CDUB98 said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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agracer said:

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CDUB98 said:

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But what if the plane landed on a conveyor....?

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this needs more blue stars...

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I would argue it got the exact amount of blue stars that it deserved.

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Well, I've never considered you a deep thinker.

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You were correct on that!

And my response was kind of deep…if you think about it hard enough.

Flight schools have a large contingent of foreign pilots that barely speak english. Many do not comply with ATC instructions and do whatever the heck they want. It is without a doubt, one of the most challenging things to deal with. Flight schools should be fined big bucks for these events.

You have to be hired by age 30, but there could be issues with class dates etc that push you past age 30. Also, military controllers can recieve an exemption to age 36-38. I cant remember the exact details or the process.

I will tell you guys, this is a damn good career field. Excellent pay retirement etc. Most controllers are really good however, there is definitely 15-20% that should be digging ditches. Its not for everyone!!

agAngeldad said:

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Flight schools have a large contingent of foreign pilots that barely speak english. Many do not comply with ATC instructions and do whatever the heck they want. It is without a doubt, one of the most challenging things to deal with. Flight schools should be fined big bucks for these events.

You have to be hired by age 30, but there could be issues with class dates etc that push you past age 30. Also, military controllers can recieve an exemption to age 36-38. I cant remember the exact details or the process.

I will tell you guys, this is a damn good career field. Excellent pay retirement etc. Most controllers are really good however, there is definitely 15-20% that should be digging ditches. Its not for everyone!!

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An air traffic controller tried to convince me to apply back in the 1970s, but I was more interested in math.

It would have been interesting if I had become an air traffic controller back then. I can't imagine myself going on strike (too strong a sense of duty) so I would have been extremely likely to be one of the air traffic controllers who worked through the strike.

eric76 said:

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agAngeldad said:

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Flight schools have a large contingent of foreign pilots that barely speak english. Many do not comply with ATC instructions and do whatever the heck they want. It is without a doubt, one of the most challenging things to deal with. Flight schools should be fined big bucks for these events.

You have to be hired by age 30, but there could be issues with class dates etc that push you past age 30. Also, military controllers can recieve an exemption to age 36-38. I cant remember the exact details or the process.

I will tell you guys, this is a damn good career field. Excellent pay retirement etc. Most controllers are really good however, there is definitely 15-20% that should be digging ditches. Its not for everyone!!

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An air traffic controller tried to convince me to apply back in the 1970s, but I was more interested in math.

It would have been interesting if I had become an air traffic controller back then. I can't imagine myself going on strike (too strong a sense of duty) so I would probably have been one of the air traffic controllers who worked through the strike.

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That would have been difficult. I was in the AF at the time and was a direct hire. I lost many good friends over the strike. PATCO was very strong. A few got their jobs back and others went to contract jobs, but there was inly a few in 80's. My trainer was a fired and rehired controller. Knew how to play the game. He was a damn good trainer and is the reason i had a successful career.

agAngeldad said:

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eric76 said:

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agAngeldad said:

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Flight schools have a large contingent of foreign pilots that barely speak english. Many do not comply with ATC instructions and do whatever the heck they want. It is without a doubt, one of the most challenging things to deal with. Flight schools should be fined big bucks for these events.

You have to be hired by age 30, but there could be issues with class dates etc that push you past age 30. Also, military controllers can recieve an exemption to age 36-38. I cant remember the exact details or the process.

I will tell you guys, this is a damn good career field. Excellent pay retirement etc. Most controllers are really good however, there is definitely 15-20% that should be digging ditches. Its not for everyone!!

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An air traffic controller tried to convince me to apply back in the 1970s, but I was more interested in math.

It would have been interesting if I had become an air traffic controller back then. I can't imagine myself going on strike (too strong a sense of duty) so I would probably have been one of the air traffic controllers who worked through the strike.

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That would have been difficult. I was in the AF at the time and was a direct hire. I lost many good friends over the strike. PATCO was very strong. A few got their jobs back and others went to contract jobs, but there was inly a few in 80's. My trainer was a fired and rehired controller. Knew how to play the game. He was a damn good trainer and is the reason i had a successful career.

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Was PATCO membership mandatory?

annie88 said:

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Holy crap what is happening to our friendly skies?

In case you’re wondering what @Alaskaair has been focusing on, it’s diversity & inclusion, making their planes gay, and having drag queen flight attendants.

If you’re on an Alaska plane, just pray their diversity hires don’t screw up and they’re putting this same energy into… pic.twitter.com/xg41yL9UYQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 11, 2024

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I would say "what if there were children on the plane", but I guess that's the point.

Wow. Thanks, Alaska Airlines, for letting us know that there might be gay people (especially in cabin crews) on commercial airlines!

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A lot, and I mean a lot, of Middle Easterns do their pilot training at Denton. The training facility there has vans that go all over Denton to pick up the students. Always full...and to a person they are all of Middle East origin.

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Um ... interesting.

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You lookin' for a date or something?

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lol. Middle eastern families would just look at Annie's dad, roll their eyes, and snidely remark, "you call that a dowry?"

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Well, my father passed away six years ago and he was a wonderful man.

And I retired at 50 because I had enough money and have more now, so I'm good.

Plus, I don't have any goats.

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I'm picturing someone with some shade of neon hair, gaudy hello kitty tattoos and face piercings when I listen to that. Pilots really are cool cucumbers though.

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I think I got lap dance from her last week.

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that wasn't a her

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she could short turn my base anytime she wants.....

I have flown into Denton but it's been a number of years. Typically a pilot would contact ATC and make a request to practice an engine failure approach and ask if they could accommodate him in the pattern for such.
Kinda their descretion depending on conditions, air traffic at the time, etc. My instructor would do it quite often and was always accommodated. Maybe not just that moment, but ATC would always work with you.
I did my training at New Braunfels and would practice dead stick landings there as it was an uncontrolled airport.
But my instructor made me also practice it at SAT so I would get the training in controlled airspace under ATC.
I would make the request to ATC. They would either accommodate me right then or make me hold for a bit and always work me in.
This lady sounds like she is on a power trip. At the end of the day she works for the pilot imho.

Texags delivers again. Found ATC Karen that is a safety hazard here and IG "influencer" in Austin during CFP game thread. Good work, all!

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diversity is our strength

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dibersity finna be r skrenth.

Just wait United until makes good on its promise to hire 2500 of these DEI hires and puts them in the pilot seats of their planes, including yours !!

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/united-will-train-5000-pilots-by-2030-half-to-be-women-or-minorities/143185.article

I thought this was a Kamala Harris impersonator.

eric76 said:

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agAngeldad said:

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eric76 said:

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agAngeldad said:

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Flight schools have a large contingent of foreign pilots that barely speak english. Many do not comply with ATC instructions and do whatever the heck they want. It is without a doubt, one of the most challenging things to deal with. Flight schools should be fined big bucks for these events.

You have to be hired by age 30, but there could be issues with class dates etc that push you past age 30. Also, military controllers can recieve an exemption to age 36-38. I cant remember the exact details or the process.

I will tell you guys, this is a damn good career field. Excellent pay retirement etc. Most controllers are really good however, there is definitely 15-20% that should be digging ditches. Its not for everyone!!

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An air traffic controller tried to convince me to apply back in the 1970s, but I was more interested in math.

It would have been interesting if I had become an air traffic controller back then. I can't imagine myself going on strike (too strong a sense of duty) so I would probably have been one of the air traffic controllers who worked through the strike.

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That would have been difficult. I was in the AF at the time and was a direct hire. I lost many good friends over the strike. PATCO was very strong. A few got their jobs back and others went to contract jobs, but there was inly a few in 80's. My trainer was a fired and rehired controller. Knew how to play the game. He was a damn good trainer and is the reason i had a successful career.

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Was PATCO membership mandatory?

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No. however you would not have checked out. The current union NATCA, isn't as strong and you could get by with it. The problem is, to transfer from one facility to another (promotion "ish"), you need NACTA's support. Really a screwed up process.

Most controllers stay in NATCA until they get to the level of facility or location they want to be at and then quite it they don't like the union. FAA needs a check and balance and NATCA provides that. Problem is the FAA lets NATACA make way to many decisions can call it collaboration.

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Good old DTO. She's notorious for being argumentative, condescending, harsh for no reason, and unwilling to help those who aren't 110% familiar with her airport and all of the nuances like obscure waypoints (argyle water tower, Peter built factory, 380 and the railroad tracks).

There's an entire Instagram page dedicated to that tower, but it's mainly her:

https://www.instagram.com/use_your_callsign?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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That's hilarious.

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Have a commercial pilot friend that flies out of that airport fairly often. Sent this to him and he responded with a picture of her in the tower there.

- about 55
- grey hair
- pretty large

Looks like a church choir member.

ETA: 14 minutes after OP. Texags knows things.

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That would have been long, long before any sort of diversity hiring imitative,

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Keep this up and she gettin cast in Top gun 3.

Didn't work for Kelly McGillis

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Pilot: which runway do I land?

ATC: oh I don't know… you decide

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…but not that one.

Bad attitudes out of ATC has become an issue for a long time.

Then you get the idiot pilots who fly into a class bravo and tell the ATC "I asked you for clearance and you didn't give it, tough"

Here;'s a longer version of the same event:

White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

How do you know he was white? How do you know he ignored the instructions?

No one has ever claimed that non DEI pilots don't make mistakes.

Just what this thread needed, a whataboutism. Pathetic.

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I'd put $50 bucks on it being a DEI hire.

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I'm not worried about it being a woman...I'm worried they've laxed their training all around due to the extreme shortage of ATCs.

Even if she is a DEI hire, they all are "supposed" to go through rigorous training before they're even allowed to manage flights. Even when Reagan fire all the ATCs on strike they were able to ramp back up quickly but still with the training.

On a side note though....each airport can be different. My dad flew for the airlines and back in the 90's he called the tower to report as incoming late one night (MD-88) and couldn't get a response. Turned out the ATC had fallen asleep in another room while cleaning his guns. The pilots still know how to land at uncontrolled airports if necessary.

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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Good question..I'm not familiar with all.the lingo, but she did say that. The ATC screwed up it seems.

I look forward to bubblez coming back and enlightening us.

You don't understand what a dei hire is.

TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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Lol, they were also told that traffic is holding on the intersecting runway right after that.

I know you're desperate for a narrative, but that's what happened.

Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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CKS690H was told conflicting things.

The last thing from ATC before they started rolling was "traffic on the intersecting runway is holding"

Which was not true. Traffic on the intersecting runway was coming in to land.

TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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CKS690H was told conflicting things.

The last thing from ATC before they started rolling was "traffic on the intersecting runway is holding"

Which was not true. Traffic on the intersecting runway was coming in to land.

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Where was "CKS690H cleared for takeoff" in that statement? It was absent. CKS690H took off without clearance, full stop.

Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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CKS690H was told conflicting things.

The last thing from ATC before they started rolling was "traffic on the intersecting runway is holding"

Which was not true. Traffic on the intersecting runway was coming in to land.

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Where was "CKS690H cleared for takeoff" in that statement? It was absent. CKS690H took off without clearance, full stop.

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Are you a pilot? He wasn't on the runway at that point. Why would she give him a cleared for take off at that point?

Also, I asked how you know the pilot was white? And how you know he ignored the instructions?

Can you enlighten me?

Bubblez said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Bubblez said:

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White male pilot ignores clear instructions from a female ATC, nearly collides with another aircraft piloted by a female.

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So ATC says line up & wait for traffic on the intersecting runway 2mi out, CKS690H confirms, then ATC immediately tells CKS690H traffic on the intersecting runway is holding.

Wasn't ATC supposed to tell EDV5117 that traffic was holding?

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CKS690H was told to line up and wait. CKS690H then proceeds to roll down the runway for takeoff without clearance.

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Note that they also read back the line up and wait but didn't read anything back that they interpreted as permission to take off.