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Have you ever heard of the Duck Curve? Solar works best at times when it is needed less. The early evening is when power is needed, but solar generation has fallen off.

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That is true in CAISO but not in ERCOT.

In California load drops in the afternoon hours when the weather is nice. In Texas the afternoon hours are where you see extremely high demand.

In ERCOT, solar works very well leading up to and during peak load (~5pm) but then it rapidly falls off when it is still needed in the evening hours.

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of course, that is why wind typically picks up the load at that time, but not in Auggy or Sept as wind dies during that time period.

Obviously, Ercot never really thought it through when they built all those wind farms in W. TX, where wind only blows at night, and not much during 5-7PM period.

Blows more down the coast near Corpus with sea breeze.

Again, if they had a meteorologist, they could have figured that out, and concentrated all the wind gen down the coast, which they are now doing.

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Yeah, agree, but it's not really ERCOT's call, that's all driven by independent companies building the wind generation who are driven by federal subsidies.

Of course, that's happened in other markets too (lots of wind in Iowa or Kansas where it's not needed), but the difference in the other markets is that they have Capacity payments to reliable generators like coal and gas to keep enough insurance for the grid.

If it's any consolation for this thread there are a ton of wind farms losing their shirts right now if they aren't producing. It's kind of the opposite end of the spectrum of the bitcoin company that's raking in millions.

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Wind generation on the coast kills the whales. That is a known fact.

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this wind generation is inland.

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Inland sea breezes. Got it.

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all for more nat gas, why not?
we have it, use it, but it will still freeze up during the winter.

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Again, that's not what we are talking about, and solar and wind don't work then either. It's a non sequitur.

Obviously, you aren't a meteorologist.

Wind blows with sea breeze down the coast is perfect for peak load in TX 5-7PM.

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fka ftc said:

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Wind generation on the coast kills the whales. That is a known fact.

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this wind generation is inland.

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Inland sea breezes. Got it.

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guess you haven't been to Corpus?

Need to Vote this in Nov 7th

On June 9, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed two pieces of legislation that will significantly impact the electric power market within the Electric Reliability Council of Texas Inc. Senate Bill (S.B.) 2627 calls for the Public Utility Commission of Texas to oversee a newly created fund to finance 10 GW of new dispatchable generation(fossil fuels) within the ERCOT market. A constitutional amendment will be required to establish the fund.

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/texas-governor-signs-dispatchable-generation-market-reform-legislation

For our industry professionals, what are we thinking in terms of new NG generation as a result of the PCM and legislative changes.

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Nat gas doesn't work well during deep freezes anyway...go look at the history of ercot. Nat gas production freezes up in low temps.

I've always been a proponent of nuclear power, renewables and NAT GAS.

we should have a ton more nukes in this country, but we don't.

Furthermore, if we added a ton more solar to this grid, we would have no problems during daytime, only when solar comes off.

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The issue is investment in something that only works when the sun is out.

Spend billions and get something that, in theory, on a sunny day, should probably maybe get you the electricity you need...awesome...then what about evening hours when everyone is home doing laundry, running dishwasher, etc....

We have to stop wasting so much money on un-reliable sources....

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Come this November 7th voters have a chance to pass SB 2627. SB 2627 is program for "dispatchable" generation, which refers to power sources primarily under human control (e.g., natural gas, coal, and nuclear) as opposed to variable resources that depend on natural forces (e.g., wind and solar), that are located within the ERCOT power region.

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Probably worth reposting this right before the election.

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so, you like mercury?

COAL=>mercury.

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Why is coal greater than or equal to mercury?

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Coal plants produce mercury...that is a proven fact.

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Emit.

The word you are looking for is Emit.

And it's in small amounts.

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Have you ever heard of the Duck Curve? Solar works best at times when it is needed less. The early evening is when power is needed, but solar generation has fallen off.

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That is true in CAISO but not in ERCOT.

In California load drops in the afternoon hours when the weather is nice. In Texas the afternoon hours are where you see extremely high demand.

In ERCOT, solar works very well leading up to and during peak load (~5pm) but then it rapidly falls off when it is still needed in the evening hours.

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of course, that is why wind typically picks up the load at that time, but not in Auggy or Sept as wind dies during that time period.

Obviously, Ercot never really thought it through when they built all those wind farms in W. TX, where wind only blows at night, and not much during 5-7PM period.

Blows more down the coast near Corpus with sea breeze.

Again, if they had a meteorologist, they could have figured that out, and concentrated all the wind gen down the coast, which they are now doing.

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Wind generation on the coast kills the whales. That is a known fact.

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this wind generation is inland.

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So it's just killing birds, and not the whales. Gotcha.

The simple solution to all this is nuclear.

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The simple solution to all this is nuclear.

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Conveniently, this is also the solution to Washington, DC. Nuke it.

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all for more nat gas, why not?
we have it, use it, but it will still freeze up during the winter.

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Sigh...

Do you really not know why it froze up that winter?

Since you're a wxman...could you tell us if that was a NORMAL freeze period for TX or an ABNORMAL freeze period...

And Nat gas production is cheaper that either wind or solar, so we could build MORE and have MORE when we need it. And that's base load...not like wind/solar that cannot be completely depended on.

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The simple solution to all this is nuclear.

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If a certain group of people that will go unnamed **cough Democrats cough ** would pull their head out of their ass and realize that it's actually EXACTLY what they want.

The downsides of nuclear are minimal and VERY containable.

The emission from the nuclear plant is WATER. That's it. WATER. With nothing in it.

But...they want the nature killers...

Wind - kills **** tons of birds (I thought Dems liked nature and ****, so not understanding this)

Solar - covers **** tons of land. (again...nature and ****)

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fka ftc said:

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Wind generation on the coast kills the whales. That is a known fact.

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this wind generation is inland.

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Inland sea breezes. Got it.

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guess you haven't been to Corpus?

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But seriously...I live on NPI.

Also not sure why solar power using today's technology is considered renewable. The PV panels which generate the power are made from non-renewable and non-recyclable resources and have a limited useful life because they degrade to a point where they aren't usable.

Dropped down to 68.

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Also not sure why solar power using today's technology is considered renewable. The PV panels which generate the power are made from non-renewable and non-recyclable resources and have a limited useful life because they degrade to a point where they aren't usable.

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Dems already have a solution for this. Following the same playbook they have had for centuries, they put all their problems and ills on the shoulders of poor black africans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/climate/electronic-marvels-turn-into-dangerous-trash-in-east-africa.html

Did someone say the wind doesn't blow in W. Texas?


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