My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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This is where Rome ultimately ended up. The average citizen lost interest in fighting endless wars for the Empire. The Empire then had to promise citizenship to new immigrants in exchange for service in the army.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Will you flee the country for other wars we aren't fighting, much less drafting for?

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Will you flee the country for other wars we aren't fighting, much less drafting for?

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Do you always misrepresent what another person says to make your argument or are you that challenged in reading comprehension?

On 9-10-2001 there were a bunch of folks that didn't realize their destiny was being a stormtrooper on the Imperial outpost of Tatooine.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Will you flee the country for other wars we aren't fighting, much less drafting for?

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Apparently you don't know what the word 'IF' means.

Don't worry - Bill Clinton did not know what the word 'IS' is.

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On 9-10-2001 there were a bunch of folks that didn't realize their destiny was being a stormtrooper on the Imperial outpost of Tatooine.

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These are not the posts they are looking for...... move on.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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On 9-10-2001 there were a bunch of folks that didn't realize their destiny was being a stormtrooper on the Imperial outpost of Tatooine.

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These are not the posts they are looking for...... move on.

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I like to hammer a topic until it looks like Homer's bbq pit.

.... I do it for the stars. Cause I want to be a star!

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Wait, are we at war?!

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We haven't ceased being at or starting a war since Korea, it's our most consistent contribution to the world.

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Trafficked Orphans have to come from somewhere.

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Now we're not at war and have no intention of being at war and people are buying into hysterical nutjobs

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Pfc Nut-job reporting for duty sir!

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We put over half a million troops into Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait from what was considered a near peer. We didn't have draft. Considering the Russian army's degredated state, it might not even take that much to completely break them. Give me one good reason we would have a draft now when we didn't then.

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Rolling out new MRE items for ww3

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1. Leave these in strategic locations the enemy can find.
2. Destroy the enemy's toilet paper supplies and plumbing
3. Wait 48 hours for a full surrender.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Kauai, live in a commune. Become surfers, fruit and veggies all over the island. Freshwater prawns and fishing daily. Mail goes to PO Box. Burner phones. Close enough to other countries to flee.

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Now we're not at war and have no intention of being at war and people are buying into hysterical nutjobs

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Pfc Nut-job reporting for duty sir!

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We put over half a million troops into Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait from what was considered a near peer. We didn't have draft. Considering the Russian army's degredated state, it might not even take that much to completely break them. Give me one good reason we would have a draft now when we didn't then.

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Are you really comparing a 100 hour war to a conflict that has been grinding up and spitting out men for over a year now?
In that year there have been comparable casualties to the entire 20 years of GWOT.
In the last month-month and a half since Ukraine kicked off their offensive they have lost 5K-6K men (per Speak the Truth). They don't have the numbers to sustain that. You seriously don't see the path to incremental increases from where we are to horrendous all out war?
Remember both WWs where the populace was told in no uncertain terms the US would not be involved? That the US would only provide materiel support and economic pressure. Sounds pretty familiar.

What I am saying is there is more going on than the good v evil narrative that is spun in headlines. Russia is absolutely in the wrong, Ukraine absolutely has the right to defend itself. The pieces moving now though, point to this being bigger than a regional conflict that flares and dies out quickly.

Drafts work if you need low-skilled cannon fodder.

We must remember that when we draft people for the military, we get a bit of everything. In order to handle the demands of today's modern, high-tech army, we need solders who are more intelligent and more professional than what we would tend to get in a draft.

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Anyone talking about a draft is just fear mongering and posting click bait. It's simply not happening. Didn't happen for Desert Storm, didn't happen for Iraq 2, and didn't happen for Afghanistan. We put hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground in those declared wars, yet no draft. Now we're not at war and have no intention of being at war and people are buying into hysterical nutjobs saying there's going to be a draft? It's idiotic.

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The reasons to oppose our support of Ukraine keep getting more far-fetched and shrill, but I guess you have to keep trying until something sticks.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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On 9-10-2001 there were a bunch of folks that didn't realize their destiny was being a stormtrooper on the Imperial outpost of Tatooine.

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They draft people that can't shoot straight?

Arrakis ecologist said:

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On 9-10-2001 there were a bunch of folks that didn't realize their destiny was being a stormtrooper on the Imperial outpost of Tatooine.

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They draft people that can't shoot straight?

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Point I'm trying to make is that we don't know what might happen.

We got no idea the same way we had no idea on 9-10. It was also inconceivable that in March 2020 that the entire country. would 'lock down'

The thought of such occurring was inconceivable at the time, but over the course of two-weeks (to stop the spread) that very thing occurred with almost no resistance.

So anything can happen at any time.

I don't see how a draft could occur in modern times, and I certainly ain't advocating for one.

But after what we've seen go down the past 3-years, who tf really knows?

But my gut feeling is that Get Z better get first dibs on those tuck-friendly BDU pants.

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Not taking my kid to fight your war. Not going to happen. You can take me, but not her.

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Did you mean to do the winky emoji? Cause they'll never draft women anyway.

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Now we're not at war and have no intention of being at war and people are buying into hysterical nutjobs

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Pfc Nut-job reporting for duty sir!

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We put over half a million troops into Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait from what was considered a near peer. We didn't have draft. Considering the Russian army's degredated state, it might not even take that much to completely break them. Give me one good reason we would have a draft now when we didn't then.

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Are you really comparing a 100 hour war to a conflict that has been grinding up and spitting out men for over a year now?
In that year there have been comparable casualties to the entire 20 years of GWOT.
In the last month-month and a half since Ukraine kicked off their offensive they have lost 5K-6K men (per Speak the Truth). They don't have the numbers to sustain that. You seriously don't see the path to incremental increases from where we are to horrendous all out war?
Remember both WWs where the populace was told in no uncertain terms the US would not be involved? That the US would only provide materiel support and economic pressure. Sounds pretty familiar.

What I am saying is there is more going on than the good v evil narrative that is spun in headlines. Russia is absolutely in the wrong, Ukraine absolutely has the right to defend itself. The pieces moving now though, point to this being bigger than a regional conflict that flares and dies out quickly.

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The likelihood the US will every have a draft again is nil unless its a global war and even then it certainly would never start out with a draft from the get go.

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We are no involved on the ground. We don't plan to be. Why on earth would the draft be an issue?

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Spread fear porn along with bank failures, high gas prices and women watching that Barbie movie.

If there was a draft, good luck getting anyone to report. No trust of the federal government. They will have to drag people from their houses.

Street Fighter said:

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Wait, are we at war?!

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We haven't ceased being at or starting a war since Korea, it's our most consistent contribution to the world.

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Oh I know, brother.

Shoefly! said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Kauai, live in a commune. Become surfers, fruit and veggies all over the island. Freshwater prawns and fishing daily. Mail goes to PO Box. Burner phones. Close enough to other countries to flee.

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Just know that the first sign of Covid and Kauai will shut everything down and run for their lives.

It never does start out that way. It gets there quickly though. IF this spirals and keeps escalating where does it stop?

I REALLY don't trust anyone in our government to keep this from going sideways.

Big Money Aggie said:

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If there was a draft, good luck getting anyone to report. No trust of the federal government. They will have to drag people from their houses.

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Never forget older relatives talking about the CCC camps.

People either don't know about that or forget that happened.

Folks weren't compelled or conscripted to join the CC .. Why did they do it then?

Because it was better than starving to death. Or someone else in their family starving to death.

I knew a couple of people that joined the CCC and have heard stories about it first hand.

Most of what they talked about was the food in that they got all the bacon and eggs that they could eat.

All they talked about was the food. How good the CC bacon was and how much of there was of it.

Back then they were on rations and food was scarce. ... except for the federal government which had the power to contract for all the food it wanted to feed CC people. So it wan't a hard decision to join up if it meant more food for your younger brother or sister.

What ended up happening was all the CC people went directly from CC camps to boot camp when WW2 broke out.

So the point is, that pre-ww2 it was bacon and eggs being used as the carrot to get people signed up.

So the question is, what will be the carrot of modern times?

The argument against the draft is that the military is high tech and we have no need for just 'warm-bodies.'

And that is true.

But on the other hand, the fact that it's 2023 and we see ongoing trench warfare in Europe is slightly concerning.

Because this genius administration has had no plan and no defined endgame since day 1. They've been blowing in the wind and "leading" from behind for two years. They're solely reactive and aren't even attempting to dictate the pace or direction of this war in a fashion that favors a more rapid resolution. No clarity of vision or demonstration of purpose.

Shoefly! said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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My son is about to be 13 years old.

If they enact a draft to fight this stupid war and my son is 17 years old and this thing is not over...... I will move with my wife and son OUT of this country to protect my son from this.

This is NOT A DEFENSIVE WAR.

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Kauai, live in a commune. Become surfers, fruit and veggies all over the island. Freshwater prawns and fishing daily. Mail goes to PO Box. Burner phones. Close enough to other countries to flee.

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That area up near Hanalei is real nice.

Not a bad plan at all.

Ukraine makes progress and threatens breakthroughs, and Russian-laundered escalation fearmongering picks up.

How many times does this have to happen before people stop being afraid of nothing?

For one, Desert Storm was as brief as it was because of the disparity in equipment and training, as well as the weeks and thousands of airstrikes preceding the ground invasion. The same disparity in aerial capability exists between us and Russia now that existed between us and Iraq then. Iraq also invaded Kuwait months before the coalition invasion. It was much longer than the 100 hours we ended it in.

For two, any conflict between us or NATO and Russia is going to have that same disparity considering Russia's losses and performance so far. They can't establish air superiority or go on the offense against Ukraine, which is only getting limited quantities of export grade US/NATO equipment. If we had direct involvement, the technology and training disparity would be enormous, just like Desert Storm.

Yes, if we got directly involved, I think this would not be a prolonged conflict. We would help the Ukrainians push the Russians back to the pre-2014 borders and stop. Same as liberating Kuwait.


All that said, if we deployed over half a million troops for that conflict and could easily end this one with that or fewer, there's no reason to expect a draft now when there wasn't then. It's pure hysteria.

Never in my lifetime would I ever have advocated draft dodging, not during Vietnam, not ever....


until now. Especially for white conservative males.

Waffledynamics said:

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Ukraine makes progress and threatens breakthroughs, and Russian-laundered escalation fearmongering picks up.

How many times does this have to happen before people stop being afraid of nothing?

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Propaganda is thick on F16 from Pro-Ukes

Owlagdad said:

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Lol. If there is a draft, let's get quota from lib states first. Let's be sure to draft and go after all skin colors and all sexual persuasions and women.
Why sheet on American loving young men, then turn around and ask them to fight your stupid war.

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MSM already got that "How the draft disproportionally affects BIPOC and Trans people" article ready to go.

They'll drop the diversity, equity , inclusion crap real quick when it comes to a draft.