Pandemic of the Unvaccinated

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Garrelli 5000
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:05p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
CS78 said:
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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.


If true, that would have to include all the deaths pre-vaccine. One of the many problems with the vaccine was that it hit the market right as death rates were drastically declining.


It was worse than 3 to 1 in late 2021.
When people died from completely non-Covid reasons, but tested positive, so we're labeled a Covid death due to the financial gravy train.

You wouldn't know the truth of it **** your mouth, or you're a troll. Either way nobody but a troll can be 100% "take the leftmost stance I can" on any topic you decide to **** on.

Disgrace to staff you're allowed to stick around.
Staff - take out the trash.
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In reply to Garrelli 5000 • 8:08p, 5/24/23
If you want to start a separate thread about how the federal government mismanaged the pandemic, please do.
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8:09p, 5/24/23
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:11p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
MaroonStain said:
Manhattan said:
MaroonStain said:
Manhattan said:
It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.


Even CDC admitted 0.006% IFR. That's 1 death per 16,666.666 (repeating of course) infected with COVID. For whataboutism comparison, fatality rate of diarrhea is 0.65%.

Diarrhea

As I stated on another thread, number of deaths from vaccines and boosters will surpass direct IFR of COVID.



Your math works out to 19,800 Americans dying from COVID if literally everyone got it..


Correct. Per CDC, direct COVID related IFR with zero pre-existing comorbidities was 0.006%. That was also all ages including 60+.


Even if that was correct it does not change the fact that 60% are still, currently, 80% more likely to die from COVID if unvaccinated.


So you are going to quote CDC "facts" that suit your argument but then question this particular CDC fact?

And you are going to ignore the death and societal toll of the lockdown? We know more who committed suicide because of the lockdown than we do who died from COVID.

As most of us said back then, which is now a cliche, the cure was worse than the disease.
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In reply to Garrelli 5000 • 8:11p, 5/24/23
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Ignore the troll
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In reply to YouBet • 8:12p, 5/24/23
Writing off every obese person or person with asthma who died of COVID is evil.

I never mentioned lockdowns. But if you want to discuss who put Fauci in charge, please start a thread.
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8:13p, 5/24/23
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Dang… better find something else to be obsessed with, like Teslas.

People don't forget!
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In reply to Logos Stick • 8:14p, 5/24/23
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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.
Hey Einstein, if a person wants to risk their own life not getting vaxxed, it's their choice.

The morons you support claimed that the unvaxxed were killing the vaxxed.
This is the truth.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:14p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
CS78 said:
Manhattan said:
It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.


If true, that would have to include all the deaths pre-vaccine. One of the many problems with the vaccine was that it hit the market right as death rates were drastically declining.


It was worse than 3 to 1 in late 2021.
The only thing that matters here is that you came here specifically to defend leftists all over creation that went out of their way to make ridiculous claims that this farce vaccine reduced transmission of the china virus. It absolutely did not. You came here to defend those same people that advocated for prosecution and isolation of those who would refuse to take this experimental jab. You came here to defend those who also peddled a fairy tale that somehow a blue surgical mask did anything to curb the spread of an aerosol respiratory virus. Run along.
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In reply to richardag • 8:16p, 5/24/23
Prior to Delta the vaccine did significantly reduce transmission.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:20p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Prior to Delta the vaccine did significantly reduce transmission.
Why are you still defending this? Take your L and move on…
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:21p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Prior to Delta the vaccine did significantly reduce transmission.
Bullcrap
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8:27p, 5/24/23
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It seems like it would be an incredible amount of work to gather all of these clips to make these montages.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:27p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Writing off every obese person or person with asthma who died of COVID is evil.

I never mentioned lockdowns. But if you want to discuss who put Fauci in charge, please start a thread.
I'm an asthmatic. I've had covid 3 times. From all research out there, Asthma has no correlation with a bad outcome from COVID. Don't include asthmatics in your lies.
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In reply to RafterAg223 • 8:41p, 5/24/23
This is information refuting this now, but the CDC said so which means if someone had it it would be on the list of comorbidities, thanks for proving my point.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/asthma.html#:~:text=Risk%20of%20severe%20illness%20from,Take%20steps%20to%20protect%20yourself.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:42p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Prior to Delta the vaccine did significantly reduce transmission.


That's how viruses and immune systems work. On their own.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:44p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
MaroonStain said:
Manhattan said:
MaroonStain said:
Manhattan said:
It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.


Even CDC admitted 0.006% IFR. That's 1 death per 16,666.666 (repeating of course) infected with COVID. For whataboutism comparison, fatality rate of diarrhea is 0.65%.

Diarrhea

As I stated on another thread, number of deaths from vaccines and boosters will surpass direct IFR of COVID.



Your math works out to 19,800 Americans dying from COVID if literally everyone got it..


Correct. Per CDC, direct COVID related IFR with zero pre-existing comorbidities was 0.006%. That was also all ages including 60+.


Even if that was correct it does not change the fact that 60% are still, currently, 80% more likely to die from COVID if unvaccinated.


Someone is starting to have a hard time defending how small their numbers are
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In reply to Oyster DuPree • 8:52p, 5/24/23
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:54p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.


Ah. Yes. I believe that.

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In reply to Gilligan • 8:54p, 5/24/23
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There's an entire forum for this kind of stuff.
And 95% of the posts on this thread including the OP would result in a ban and many would be permas if posted on F84.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:55p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.


BS!!!! You have absolutely zero evidence that would prove this assertion as fact.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:56p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Prior to Delta the vaccine did significantly reduce transmission.


Explain how that actually happened with a vaccine that's not actually a vaccine.
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In reply to RafterAg223 • 8:56p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.


BS!!!! You have absolutely zero evidence that would prove this assertion as fact.


Use the numbers I posted and back it out to May/June 2021.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

I haven't read this but it seems to say 300k.
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:57p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
RafterAg223 said:
Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.


BS!!!! You have absolutely zero evidence that would prove this assertion as fact.


Use the numbers I posted and back it out to May/June 2021.


Your numbers from the Washington department of health, LOL. Keep dreaming.
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In reply to RafterAg223 • 8:57p, 5/24/23
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

Where are your numbers, should be pretty easy to prove…
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In reply to Manhattan • 8:59p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

Where are your numbers, should be pretty easy to prove…


What, actual numbers that show greater than a 99.5% cumulative survival rate from a respiratory virus?
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:04p, 5/24/23
Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.


That's simply a lie.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:06p, 5/24/23
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

Math isn't hard.
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:09p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta

Math isn't hard.


You are posting garbage from NPR and calling it math. Go away, your virus lost and so did you. Go sell some tea.
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:10p, 5/24/23
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The dashboard models vaccine-preventable deaths based on real-world data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the New York Times
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:14p, 5/24/23
Manhattan said:
The number of people who died who would have lived if vaccinated, after the vaccine was available, is in the 100,000s.
lol, no. Not all that many died from covid, many died with covid, many deaths attributed to covid weren't.
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In reply to one safe place • 9:20p, 5/24/23
Well people die from their heart stopping, I guess it doesn't matter to you if COVID caused it…
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:21p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
TxSquarebody said:
Manhattan said:
It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.


Now take out all the deaths from BEFORE vaccine availability.


It's down since the last time I posted, probably because almost everyone has had COVID now, but you are still 60-80% more likely to die, and 280% (almost 3x) more likely to go to the hospital.

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf


That's not 3x as many deaths.
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:23p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Well people die from their heart stopping, I guess it doesn't matter to you if COVID VAC caused it…


FIFY you troll
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In reply to Manhattan • 9:23p, 5/24/23
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Manhattan said:
Well people die from their heart stopping, I guess it doesn't matter to you if COVID caused it…


stop pandering bs and lies.
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