International Covid Summit III - part 1 - European Parliament, Brussels - David Martin pic.twitter.com/ZxCMveMLUy

— SAGGIORI Jan (@saggiori) May 21, 2023

21 and a half minutes, but worth watching. Highly recommend.

By the time the Vax was approved in Nov 2020, Alpha was on the decline and Delta was ramping up. It doesn't even matter if it was effective (it wasn't sterilizing) as the virus was already mutating.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8757571/

"However, in persons infected with the delta variant, viral loads are similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated persons,8,16 although the duration of viral shedding may be reduced.17,18 The absence of a reported difference in viral loads between vaccinated and unvaccinated infected persons calls into question whether vaccination controls the spread of the delta variant as effectively as it controls the spread of the alpha variant and whether, with increased transmissibility,19 the maintained viral load after vaccination explains the rapid global spread of the delta variant despite increasing vaccination coverage."

The medical community was never ahead of the mutations. It was playing catchup and missing. As the vaccine was rolled out not enough people even had it going into summer when the more highly transmissible Delta was rocking and rolling. It's a function of what % of the population had it and when.

And as people got it it was less effective against the mutations. And that's how the vaccinated became the drivers of transmission. Similar to Marek's Disease.

Thankfully COVID isn't highly deadly and doesn't hit all population age ranges the same.

Good grief.

TxSquarebody said:

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Manhattan said:

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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.

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Now take out all the deaths from BEFORE vaccine availability.

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austinAG90 said:

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Manhattan said:

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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.

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Bless your heart. You keep believing that....

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Facts...only fools believe them. I listened to social media posts...that's where the truth lies.

BluHorseShu said:

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austinAG90 said:

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Manhattan said:

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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.

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Bless your heart. You keep believing that....

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Facts...only fools believe them. I listened to social media posts...that's where the truth lies.

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Better than listening to liberals who parade around as moderates.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Quote:

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Manhattan is just a staff sanctioned troll.

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Has to be.

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It's pretty incredible.

Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Manhattan said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Are you going to admit you were lying? Or are you just going to pretend you weren't called out on it?

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Post the lie, there's another link saying 20x, it started high, and as more and more people got COVID we got more herd immunity and now it's 1.8x, getting to herd immunity without everyone vaxed took an extra 300,000 deaths.

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We have not and never will reach herd immunity with COVID. It mutates too frequently. You don't know what you are talking about

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So we don't have 4,000 people in the US dying from COVID per day because _________?

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Because the fatality rate of Covid is now statistically insignificant. Vaccine or not.

Manhattan said:

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MaroonStain said:

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Manhattan said:

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MaroonStain said:

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Manhattan said:

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It is/was, last time I posted the data it was 3 to 1 deaths of unvaccinated to vaccinated.

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Even CDC admitted 0.006% IFR. That's 1 death per 16,666.666 (repeating of course) infected with COVID. For whataboutism comparison, fatality rate of diarrhea is 0.65%.

Diarrhea

As I stated on another thread, number of deaths from vaccines and boosters will surpass direct IFR of COVID.

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Your math works out to 19,800 Americans dying from COVID if literally everyone got it..

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Correct. Per CDC, direct COVID related IFR with zero pre-existing comorbidities was 0.006%. That was also all ages including 60+.

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Even if that was correct it does not change the fact that 60% are still, currently, 80% more likely to die from COVID if unvaccinated.

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lololol

keep on believin'!

Manhattan said:

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Because I like money, and I might move back when Texas is safer than NYC.

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Gotta love the constant trolling

akm91 said:

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Manhattan said:

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Because I like money, and I might move back when Texas is safer than NYC.

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Gotta love the constant trolling

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Please don't. It's far too dangerous for you here.

captkirk said:

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Manhattan said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Are you going to admit you were lying? Or are you just going to pretend you weren't called out on it?

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Post the lie, there's another link saying 20x, it started high, and as more and more people got COVID we got more herd immunity and now it's 1.8x, getting to herd immunity without everyone vaxed took an extra 300,000 deaths.

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We have not and never will reach herd immunity with COVID. It mutates too frequently. You don't know what you are talking about

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So we don't have 4,000 people in the US dying from COVID per day because _________?

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Because the fatality rate of Covid is now statistically insignificant. Vaccine or not.

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They made a big deal out of announcing the official end to covid.

All that means is, covid back to being the flu.

Too dangerous, too expensive, terrible healthcare, terrible education, no jobs.

It's why no one is moving to Texas and everyone is staying in California and NYC.

It is a tragedy what they've done to these people. pic.twitter.com/62TtymLwcG

— Dr. Simon Goddek (@goddeketal) May 25, 2023

P.H. Dexippus said:

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It is a tragedy what they've done to these people. pic.twitter.com/62TtymLwcG

— Dr. Simon Goddek (@goddeketal) May 25, 2023

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When it is still unsafe to travel, but getting to the Pride parade on time makes it worth the risk?