ERCOT notice 8/24/2023

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TommyBrady said:

Man I wish Monticello was still burning coal right about now
Unit 2 at Welsh as well
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Wind sucks and solar sucks, you can't stabilize frequency with those, and they give out at the most critical times. It's all political, it's all about lining people's pockets, it's 2023 in the US and we are actually concerned about the lights going off.

People get upset about things, politicians/ERCOT/PUCT clench their collective asses and hold their breath hoping public scrutiny goes away, and it does, because when you have a wife and two kids at home, you're already onto the next issue once the power comes back on or are out of the situation where it might go off. What has to happen to bring these people to heel?
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A vote liberal until I die then 3x afterwards loves to say "I wish they'd just fix our power grid". Smart enough to not air her FB posts and whatnot in work situations, but I know it is her subtle jabs. Always said in non-political convos, just mentions if on a call w/out of state co-workers, at conferences, etc., if "TX weather" is mentioned.

I always do my best to subtly point out she's FOS, i.e. "Don't jinx us, my county only lost power during snowmageddon and it has done fine keeping my home temps at 72 during the day with the 109 outside".

It's the only thing they can hold onto since everyone remembers the 2021 winter storm.
Staff - take out the trash.
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The use of fossil fuels lifted human beings from the cold and the dark in a way unprecedented in history. These fuels have truly been a Promethean gift to us.

The fact that a large number of people want to send us back into the cold and dark is so despicable I cannot muster the words for the contempt I feel for them.

Sane people need to be elected and ensure that this country utilizes the energy sources that we are sitting on top of.
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Amen, brother.
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16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.
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OldArmy71 said:

The use of fossil fuels lifted human beings from the cold and the dark in a way unprecedented in history. These fuels have truly been a Promethean gift to us.

The fact that a large number of people want to send us back into the cold and dark is so despicable I cannot muster the words for the contempt I feel for them.

Sane people need to be elected and ensure that this country utilizes the energy sources that we are sitting on top of.


They don't want to send all of us back to the cold and dark, just the unclean ones they don't like or agree with.
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TriAg2010 said:

16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.
Hate to be "that guy", but you know some of them will blame ERCOT for losing their power
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TriAg2010 said:

16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.
That might be enough. Current prediction shows just enough capacity.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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TexasAggiesWin said:

TriAg2010 said:

16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.
Hate to be "that guy", but you know some of them will blame ERCOT for losing their power


cOinSCIdence?!

Fortunately were back up after 30 minute outtage.
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OldArmy71 said:

The use of fossil fuels lifted human beings from the cold and the dark in a way unprecedented in history. These fuels have truly been a Promethean gift to us.

The fact that a large number of people want to send us back into the cold and dark is so despicable I cannot muster the words for the contempt I feel for them.

Sane people need to be elected and ensure that this country utilizes the energy sources that we are sitting on top of.

We'll get back to slaughtering whales for "organic" lamp oil at some point it feels like.
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Jbob04 said:

Megawatt price down to 155 right now. Hit 3500 earlier


Whats it at now?
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Back to showing a slight shortfall at 8PM.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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TriAg2010 said:

16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.

Yeah...wonder if ERCOT is telling CenterPoint to be slow on the repairs
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Depending on the source one looks at, almost 32K out in Harris, 7K in Montgomery, and ~2300 in Hardin County thanks to those storms. Other sites say somewhat less.

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

XXXVII said:

Last time we got close to having outages like this, my lib neighbor turned on all her lights in her house around 8 pm. Why are libs such miserable people that want the grid to fail? Y'all voted for this!
On Twitter, lots of commies talking about doing the same thing because they think breaking the grid will ensure they sweep Texas in 2024.
They're libs and have all switched to LED, I'm thinkin' leaving the lights on won't amount to much...
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Rapier108 said:

Depending on the source one looks at, almost 32K out in Harris, 7K in Montgomery, and ~2300 in Hardin County thanks to those storms. Other sites say somewhat less.




Most of Montgomery is Entergy
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Rapier108 said:

Depending on the source one looks at, almost 32K out in Harris, 7K in Montgomery, and ~2300 in Hardin County thanks to those storms. Other sites say somewhat less.




That's pretty minimal and not going to make a difference on overall demand.
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LarryElder said:

Rapier108 said:

Depending on the source one looks at, almost 32K out in Harris, 7K in Montgomery, and ~2300 in Hardin County thanks to those storms. Other sites say somewhat less.




Most of Montgomery is Entergy
Wasn't talking about Centerpoint.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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It's 8:11pm... when are we getting these rolling blackouts all the resident libs were ready to celebrate happening so they could bash Abbott?
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TitanAGGIE09 said:

It's 8:11pm... when are we getting these rolling blackouts all the resident libs were ready to celebrate happening so they could bash Abbott?
Thankfully those t-storms saved the day.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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There was capacity at the ready.

ERCOT is a public display after they have adjusted to meet demand.
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malibucharles said:

gonemaroon said:

I said outages are low, and we don't have a plan in place to have more generation built. I explain that in some other posts. And since you brought up winterization - during that winter storm in December that came through had we not had wind and solar that would have gotten very interesting - I think over night we had 5,000MW of derates and trips. It'll never ever be perfect, but have to plan for the obvious.

Our plan is more solar and more battery - which absolutely will fail on a winter storm repeat.
It will also fail in the summers at sunset when the solar goes away. Ercot records show that at sunset on August 22, 2023, the gas, coal and lignite was generating 53,561 MW and wind 13,548 MW. If you divide the latter into the former the result is 3.95. Therefore, in the future when we shut down all fossil fuels as the climate advocates we do, wind and battery generation will have to increase 3.5 times to supply that day's load at sunset.. This does not include the future load growth due to electric cars, all electric homes and etc. It will be a monumental undertaking.
Correction, 3.95 not 3.5.
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TriAg2010 said:

16,000 customers without power in Houston after that thunderstorm passed throughout. There's one way to shed load.


I'm one of them. I love my Ryobi stuff. Lanterns, flashlights, fans. Great product
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With or without Houston storms we would have had capacity.
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TitanAGGIE09 said:

It's 8:11pm... when are we getting these rolling blackouts all the resident libs were ready to celebrate happening so they could bash Abbott?


Sorry libs

DeSantis 2024

FJB, FJB, FJB, etc
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XXXVII said:

TitanAGGIE09 said:

It's 8:11pm... when are we getting these rolling blackouts all the resident libs were ready to celebrate happening so they could bash Abbott?


Sorry libs




Really odd that energy and the trash grid is political. Not sure why either party thinks uses it as a talking point.
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Op swing and a miss maybe one day he will be right
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torrid said:

txaggieacct85 said:

I've owned my own homes in Texas since 1990.

During that time my power cumulatively has been out maybe three days and that includes many tropical storms and hurricanes including Harvey. Also including URI.

That's three days out of 12,045.

That's a really really good track record.

Give it a rest

And why on earth would I buy a generators with that history
It really depends upon where you are. If you live along the coast, it is guaranteed you are going to have days without power. You don't need a $10,000 permanently installed Generac to power the whole house and keep it at 68 degrees, but a small generator for some lights and to keep your fridge running would be a wise investment.
I have a whole house generator because I can and I want one. Please stop telling people what they need. You're not qualified to make decisions for us.
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Coates said:

XXXVII said:

TitanAGGIE09 said:

It's 8:11pm... when are we getting these rolling blackouts all the resident libs were ready to celebrate happening so they could bash Abbott?


Sorry libs




Really odd that energy and the trash grid is political. Not sure why either party thinks uses it as a talking point.


Agreed. Dumbest talking on either side. We need to fix ercot. And that's going to take government action. But I also don't want to lose our separate grid.
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Need to discourage renewable and storage projects and promote dispatcheable fossil generation and nuclear. Do our Texas conservative leaders have the fortitude to do that?
DeSantis 2024

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XXXVII said:

Need to discourage renewable and storage projects and promote dispatcheable fossil generation and nuclear. Do our Texas conservative leaders have the fortitude to do that?


From what we have seen with all the nonsense in Austin, Texas is deft of conservative leaders. All of them in to grift it, not one to legislate or run it.
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I grew up in shadow of Monticello, my dad spent his entire career there until it was shutdown and he got severance. Really could use a few of those old beasts again!
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Bubblez said:

Nice job conservatives

Looks like the system nailed it. Now, you should complain about actual disaster mismanagement like in Maui, but most liberals have avoided that like the plague
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TX04Aggie said:

I grew up in shadow of Monticello, my dad spent his entire career there until it was shutdown and he got severance. Really could use a few of those old beasts again!

Absolutely, my dad was at Welsh until retirement. I spent my high school summers working there as a laborer
 
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