Malibu said:

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FireAg said:

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They held someone accountable…

That's how it's supposed to work…

McCarthy made promises to get the job and went back on those deals…those are the consequences…

Next time…stand by your word and you'll still be Speaker…

Bottom line…the government should have been shut down until we stop spending money we don't have…

Enough is enough…no compromises…

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Well good luck with your strategy of shutting down the government until Joe Biden and the Senate agree to sign off on Ayn Rands fantasyland wish list.

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My fear is them signing off on biden's socialist wish list

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This vote was a big victory for those that have strong opinions about government and absolutely no idea how it works.

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The uni-party agrees completely with you. Let that sink in in regards to who has a better idea of how government should work.

You are right regarding how government currently works, which is fubar.

Gaetz is right in regards to how government should be run, especially in regards to emboldening the conservative ideology. The difference is the sheeple are balking at the opportunity of embracing the conservative ideology and instead make snarky comments and complaints about why we should continue with the status quo of slow suicide to leftism.

MAGA can't help but flush itself down the toilet.

It's too bad because I would like smaller government and lower taxes, but solid democratic rule seems the only answer (and the assured result) to return the GOP to sanity.

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MAGA can't help but flush itself down the toilet.

It's too bad because I would like smaller government and lower taxes, but solid democratic rule seems the only answer (and the assured result) to maybe Rey the GOP to sanity.

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Yeah right

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amercer said:

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MAGA can't help but flush itself down the toilet.

It's too bad because I would like smaller government and lower taxes, but solid democratic rule seems the only answer (and the assured result) to maybe Rey the GOP to sanity.

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Yeah right

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Or I guess end the GOP and maybe open the door for some new parties

amercer said:

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MAGA can't help but flush itself down the toilet.

It's too bad because I would like smaller government and lower taxes, but solid democratic rule seems the only answer (and the assured result) to return the GOP to sanity.

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Of course, when the GOP has all three, they do little to have smaller govt or less spending or fix anybissie they campaign on.

Waffledynamics said:

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Robert L. Peters said:

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Ben Matlock said:

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This vote was a big victory for those that have strong opinions about government and absolutely no idea how it works.

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this post was a big victory for those that want to continue racking up insurmountable debt and having no care in the world about the impact to working Americans

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Gaetz scuttled a less expensive deal for the American taxpayer. What are you talking about?

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It's amazing how those involved in these discussions have no idea how this works.

Senate was not passing that. Biden said he would veto it if it miraculously did pass. It was nothing but a bill to get Dems on record, which nobody gives a **** about.

C@LAg said:

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Robert L. Peters said:

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Just because someone said something dies not make it true.

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everything dies. eventually. so it is true.

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RedHand said:

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Ag with kids said:

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RedHand said:

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The hand ringing over bipartinship and losing votes is just slowing down the inevitable. Dems aren't keeping their word anyway so why should Reps work with them. They have shown time and time again to do crazy things to get their way, see fire alarm pull, ect.

Some of us are tired of trying to keep this thing running when half the country doesn't care.

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Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want.

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Then voters may actually see Dem policy doesn't improve their lives; just makes it worse and we can finally start over once it all falls in under the weight of dumb Democratic policy.

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HAHAHA....

And now that those laws are passed...they're not getting repealed. THAT'S how the Dems have been winning.

So, your plan is to help them win even more.

Just ****ing brilliant...

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This is just cowardly and sad to me. The Dems keep winning because cowards like you rather keep giving up power so that you can live in a less ****ty version of the US instead of trying to fight for a much better one. Democrats have shown they are willing to burn everything down to get what they want and the GOP keeps saying please don't do that here have what you want.

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And?

You want to GIVE THAT TO THEM without a fight.

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Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want.

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BRILLIANT

will25u said:

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JUST IN - Congressman Troy Nehls nominate Donald Trump for Speaker of the House

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) October 3, 2023

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I hope all the MAGA reps vote for him and he loses spectacularly.

Then he can claim he really won and the vote was rigged. The MAGA reps will then fall in line and agree...

Malibu said:

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Y'all get that Biden gets to sign your bills into law or veto them with a Democratic Senate signing off on the wishes, right? Perhaps you can explain it to me like I'm 5 how the 8 super patriots are going to get all the stuff that they want done.

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Ummm...

We want stuff. So we yell and scream and fall down till mommy gives us candy!

Hannity: Sources are telling me that some Republicans have been in contact with and has started an effort to draft former Trump to be the next speaker and I have been told that Trump might be open to helping the Republican party at least in the short term if necessary. pic.twitter.com/V6A11Iexct

— Acyn (@Acyn) October 4, 2023

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Not a single news outlet has reported that yet…I don't simply rely on twitter…

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so if a news source does not report it, it is not real?

Why not check directly with the alleged source, like I did, instead of waiting for a news source to maybe report it.

took me less than 5 seconds

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The media is FAKE NEWS.

Except here. Then the source saying it directly is fake news and you need the media to report it.

Duh...

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Malibu said:

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FireAg said:

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They held someone accountable…

That's how it's supposed to work…

McCarthy made promises to get the job and went back on those deals…those are the consequences…

Next time…stand by your word and you'll still be Speaker…

Bottom line…the government should have been shut down until we stop spending money we don't have…

Enough is enough…no compromises…

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Well good luck with your strategy of shutting down the government until Joe Biden and the Senate agree to sign off on Ayn Rands fantasyland wish list.

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You remember when, during the debt ceiling debate, the house passed what most considered a reasonable bill and the senate said it was DOA and Biden said he'd veto it?

The dems, at least as much as the Republicans, need to understand they don't hold all levers of govt and must also pass bills that they disagree with.

That's one of the problems though- this is a one way information street. The dems own that 4th estate of govt, so, it's never their fault, they're never to blame, they need not make any compromise, they're always reasonable and the a republicans are always trying to kill Granny, prop up big business, take away SS, or other such hyperbole.

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When you do things like shutting down the government, you actually give that 4th estate AMMO that they can point to to further their narrative...

hth

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The Republicans have some leverage. But they hold one of three cards. The only play RIGHT NOW in this political makeup is incrementalism towards your goal, anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you to win your vote and take your donation. To get what you really want, you need to control all three branches with a healthy margin for your purple district colleagues. I remember the last time that happened and Republicans got their entire dream list of wonderful policies enacted by responsible public servants.

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This explains why I got a Matt Gaetz "gimme sum" text this evening...

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Hilarious that this was their big aha moment that Democrats have no interest in working with any Republican to “solve problems” https://t.co/3cAJjfhjgq

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) October 3, 2023

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Now THIS is an actual move that is reasonable. Let's the Dems know that they're a bunch of scum and there's no use trying to reason with them.

THIS is something the GOP needs to post all over the place...

The people don't necessarily agree

https://news.gallup.com/poll/511979/neither-party-liked-gop-holds-advantage-issues.aspx

The point is, the 4th estate is an active participant in forming legislation. It's irrelevant what the Republicans do or don't do, the story is always the same. Anything they do do is ammo.

"Shutting down" the govt does none of those things. It puts some people on a temporary furlough or a couple days/weeks of work where they get back pay.

And there https://t.co/s90uMNEgBX pic.twitter.com/AzJBYCpioQ

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) October 3, 2023

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This is awesome, as it is disrupting the washington status quo......On both sides....and they are all bithcIng about it which is glorious.....

Cudos to Matt and other for taking this stand.....

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Hooray chaos!

And then what?

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1) Create chaos
2) ?
3) Profit

Logos Stick said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Robert L. Peters said:

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Ben Matlock said:

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This vote was a big victory for those that have strong opinions about government and absolutely no idea how it works.

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this post was a big victory for those that want to continue racking up insurmountable debt and having no care in the world about the impact to working Americans

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Gaetz scuttled a less expensive deal for the American taxpayer. What are you talking about?

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It's amazing how those involved in these discussions have no idea how this works.

Senate was not passing that. Biden said he would veto it if it miraculously did pass. It was nothing but a bill to get Dems on record, which nobody gives a **** about.

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But, NOW they'll pass the plan Gaetz has ready?

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RedHand said:

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Ag with kids said:

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RedHand said:

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The hand ringing over bipartinship and losing votes is just slowing down the inevitable. Dems aren't keeping their word anyway so why should Reps work with them. They have shown time and time again to do crazy things to get their way, see fire alarm pull, ect.

Some of us are tired of trying to keep this thing running when half the country doesn't care.

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Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want.

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Then voters may actually see Dem policy doesn't improve their lives; just makes it worse and we can finally start over once it all falls in under the weight of dumb Democratic policy.

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HAHAHA....

And now that those laws are passed...they're not getting repealed. THAT'S how the Dems have been winning.

So, your plan is to help them win even more.

Just ****ing brilliant...

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This is just cowardly and sad to me. The Dems keep winning because cowards like you rather keep giving up power so that you can live in a less ****ty version of the US instead of trying to fight for a much better one. Democrats have shown they are willing to burn everything down to get what they want and the GOP keeps saying please don't do that here have what you want.

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And?

You want to GIVE THAT TO THEM without a fight.

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BRILLIANT

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I want them to fight but the current GOPe is not doing that at all. See why McCarthy got ousted. They just keep giving power away in order to appease a group if people that are willing to destroy everything if they don't get their way. I posted that point in my other post which you quoted but conveniently left out. But hey if you have to misrepresent things to prove a point, I already know I've won the argument. BRILLIANT!

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FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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Only one team's player has likened their candidate's struggles and tribulations to the Passion of the Christ. I'll let you guess as to which team it was.

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Swing and miss again. Stop while you might be batting .095.

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Since you're obviously old I'll excuse your failing memory. Now scurry along, I'm sure there's something to watch on FoxNews.

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Yep, I'm old, which means I have 1000x the wisdom you do. Old bull versus young bull and all, sure you don't know that one. But, you keep wanting to chase the one cow.

Fyi, it was only one poster and the context of his post must've be way more sophisticated than your simple, young mind can comprehend.


And, you struck out again on FOX. LOL!

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I predict McCarthy will survive.

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good call.

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RGLAG85 said:

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FireAg said:

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DeSantis was anti-McCarthy…he said as much…those exact words…

So why again is this a MAGA move when MAGA was against it and DeSantis was for it?

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Because a lot of MAGA supports DeSantis, who has positioned himself to be the Trump without Mean Tweets.

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But all DeSantis supporters on TA say Trump is the anti-Christ and DeSantis is the savior…

You can't have it both ways…

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Only one team's player has likened their candidate's struggles and tribulations to the Passion of the Christ. I'll let you guess as to which team it was.

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Swing and miss again. Stop while you might be batting .095.

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Since you're obviously old I'll excuse your failing memory. Now scurry along, I'm sure there's something to watch on FoxNews.

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Yep, I'm old, which means I have 1000x the wisdom you do. Old bull versus young bull and all, sure you don't know that one. But, you keep wanting to chase the one cow.

Fyi, it was only one poster and the context of his post must've be way more sophisticated than your simple, young mind can comprehend.


And, you struck out again on FOX. LOL!

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Yes, “chaos” was the point. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing. pic.twitter.com/WO17pt1ITP

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) October 3, 2023

I'm curious your thoughts on Vivek's sentiments toward today's actions.

if mccarthy is a uniparty stooge who gives the democrats everything they want, why did they vote unanimously to remove him?

RedHand said:

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RedHand said:

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Ag with kids said:

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RedHand said:

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The hand ringing over bipartinship and losing votes is just slowing down the inevitable. Dems aren't keeping their word anyway so why should Reps work with them. They have shown time and time again to do crazy things to get their way, see fire alarm pull, ect.

Some of us are tired of trying to keep this thing running when half the country doesn't care.

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Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want.

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Then voters may actually see Dem policy doesn't improve their lives; just makes it worse and we can finally start over once it all falls in under the weight of dumb Democratic policy.

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HAHAHA....

And now that those laws are passed...they're not getting repealed. THAT'S how the Dems have been winning.

So, your plan is to help them win even more.

Just ****ing brilliant...

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This is just cowardly and sad to me. The Dems keep winning because cowards like you rather keep giving up power so that you can live in a less ****ty version of the US instead of trying to fight for a much better one. Democrats have shown they are willing to burn everything down to get what they want and the GOP keeps saying please don't do that here have what you want.

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And?

You want to GIVE THAT TO THEM without a fight.

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Let the Dems get a super majority in the House and Senate and they can pass whatever crazy **** they want.

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BRILLIANT

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I want them to fight but the current GOPe is not doing that at all. See why McCarthy got ousted. They just keep giving power away in order to appease a group if people that are willing to destroy everything if they don't get their way. I posted that point in my other post which you quoted but conveniently left out. But hey if you have to misrepresent things to prove a point, I already know I've won the argument. BRILLIANT!

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I didn't misrepresents squat.

I used YOUR words.

You appear to win as much as Trump lately...

Memories:

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Trump commenting on making McCarthy House speaker: "The Fake News Media was, believe it or not, very gracious in their reporting that I greatly helped Kevin McCarthy attain the position of Speaker of the House. Thank you, I did our Country a big favor!"

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Old McDonald said:

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if mccarthy is a uniparty stooge who gives the democrats everything they want, why did they vote unanimously to remove him?

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Because what they care about most is power.

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Old McDonald said:

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if mccarthy is a uniparty stooge who gives the democrats everything they want, why did they vote unanimously to remove him?

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Because what they care about most is power.

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so dems oust mccarthy to gain more power, with gaetz's help. seems like gaetz is the one giving the dems what they want here.

Republican infighting will not advance a conservative agenda.

Republicans have been given the greatest gift in Biden in winning next year and they're going to screw it up.

Train wreck of an economy, inflation, border disaster, domestic policies that are an abortion and Ukraine. Republicans should be killing democrats going into next year but their inability to keep their own house in order is going to foul it all up. Clowns.

45-70Ag said:

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Republican infighting will not advance a conservative agenda.

Republicans have been given the greatest gift in Biden in winning next year and they're going to screw it up.

Train wreck of an economy, inflation, border disaster, domestic policies that are an abortion and Ukraine. Republicans should be killing democrats going into next year but their inability to keep thir own house in order is going to foul it all up. Clowns.

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They had the same thing during the midterms and got a measly slim margin in the house. It was supposed to be a landslide everywhere.

RedHand said:

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45-70Ag said:

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Republican infighting will not advance a conservative agenda.

Republicans have been given the greatest gift in Biden in winning next year and they're going to screw it up.

Train wreck of an economy, inflation, border disaster, domestic policies that are an abortion and Ukraine. Republicans should be killing democrats going into next year but their inability to keep thir own house in order is going to foul it all up. Clowns.

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They had the same thing during the midterms and got a measly slim margin in the house. It was supposed to be a landslide everywhere.

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Thank you for making his point...