when Reagan fire all the ATCs on strike they were able to ramp back up quickly but still with the training.

On a side note though....each airport can be different. My dad flew for the airlines and back in the 90's he called the tower to report as incoming late one night (MD-88) and couldn't get a response. Turned out the ATC had fallen asleep in another room while cleaning his guns. The pilots still know how to land at uncontrolled airports if necessary.

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It toolk years to recover from the firing of PATCO controllers. We had several good years and them things never caught especially at the bigger facilities. Staffing is still a problem at larger facilities.

Agree... I fly fairly often for work and I have always assumed the airlines have VERY stringent rules and criteria for their pilots: training, testing, health, mental health, more training, evaluations, etc... and that standards are equally very high and unbending.

This is what put me at ease in the past that I didn't need to see a pilot resume. The airline deemed this guy or gal a qualified pilot. We're all good here.

The past 4-5 years I've gotten a lot more curious about pilot resumes and what those might actually look like with respect to education, veteran status, credentials, flight evals, etc.

They're only 3D bus drivers.

Logos Stick said:

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You don't understand what a dei hire is.

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You don't understand what I wrote.

Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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CKS690H was told conflicting things.

The last thing from ATC before they started rolling was "traffic on the intersecting runway is holding"

Which was not true. Traffic on the intersecting runway was coming in to land.

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Where was "CKS690H cleared for takeoff" in that statement? It was absent. CKS690H took off without clearance, full stop.

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I don't know nothing about no flying stuff, but zhe used "full stop". Must be an expert.