What deepwater seaport would be used to deploy the military hardware and logistical tail necessary to sustain a half-a-million strong force to fight in eastern Ukraine?
Escalation and Calls for the draft
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Last: 7 mo ago by Stat Monitor Repairman
Kevin von Erich lives there.......Shoefly! said:TheEternalPessimist said:
My son is about to be 13 years old.
If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.
This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.
Kauai, live in a commune. Become surfers, fruit and veggies all over the island. Freshwater prawns and fishing daily. Mail goes to PO Box. Burner phones. Close enough to other countries to flee.
The reasons to oppose the war in Ukraine are far fetched because of ALL of these reasons?Faustus said:The reasons to oppose our support of Ukraine keep getting more far-fetched and shrill, but I guess you have to keep trying until something sticks.ABATTBQ11 said:
Anyone talking about a draft is just fear mongering and posting click bait. It's simply not happening. Didn't happen for Desert Storm, didn't happen for Iraq 2, and didn't happen for Afghanistan. We put hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground in those declared wars, yet no draft. Now we're not at war and have no intention of being at war and people are buying into hysterical nutjobs saying there's going to be a draft? It's idiotic.
1) People are dying (FACT)
2) The Kiev regime was placed there by a Western lead coup in 2014. (FACT)
3) The Russian ethnic majority in the Donbas and Crimea does not want to be 'liberated' by, or be under the control of the Kiev regime. (FACTS)
4) Continued NATO material and weapons support increases the likelihood of this spiraling into WW3. (FACT)
5) Zelensky's government is financially and organizationally corrupt and unaccountable. (FACT)
6) The AZOV Nazi battalion being propped up and supported by Zelensky and NATO. (FACT)
7) US and NATO aligned arms companies are becoming enriched by the 'free aid' being provided to Ukraine..... on the backs of western taxpayers. (FACT)
8) I don't want my son or your sons or anyone else's sons to be drafted to die for Joe Biden, McConnell, Klobuchar, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Alexandra Chalupa, Alex Vindman, Eric Ciaramella, Victoria Nuland, and Hunter Biden's evil scheming in Ukraine (OPINION).
The continued expansion of NATO from 1991 to present caused the war that we are seeing today.
And if this conflict continues to devolve, then that error can be attributed to a continued escalation of the Cold War and the outbreak of a conventional WW3.
What we are seeing today is a continuation of the Cold War.
And 20-years later, the GWOT turned into a continuation of the Cold War.
From a historical standpoint, one thing is clear.
If you step back and look at it with fresh eyes, you'll see that US has somehow been the cause, and the solution to most of the world's problems since 1944.
And if this conflict continues to devolve, then that error can be attributed to a continued escalation of the Cold War and the outbreak of a conventional WW3.
What we are seeing today is a continuation of the Cold War.
And 20-years later, the GWOT turned into a continuation of the Cold War.
From a historical standpoint, one thing is clear.
If you step back and look at it with fresh eyes, you'll see that US has somehow been the cause, and the solution to most of the world's problems since 1944.
HATE AMERICA FIRST?Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The continued expansion of NATO from 1991 to present caused the war that we are seeing today.
And if this conflict continues to devolve, then that error can be attributed to a continued escalation of the Cold War and the outbreak of a conventional WW3.
What we are seeing today is a continuation of the Cold War.
And 20-years later, the GWOT turned into a continuation of the Cold War.
From a historical standpoint, one thing is clear.
If you step back and look at it with fresh eyes, you'll see that US has somehow been the cause, and the solution to most of the world's problems since 1944.
How 'bout taking off the googles and looking at the reality of the situation first.
I'm doing my best to call the balls and strikes as I see 'em.
Soft pedaling gets us nowhere.
I'm doing my best to call the balls and strikes as I see 'em.
Soft pedaling gets us nowhere.
It takes a whole lot of spin to make the US the cause of most of the world's problems since 1944. An unimaginable amount of spin.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
How 'bout taking off the googles and looking at the reality of the situation first.
I'm doing my best to call the balls and strikes as I see 'em.
Soft pedaling gets us nowhere.
I just explained it to you in truncated, but well reasoned detail.
Stat Monitor Repairman lives in the no-spin-zone.
May not be what you wanna hear but I'll give it to ya straight up, all the time, every time.
Stat Monitor Repairman lives in the no-spin-zone.
May not be what you wanna hear but I'll give it to ya straight up, all the time, every time.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The argument against the draft is that the military is high tech and we have no need for just 'warm-bodies.'
And that is true.
But on the other hand, the fact that it's 2023 and we see ongoing trench warfare in Europe is slightly concerning.
That dynamic changes if we are involved. Ukraine is holding their own against Russia with our cast off weapons and no air power.
We'd roll Russia in a matter of days if we threw ours against theirs. But it would never come to that. We will never directly engage Russia over Ukraine. Nor should we.
TheEternalPessimist said:
My son is about to be 13 years old.
If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.
This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.
Never fight under Marxist leadership.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The continued expansion of NATO from 1991 to present caused the war that we are seeing today.
And if this conflict continues to devolve, then that error can be attributed to a continued escalation of the Cold War and the outbreak of a conventional WW3.
What we are seeing today is a continuation of the Cold War.
And 20-years later, the GWOT turned into a continuation of the Cold War.
From a historical standpoint, one thing is clear.
If you step back and look at it with fresh eyes, you'll see that US has somehow been the cause, and the solution to most of the world's problems since 1944.
Complete and total bull***** If Russia doesn't invade a neighbor there is no war
There's not going to be a draft. Pool is trolling and fear-mongering for clicks.
Stop paying attention to it, it only gets you riled up and angry.
Stop paying attention to it, it only gets you riled up and angry.
How about this for a compromise?
If the west doesn't invade Russia's sphere of influence by expanding NATO all the way to Russias front doorstep AND proceed the use Ukraine as it's own personal hub for money laundering and corruption for the past 20-years,
AND
If Russia doesn't invade a neighbor then there is no war.
Can we agree on that?
and if not; then what part do you take issue with?
We'll hammer this out right here and now.
If the west doesn't invade Russia's sphere of influence by expanding NATO all the way to Russias front doorstep AND proceed the use Ukraine as it's own personal hub for money laundering and corruption for the past 20-years,
AND
If Russia doesn't invade a neighbor then there is no war.
Can we agree on that?
and if not; then what part do you take issue with?
We'll hammer this out right here and now.
No we cannot.
Any country on earth should be free to join a defensive pact without fear of being invaded by a neighbor.
Any country on earth should be free to join a defensive pact without fear of being invaded by a neighbor.
If Mexico joined BRICS would we be justified in invading them and launching indiscriminate missle attacks into Mexico City?
Because that's effectively what Russia has done.
Because that's effectively what Russia has done.
TheEternalPessimist said:Kevin von Erich lives there.......Shoefly! said:TheEternalPessimist said:
My son is about to be 13 years old.
If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.
This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.
Kauai, live in a commune. Become surfers, fruit and veggies all over the island. Freshwater prawns and fishing daily. Mail goes to PO Box. Burner phones. Close enough to other countries to flee.
We stayed in a bungalow that a couple of the Beatles lived in. We met Richard Pryor, Jim Nabors and Graham Nash and his wife. Back in the 80's. My BIL lived in a commune over there until the draft was called off for the Vietnam war.
For starters, Mexico has already expressed interest in joining BRICS so that is a reality.
Second, Mexico's economy is already shored up with un-taxed dollars flowing in every week.
Third, you right in that if there is a hot war in the Western Hemisphere it will likely be the result of BRICS v. CBDC which bootstraps on my original point.
So the US wouldn't waste missiles on Mexico City, they'd just turn off the money spigot until they started to squirm or there was a humanitarian disaster, whichever would occur first.
But to answer your question, no. Justification for invading another country is few and far between.
That said, what country on has invaded the most sovereign nations since 1944?
Second, Mexico's economy is already shored up with un-taxed dollars flowing in every week.
Third, you right in that if there is a hot war in the Western Hemisphere it will likely be the result of BRICS v. CBDC which bootstraps on my original point.
So the US wouldn't waste missiles on Mexico City, they'd just turn off the money spigot until they started to squirm or there was a humanitarian disaster, whichever would occur first.
But to answer your question, no. Justification for invading another country is few and far between.
That said, what country on has invaded the most sovereign nations since 1944?
With or without provocation?
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
Honestly, if we go back just a wee bit further, there's the whole Molotov-Ribbentrop thing and the Russians trying to divvy up Europe with the Nazis. You could say they were partially responsible for WWII with that enablement.
You could maybe also add Korea and Vietnam to their list. The North Koreans invaded the South with Russian provided weapons and advisors, essentially at their behest. The same with the North Vietnamese. The Russians backed the Vietnamese communists and interfered in Vietnamese politics, trying to install a puppet government. Then they supplied the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese army in their bid to takeover the South.
You could maybe also add Korea and Vietnam to their list. The North Koreans invaded the South with Russian provided weapons and advisors, essentially at their behest. The same with the North Vietnamese. The Russians backed the Vietnamese communists and interfered in Vietnamese politics, trying to install a puppet government. Then they supplied the Viet Cong and regular North Vietnamese army in their bid to takeover the South.
Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
You left off quite a few for the US.
Vietnam (entered because of false flag)
Laos
Cambodia
Libya
Sudan
Syria
There's more, I'm sure.
Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. Using your list there, that means that Ukraine, as part of the USSR, also invaded:Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Afghanistan
Haitisnowdog90 said:Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
You left off quite a few for the US.
Vietnam (entered because of false flag)
Laos
Cambodia
Libya
Sudan
Syria
There's more, I'm sure.
TheEternalPessimist said:Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. Using your list there, that means that Ukraine, as part of the USSR, also invaded:Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Afghanistan
Yeah they're not the Soviet Union. They just started it and ran it.
Somalia & Bosnia also come to mind, along with the 1000s of 'minor incursions' (SOF Operations &/or Drone Attacks) conducted as part of the War on Drugs &/or Terror into an untold number of countries!!
I'm fully convinced "we're the baddies."
I'm fully convinced "we're the baddies."
snowdog90 said:Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
You left off quite a few for the US.
Vietnam (entered because of false flag)
Laos
Cambodia
Libya
Sudan
Syria
There's more, I'm sure.
We were invited into Vietnam by the international recognized government.
We didn't invade any of the others
TheEternalPessimist said:Haitisnowdog90 said:Teslag said:
We have invaded the following without provocation…
Iraq
Haiti
Panama
Grenada
Russia has invaded the following without provocation
Hungary (as USSR)
Czechoslovakia (as ussr)
Afghanistan
Georgia
Chechnya
Ukraine
Off the top of my head…
You left off quite a few for the US.
Vietnam (entered because of false flag)
Laos
Cambodia
Libya
Sudan
Syria
There's more, I'm sure.
I listed Haiti
Ag in Tiger Country said:
Somalia & Bosnia also come to mind, along with the 1000s of 'minor incursions' (SOF Operations &/or Drone Attacks) conducted as part of the War on Drugs &/or Terror into an untold number of countries!!
I'm fully convinced "we're the baddies."
We are all fully aware that you and Michelle Obama hate America. That's fine company.
Teslag said:Ag in Tiger Country said:
Somalia & Bosnia also come to mind, along with the 1000s of 'minor incursions' (SOF Operations &/or Drone Attacks) conducted as part of the War on Drugs &/or Terror into an untold number of countries!!
I'm fully convinced "we're the baddies."
We are all fully aware that you and Michelle Obama hate America. That's fine company.
Ummm, I despise Michelle & his husband; I also believe certain actors, primarily Dems but also swampy Republicans, have used unnecessary wars, including those I listed, to enrich themselves all the while endangering the lives of our proud men & women in uniform! That's not the type of company I wish to consort with, nor have I ever. Thus, I seriously question your judgement, including what you consider to be "fine", because even if such was said in jest, the rest of your comment is still alarming for its sheer stupidity.
Specifically, the "baddies" reference was to a British comedy sketch where 2 Waffen SS officers serving on the Russian Front realize they're the 'baddies' on account of the totenkopf (death-heads) affixed to their visor hats; in other words, the irony is the soldiers only realized they were the "baddies" by their attire instead of dutifully serving a corrupt regime by invading countries without provocation &/or based upon lies (like we did with 'weapons of mass destruction').
Accordingly, I have no idea what mental gymnastics you had to pull to: 1) Associate me with Michelle, & 2) how that Brit segment correlates to Michelle. In this instance, your ignorance is glaring.
Perhaps you just wanted to attack me personally b/c I previously criticized the practice of milking the VA system and collecting 100% disability just because that inept governmental institution makes it easy to STEAL from the American taxpayers by overwhelming a system with bogus claims that actually take away time and resources of the VA to properly adjudicate claims of DESERVING SOLDIERS!!!
You can rest easy knowing that I caught a ban the last time I truthfully pointed out which TexAgs poster that comment applied to; you can also rest easy knowing that I won't be a puss & complain about your personal attack, which had no basis in fact or logic.
Try harder; be better. Oh, and who the hell is the "we" in your post? I'll bet you're on an island of stupidity all by your lonesome in this instance.
Michelle likes to pretend she hates America because she loves it too. Still in good company
.Mort Rainey said:
Shocker, I went onto the internet today and came away angry and scared...
Get a grip. Large groups of soldiers thrown at each other is something of a bygone era. If war really comes between super power countries, it will be all drones, AI, air power and nukes. On the plus side, it'll be over fast.
Good luck w that
How can she not love America with beachfront mansions in Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard. From sea to shining sea baby!
Agreed.AggieMD95 said:. Good luck w thatMort Rainey said:
Shocker, I went onto the internet today and came away angry and scared...
Get a grip. Large groups of soldiers thrown at each other is something of a bygone era. If war really comes between super power countries, it will be all drones, AI, air power and nukes. On the plus side, it'll be over fast.
A well placed EMP and we all be back to ****ting in buckets.
I suppose Stat Monitor believes 9/11 was the U.S. fault because we stationed troops in Saudia Arabia
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