Israel/Hamas going at it

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4:35p, 10/10/23
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Looks to me like Israel is a normal route for that aircraft. So Im not sure what to take from the flight history.

But who is, or who owns Cargo Air Company? Im in Aviation, and have never heard of them. A quick search didnt pull up anything.

Edit: nvm. I looked up the registration number. It's CAL Cargo, not Cargo Air Company like the tweet said.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:38p, 10/10/23
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aggiehawg said:
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Flight history for this aircraft over past couple of days.
So what am I looking for? What does the flight history say to you?
I'd assume he means that it's flying consrantly bringing munitions into Israel from all over the world.
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In reply to nortex97 • 4:38p, 10/10/23
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Where?
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 4:40p, 10/10/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
aggiehawg said:
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Flight history for this aircraft over past couple of days.
So what am I looking for? What does the flight history say to you?
I'd assume he means that it's flying consrantly bringing munitions into Israel from all over the world.
I looked up their service routes, and routinely fly from Tel Aviv to the US and Europe. That's a normal route tree for them. Not sure we can take too much from it.

Likely they just got paid handsomely to bring AID to the area, since they're already operating in the region.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:41p, 10/10/23
aggiehawg said:
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Flight history for this aircraft over past couple of days.
So what am I looking for? What does the flight history say to you?
It says to me that this aircraft was on a regular cargo run up until October 7th when it was superseded by events.

Seems like these airfreighters have normal contracts but are also on standby for emergency use as needed.

Atlas Air runs in that same vein.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 4:42p, 10/10/23
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Oh. Thanks.
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In reply to LMCane • 4:44p, 10/10/23
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Rossticus said:
The thing that concerns me is if this does result in mass civilian casualty in Gaza then you could be looking at actual legitimate nations of the Arab world finally getting the "justification" to declare a proper war on Israel that they've been salivating over, to which we'd get drawn in. The holy war against the "infidels" that would fulfill prophesy. And then things get really complicated with Russia and China weighing the benefits to themselves of tagging in and creating an all out 3 front WW3.

Hoping that this is just projection of force and fear for effect.
Eh. that's not a concern

this isn't 1967 or 1948 anymore

Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Morocco have peace treaties with Israel. Sudan has relations with Israel.

Lebanon of course is not a real country but is part of the Iranian Caliphate controlled by Hizbullah. So far Hiz is staying out of it.

Saudi Arabia just invited Israeli Cabinet Ministers to conferences in Riyadh the last two weeks.

yes there are jihadis around the Middle East, but even Iraq is not interested in going to war with Israel anymore.
I've been wondering about this myself. Given the way Israel was internally attacked, I don't think Egypt or Jordan want to jeopardize the relationship they have built with Israel over the last several decades. Saudi Arabia seems to be moving in that direction too.

Iraq and Syria would probably love to play and will likely be a nuisance, but I think they are too consumed with internal struggles.

The real wild card is Iran.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 4:46p, 10/10/23
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Agthatbuilds said:


Hezbollah is engaged

*according to them, anyway
So the IDF has a static APC within range of Hezbollah ATGMs , and the APC doesn't have a Trophy system on it? Hmm....decoy?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:51p, 10/10/23
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aggiehawg said:
Where?
I think the sole Egyptian point of entry on their 7 mile border with Gaza is the Rafa crossing, which is basically one lane each way.

Quote:
Egypt's military had taken up new positions close to the border and was running patrols to monitor the area, said Ahmed Salem of the Sinai Foundation for Human Rights.

Rafah is the sole possible crossing point into Sinai for Gaza's 2.3 million residents. The rest of the densely populated strip is surrounded by the sea, and by Israel, which has announced a total siege of Gaza and could launch a ground offensive.


Hamas had sent ISIL terrorists to several Egyptian cities/resorts a few years back and…soured the relationship.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 4:52p, 10/10/23
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AgGrad99 said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
aggiehawg said:
Quote:
Flight history for this aircraft over past couple of days.
So what am I looking for? What does the flight history say to you?
I'd assume he means that it's flying consrantly bringing munitions into Israel from all over the world.
I looked up their service routes, and routinely fly from Tel Aviv to the US and Europe. That's a normal route tree for them. Not sure we can take too much from it.

Likely they just got paid handsomely to bring AID to the area, since they're already operating in the region.


The outlier is obviously the Dover-Beersheba flight. Pure speculation, but Dover is where our deceased are brought and processed for mortuary affairs.
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In reply to torrid • 4:54p, 10/10/23
The best way to distract from internal struggles is to create an external enemy. We've seen it time and again…
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In reply to deddog • 4:55p, 10/10/23
Good questions. As the tweet says, the idf responded with apaches, so maybe it was to draw them out
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 4:56p, 10/10/23
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Agthatbuilds said:


Hezbollah is engaged

*according to them, anyway


They had a ton of ATGM's back in 2006 that made things very tough on Israel. I'd imagine they have even more now, and more advanced systems. Definitely don't want to face that in a m113
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4:57p, 10/10/23
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not sure this link will post from above but this is how you get things done, give this amazing young women 1000 blue stars, kicking arse and taking names

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In reply to GAC06 • 5:04p, 10/10/23
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Don't get hung up on the mortuary thing it is also a hub for military airlift.
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In reply to Not a Bot • 5:04p, 10/10/23
Not a Bot said:
And there will be a bunch of frumpy white college girls with neon blue hair marching alongside them.

Yes, the lib woke white college girls usually are in non-challenging majors like gender studies and Art History so they need a good challenge in their otherwise boring lives.
This is a good way to virtue signal and adopt a cause to get some self-worth.

A parallel is Mia Khalifa. She was going about her day making porn vids for Playboy and gets a bug up her ass about Hamas/Palestine. She made a bunch of tweets and gets herself fired. Couldn't she just STFU and keep her opinions to herself? She isn't even Muslim, she is a Christian from Lebanon.
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In reply to infinity ag • 5:07p, 10/10/23
Yeah. I bet she's really strong in her faith too.
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In reply to infinity ag • 5:08p, 10/10/23
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infinity ag said:
Not a Bot said:
And there will be a bunch of frumpy white college girls with neon blue hair marching alongside them.

Yes, the lib woke white college girls usually are in non-challenging majors like gender studies and Art History so they need a good challenge in their otherwise boring lives.
This is a good way to virtue signal and adopt a cause to get some self-worth.

A parallel is Mia Khalifa. She was going about her day making porn vids for Playboy and gets a bug up her ass about Hamas/Palestine. She made a bunch of tweets and gets herself fired. Couldn't she just STFU and keep her opinions to herself? She isn't even Muslim, she is a Christian from Lebanon.


I don't think Christian is what I'd call her. More like a satanic and degenerate PoS.
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In reply to AggieKeith15 • 5:13p, 10/10/23
AggieKeith15 said:
infinity ag said:
Not a Bot said:
And there will be a bunch of frumpy white college girls with neon blue hair marching alongside them.

Yes, the lib woke white college girls usually are in non-challenging majors like gender studies and Art History so they need a good challenge in their otherwise boring lives.
This is a good way to virtue signal and adopt a cause to get some self-worth.

A parallel is Mia Khalifa. She was going about her day making porn vids for Playboy and gets a bug up her ass about Hamas/Palestine. She made a bunch of tweets and gets herself fired. Couldn't she just STFU and keep her opinions to herself? She isn't even Muslim, she is a Christian from Lebanon.


I don't think Christian is what I'd call her. More like a satanic and degenerate PoS.


She's trash, pure and simple.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 5:16p, 10/10/23
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Agthatbuilds said:
just messed up in so so so many ways ... terrible
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5:20p, 10/10/23
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I know some Israeli nationals here who have received notices that they are being called up from the reserves.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:21p, 10/10/23
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bonfarr said:
BonfireNerd04 said:
The only viable solution to the Gaza problem is forced population transfer. Like the Allies did to 12 million Germans after WW2.


To where though? The ME isn't the US during Westward expansion with vast territories where the Israelis can set up an enormous reservation. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan don't want them and won't take them.
I can think of a place. It's hot though, really hot.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 5:21p, 10/10/23
Agthatbuilds said:
https://instagr.am/p/CyOamTXu3d0

This video says on it that it is "used for context." Seems like it could very well be more Hamas propaganda.
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In reply to BenFiasco14 • 5:23p, 10/10/23
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BenFiasco14 said:
I know some Israeli nationals here who have received notices that they are being called up from the reserves.


Years ago I looked into volunteering with IDF but back then there was a no foreign volunteer policy even for prior service. I wonder if that is still the case.
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In reply to infinity ag • 5:23p, 10/10/23
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Ehhh, IIRC, Mia Kalifa is a Muslim which is why her pr0n career caused such an uproar and death threats.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 5:29p, 10/10/23
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Agthatbuilds said:


So what he is saying is it's the Middle Eastern version of a democratic run city here in USA.
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5:39p, 10/10/23
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This is absolutely disgusting. He should be immediately fired.

He's supporting Terrorism.

He's laughing.

This is Bidens America.

Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
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5:41p, 10/10/23
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Looks like Gaza is getting pretty smokey from the bombings. That is unless it's fog or they're burning tires to make a smokescreen.

Weather says fair and no mention of fog but I don't know much about the weather patterns of Gaza

Edit: I'm leaning towards smoke since Ashkelon is not too far and it doesn't look to have fog rolling in
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:42p, 10/10/23
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aggiehawg said:
will25u said:
Uhmm? That makes me queasy. There is enough bloodlust in those troops already. But you want them to still stay professional and adhering to their missions.

OTOH, that may just be a psy-ops for the Hamas audience? (I hope.)
War is not pretty, it never has been in the history of man. There are no rules, especially when you are dealing with a group of savages that doesn't understand anything other than "might makes right" and who have had 30,000 years of warfare and hate bred into their DNA. The only rule at this point for Israel should be "I will win, and I will end you".

The idea that in war only soldiers are the ones in harm's way is a very modern, and very stupid, construct. Historically, when war broke out, everybody was at war and all targets were on the table. You won when you either:

1. Completely wiped the other side off the map,
2. Broke their spirit by showing them that you were capable - and willing - to do things they could not, would not or could not stomach,
3. Or you somehow managed to find some level of common ground and it ended mutually.

Historically, you fought against invaders not only to protect your land and homes, but to literally protect your family. Because losing a battle usually meant that your family was either going to be killed or worse - enslaved by the victors. Greeks, Romans, Germanic tribes, all African tribes, far east with Chinese dynasties, Japanese and Korean dynasties, just about every new world tribe - all operated with almost the same basic MO.

There is no common ground with Hamas and Israel, Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Nothng short of pure extermination will satisfy them. So #3 above is not on the table, never will be. Hamas wants #1 above and will absolutely attempt to do #2 to get there.

Israel knows this, and at some point you have to quit trying to be the nice guy (as much as it can be said that Israel is the nice guy here anyway) and quit turning the other cheek. Honestly, the world would be better off if everybody just backed off and told both Israel and Hamas to end it, however that gets done.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 5:42p, 10/10/23
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Weather forecast is 100% chance of Found Out
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In reply to schmellba99 • 5:51p, 10/10/23
While I don't really disagree with you, this is a tweet from a Hamas propaganda outlet. Best not to take it too seriously.
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In reply to Pinochet • 5:51p, 10/10/23
Read the caption
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In reply to schmellba99 • 5:52p, 10/10/23
Good post.
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