Coates said:
Why is there a shortage? Looking at their forecast the supply tanks around 8, so solar drops why are other plants not available?
ERCOT notice 8/24/2023
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The water is being treated before it is released.Zarathustra said:
Nothing to see hereFukushima nuclear wastewater released into the ocean.
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) August 24, 2023
China bans all Japanese seafood.pic.twitter.com/2mNPtavJq6
Given the amount being released at any given time, it is like using an eye dropper to add water to an Olympic size swimming pool.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
nuke contaminated seafood is still cleaner than anything China produces
I still always see that and read it as EPCOT.
It won't be rolling blackouts - the situation is entirely different in the summer time - they can lower demand ahead of time by curtialing customers - hitting up industrials etc. The thing that makes like like the snowstorm is that ERCOT isn't saying a damn word about it in the public yet, and the information they produce for the public has shown a problem for days now. During the snowstorm their information showed a problem for 1 week and they didn't say a damn word. Then they caused the entire crisis and keep who caused it quiet.
ERCOT, PUCT, and the Government seem to act as if asking for conservation in the public is some sort of black eye. It isn't, and they released this to the grid last night stating that fact but haven't told the public. Reducing power consumption when it's 105 outside to get the grid by isn't abnormal.
What is abnormal is the behavior out of Austin, TX.
ERCOT, PUCT, and the Government seem to act as if asking for conservation in the public is some sort of black eye. It isn't, and they released this to the grid last night stating that fact but haven't told the public. Reducing power consumption when it's 105 outside to get the grid by isn't abnormal.
What is abnormal is the behavior out of Austin, TX.
If it's as simple as contacting the industrial sector and telling them to "turn the lights off" for a while, why would they ask for mass public conservation?
If I understand the incentives: non-dispatchable "green" producers get to sell their generation when the weather is right, to the detriment of more dispatchable fossil fuel plants. The result is a larger reserve need… with less incentive.Aggie_2463 said:gonemaroon said:
https://www.ercot.com/services/comm/mkt_notices/notices
"ERCOT issued a Watch for a projected reserve capacity shortage with no market solution available for Thursday, August 24, 2023 HE 19:00 21:00, which causes a risk for an EEA event."
So here we go again, outages are rather low right now and demand is high and we lack the thermal generation to get us through a weather event. Over 2 years later from the winter storm and nothing is being done besides a lovefest of renewables and batteries.
Without a good amount of wind in the evening this grid is extremely tight. The biggest push at ERCOT right now is batteries that last 2 hours (ish). Would have been out of batteries during Uri before the event even occured.
I put this in another thread but PJM has built 10's of thousands of new combine cycles over the past 3-7 years - probably 30,000MW or more. I don't think anything has happened on this grid since Exelon built some that came online in 2017. I believe those or some of their fleet even went into bankruptcy during that time.
NRG is trying to sell some generation and Vistra is up against their 20% ruling so they can't built. You have the states two largest entities doing nothing one because they legally can't. Both are buying back stock.
Someone with some sense needs to fix this issue, demand is so large in Texas now that there's only one way really out of this and it's via new generation.
Gas plants are being looked at to be built, but the market needs to make it profitable for private companies if you want it to happen.
We should be building several nukes on the outskirts of every Texas metro. Yesterday.
Logos Stick said:
Once we move from ICE to EVs, this will resolve itself.
Yes, it will!
All of those bitcoin mines should be the first places that get shutdown in this whole mess.
WHAT WE NEED IS MORE GUBMIT CONTROL
Are there power shortages in winter?Big Bucks said:
I agree BESS is the solution…for summer peaks. Doesn't address winter though.
So what doesn't mean he is right...Fact he is advocating to re-regulate is assine I don't need to respond to stupid takes.Logos Stick said:LarryElder said:Jbob04 said:
Do we have to post these threads every time the grid gets tight?
Yep and posters make comments on this subject where they have no clue
Lol, the OP does it for a living.
And you haven't added a damn thing of substance to this thread.
Also, once again what happened in URI was no about spinning reserve or capacity. smh
I've said this elsewhere but to me the simple answer is we need Ercot to just shut down Austin when there is a shortage until Austin legislates to cut down on our wind capacity/reliance.
You do know that the power generated by wind turbines can be stored, don't you? it's not 100% used as it is generated. And the wind speed at the Roscoe plant is about 11 mph today...plenty of wind to make those blades spin.Fightin_Aggie said:Coates said:
Why is there a shortage? Looking at their forecast the supply tanks around 8, so solar drops why are other plants not available?
Wind. No. Blowing.
Would be my gues
Godzilla is thankful for this unexpected replenishment of life sustaining radioactive water. Man-made climate change have nearly wiped out all the kaiju and this should be welcomed as it protects an endangered species.Rapier108 said:The water is being treated before it is released.Zarathustra said:
Nothing to see hereFukushima nuclear wastewater released into the ocean.
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) August 24, 2023
China bans all Japanese seafood.pic.twitter.com/2mNPtavJq6
Given the amount being released at any given time, it is like using an eye dropper to add water to an Olympic size swimming pool.
…what currently available mechanism are you referring to?Opalka said:You do know that the power generated by wind turbines can be stored, don't you? it's not 100% used as it is generated. And the wind speed at the Roscoe plant is about 11 mph today...plenty of wind to make those blades spin.Fightin_Aggie said:Coates said:
Why is there a shortage? Looking at their forecast the supply tanks around 8, so solar drops why are other plants not available?
Wind. No. Blowing.
Would be my gues
Grid storage? Good lord.Opalka said:You do know that the power generated by wind turbines can be stored, don't you? it's not 100% used as it is generated. And the wind speed at the Roscoe plant is about 11 mph today...plenty of wind to make those blades spin.Fightin_Aggie said:Coates said:
Why is there a shortage? Looking at their forecast the supply tanks around 8, so solar drops why are other plants not available?
Wind. No. Blowing.
Would be my gues
As usual, wind, it's not there for you when you need it.
Obviously we should have elected Beto/Beta.
I've owned my own homes in Texas since 1990.
During that time my power cumulatively has been out maybe three days and that includes many tropical storms and hurricanes including Harvey. Also including URI.
That's three days out of 12,045.
That's a really really good track record.
Give it a rest
And why on earth would I buy a generators with that history
During that time my power cumulatively has been out maybe three days and that includes many tropical storms and hurricanes including Harvey. Also including URI.
That's three days out of 12,045.
That's a really really good track record.
Give it a rest
And why on earth would I buy a generators with that history
QUestion on climate change storage. If we sequester a bunch of CO2 into the ground in order to offset our emissions, can we then pump it back out of the ground during the next ice age?nortex97 said:Grid storage? Good lord.Opalka said:You do know that the power generated by wind turbines can be stored, don't you? it's not 100% used as it is generated. And the wind speed at the Roscoe plant is about 11 mph today...plenty of wind to make those blades spin.Fightin_Aggie said:Coates said:
Why is there a shortage? Looking at their forecast the supply tanks around 8, so solar drops why are other plants not available?
Wind. No. Blowing.
Would be my gues
As usual, wind, it's not there for you when you need it.
Asking as it relates to my position as the head of Concerned Wooly Mammoths Society.
My opinions...
We need to be addressing state growth. I'm not expert, so I don't know if that is being done or not. I hope so. I won't pretend to know and start casting blame on everyone.
The winter event several years ago is still irrelevant as I really don't think that is the norm. I'm not sure what it would take to spend our way out of that kind of potential event, but I'm not willing to pay it for the rest of my life.
We need to be addressing state growth. I'm not expert, so I don't know if that is being done or not. I hope so. I won't pretend to know and start casting blame on everyone.
The winter event several years ago is still irrelevant as I really don't think that is the norm. I'm not sure what it would take to spend our way out of that kind of potential event, but I'm not willing to pay it for the rest of my life.
The Rainy Day fund should have been used for nuclear power and desalination plants to solve the two biggest issues facing Texas instead of the tax cut but it is what it is.
Opalka said:
You do know that the power generated by wind turbines can be stored, don't you? it's not 100% used as it is generated. And the wind speed at the Roscoe plant is about 11 mph today...plenty of wind to make those blades spin.
Okay, it's more like 99.99% used as it is generated. There is very very little grid storage in Texas, or anywhere for that matter.
and what happens to them when their life is gone? Just throw them in the Ocean and put in new ones? Or an uncontrollable fire that can't be put out and burns for days/weeks?Big Bucks said:
I agree BESS is the solution…for summer peaks. Doesn't address winter though.
The only real solution is more base load, which does not mean more wind or solar as those are not base load.
Add four ESBWRs, two at the STP and two at Comanche Peak, which would add roughly 6400MW to the grid.
Add four ESBWRs, two at the STP and two at Comanche Peak, which would add roughly 6400MW to the grid.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but do to the "Inflation Reduction Act" tax credits, they will be built like crazy. So many projects in the pipeline now that would have never happened without the tax credits.Sgt. Schultz said:
Small nukes are the answer to the grid problems. No more wind farms, use small nukes and gas/coal plants and you never have a problem. Time to phase out the wind/solar experiment.
Oh, and ...............TEXIT can make this happen
Change in administration and Congress can scuttle that through recission.Bassmaster said:Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but do to the "Inflation Reduction Act" tax credits, they will be built like crazy. So many projects in the pipeline now that would have never happened without the tax credits.Sgt. Schultz said:
Small nukes are the answer to the grid problems. No more wind farms, use small nukes and gas/coal plants and you never have a problem. Time to phase out the wind/solar experiment.
Oh, and ...............TEXIT can make this happen
I know NOTHING!!!!
Get Off My Lawn said:
If I understand the incentives: non-dispatchable "green" producers get to sell their generation when the weather is right, to the detriment of more dispatchable fossil fuel plants. The result is a larger reserve need… with less incentive.
We should be building several nukes on the outskirts of every Texas metro. Yesterday.
Green energy has no special privileges to generate but the market structure favors them. Generators bid their price to sell electricity to the grid each day. In simple terms, it's a reverse auction and the lowest prices win. Generators will set their price based on their marginal cost to produce a unit of electricity. For green energy sources, the marginal cost to produce is nearly zero, so they will always set a price to ensure they get dispatched.
Not just for power, but water and infrastructure as well
I think you've got it backwards. Net load (total load minus renewables) is more volatile than ever and cuts into traditional base capacity. That can even drive prices negative at times. What we need is more flexible generation - ie combined cycle natural gas with high turndown and fast start capability, along with smaller engines like aeroderivatives that can rapid dispatch and load follow. Base isn't the issue - our swing from average to minimum to maximum load is too high to simply add more base in a cost effective way.
They need to cut power instead of charging folks $10,000 for a day or two because they didn't get signed up on long term contract.
These damn windmills. Should have kept the other power plants going until there was a real replacement. Such as nuclear.
Take the sites of these old Coal plants and build some nuclear reactors.
These damn windmills. Should have kept the other power plants going until there was a real replacement. Such as nuclear.
Take the sites of these old Coal plants and build some nuclear reactors.
So the incentive structure is based on production cost which naturally benefits the greens. I'd like to see some sort of corrective mechanism added to reward generation potential and punish non-availability.TriAg2010 said:Get Off My Lawn said:
If I understand the incentives: non-dispatchable "green" producers get to sell their generation when the weather is right, to the detriment of more dispatchable fossil fuel plants. The result is a larger reserve need… with less incentive.
We should be building several nukes on the outskirts of every Texas metro. Yesterday.
Green energy has no special privileges to generate but the market structure favors them. Generators bid their price to sell electricity to the grid each day. In simple terms, it's a reverse auction and the lowest prices win. Generators will set their price based on their marginal cost to produce a unit of electricity. For green energy sources, the marginal cost to produce is nearly zero, so they will always set a price to ensure they get dispatched.
Perhaps an annual auction with an indirect market: generation buys rights to a certain portion of the load expectation and those parties can then horse trade among themselves.
All this talk about wind and we're missing the obvious solution!
Fed Gov wont allow itSgt. Schultz said:
Small nukes are the answer to the grid problems. No more wind farms, use small nukes and gas/coal plants and you never have a problem. Time to phase out the wind/solar experiment.
Oh, and ...............TEXIT can make this happen
Talk to the Fed Gov, they are the roadblockoldcrow91 said:
They need to cut power instead of charging folks $10,000 for a day or two because they didn't get signed up on long term contract.
These damn windmills. Should have kept the other power plants going until there was a real replacement. Such as nuclear.
Take the sites of these old Coal plants and build some nuclear reactors.
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