Still has to enforced.... to the fullest extent of the law.
The ATF is a corrupt and incompetent political tool, so no. Did you not see the hearings the last week? The head of the ATF cannot define a pistol brace but wants to make 30 million Americans felons on May 31st because of money or "reasons".Pumpkinhead said:
I remember one of the changes that Abbott proposed or was seriously considering after Ulvade was a 'red flag' law whereby authorities could seize your guns if you are considered an 'imminent threat'. But I am sure that stuff like that would freak some people out here given their distrust of law enforcement.
People here have seemed to compare owning guns to cars but there is a notable difference. Driving is clearly treated as 'privilege' in our country. Not a 'right'. There is nothing in the Bill Of Rights about 'the right to drive'.
Gun ownership however is considered a 'right' rather than a 'privilege'. Entirely different animal to legislate and politically navigate.
To better enforce the laws already on the books, would folks here support significantly more money spent increasing the size of law enforcement including the ATF to adequately enforce those laws, even it meant higher taxes or sacrificing something else you cared about politically?
Red flag laws are a very slippery slop.Pumpkinhead said:
I remember one of the changes that Abbott proposed or was seriously considering after Ulvade was a 'red flag' law whereby authorities could seize your guns if you are considered an 'imminent threat'. But I am sure that stuff like that would freak some people out here given their distrust of law enforcement.
People here have seemed to compare owning guns to cars but there is a notable difference. Driving is clearly treated as 'privilege' in our country. Not a 'right'. There is nothing in the Bill Of Rights about 'the right to drive'.
Gun ownership however is considered a 'right' rather than a 'privilege'. Entirely different animal to legislate and politically navigate.
To better enforce the laws already on the books, would folks here support significantly more money spent increasing the size of law enforcement including the ATF to adequately enforce those laws, even it meant higher taxes or sacrificing something else you cared about politically?
He probably ID'd as trans during the killing spree and that is why the marxist media is not saying anything.halfastros81 said:
I find it interesting that there's nothing out there about the ID of the Allen Shooter. At least not that I have seen and I have been looking.
fire09 said:
Anyone advocating for 'red flag laws' should, in principle be for the involuntary committment of high risk mentally disturbed and mentally ill, right? If not, please differentiate why one is ok and not the other.
Here you go buddyEX TEXASEX said:He probably ID'd as trans during the killing spree and that is why the marxist media is not saying anything.halfastros81 said:
I find it interesting that there's nothing out there about the ID of the Allen Shooter. At least not that I have seen and I have been looking.
Yeah I don't give a **** what you thinkFIDO_Ags said:
Watchful At, definitely not. I just don't think civilians nor police need semiautos with high cap mags. Rifles and shotguns are fine and everyone can agree on that.
And I just don't fear criminals having them and think that's a weak argument.
zwhag2010 said:
Talking about the Allen shooting I ask the gun control advocates what would have stopped him from driving his car into a crowd just as the Brownsville person did. There is outrage from your team that nothing is being done about guns but will be mute to the Brownsville killings
rocky the dog said:
DannyDuberstein said:
The irony of one party preaching gun control while not prosecuting and releasing dangerous criminals more quickly than ever. Are we here for the safety of Joe Law Abiding Citizen or not? Because this is approach is 100% at odds with his safety. Clearly they are not actually for Joe Citizen's safety. But the child-like mindset of some of the masses are useful to them
Is Abbott responsible for deaths in Chicago too?Bearpitbull said:DannyDuberstein said:
The irony of one party preaching gun control while not prosecuting and releasing dangerous criminals more quickly than ever. Are we here for the safety of Joe Law Abiding Citizen or not? Because this is approach is 100% at odds with his safety. Clearly they are not actually for Joe Citizen's safety. But the child-like mindset of some of the masses are useful to them
One party preaching the solution is mental health intervention while cutting $210 million in mental health programs also tells you how tone deaf and stupid our governor is in this state.
Republicans do not have a majority on any school board or city council in the largest cities in #CollinCounty. This includes #allentx. Keep voting Democrat, and crime will continue to rise. #AllenPremiumOutlets #AllenTexas. pic.twitter.com/KTaba0D5wU
— JessicaBartnick (@JessicaBartnick) May 8, 2023
I do, too. Posting "No Guns Allowed" signs won't stop mass shootings. Taking guns from law abiding citizens won't stop them. Suppose somehow this country passed a law banning possession of all firearms. Criminals would still get them, if for no other reason than being smuggled in by the Cartels (see War on Drugs).SteveA said:
I want to reduce mass shootings, especially in schools. Not exactly a gang banger forte.
Guess you're too ***** to realize that the Nazis were in Europe.Quote:Quote:
rocky the dog said:
So based on your logic and statistics, Europe is Godly and we are not. What happened to Reagan conservatives? Our country is in such trouble.
SteveA said:A ban on semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines would be a start. I'm not a gun control guy, but this happened about 4 miles from my house, and my kids were up there at the mall, so I'm a bit biased at the moment. This assault would be much more difficult for a guy armed with a 9mm handgun. The AR style weapons, or any semi auto with a pistol grip makes it too easy. Now, how do you get those out of the hands of people that do this stuff? I have no idea. Not a politician and don't claim to have answers. Obviously laws don't matter or they wouldn't be shooting up malls. But I don't think more guns is the answer. I don't think there is a need for these types of guns to be as available as they are. My opinion. Keeping it civil.Quote:
Will our resident gun control crowd please explain what gun laws would have stopped the more recent mass shootings?
PascalsWager said:
Liberals are wrong on the gun issue.
Conservatives are ALSO wrong on the gun issue.
Guns are not a problem. But people with guns are also not a real problem. Even bad guys with guns are barely a problem.
You're not going to die in a mass shooting. Your kid isn't going to die in a mass shooting as school. You're not ever going to be shot at. Knock on wood if you want, but the probabilities are extremely low. So low that other things of such low probabilities you don't even think about much less prepare for. You can live your ENTIRE life in America without even seeing a gun outside of it being attached to a cop's hip.
Guns are an irrelevancy in America. Outside some niche areas and situations. Stop trying to fix problems that don't exist. Its not the guns, its not the mental health, its not the godlessness, its NOTHING.
Who isn't? The solution is not to disarm the 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population that is responsible and law abiding.Quote:
I'm tired of innocent children being slaughtered in our country. It's disgusting.
B-1 83 said:Who isn't? The solution is not to disarm the 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population that is responsible and law abiding.Quote:
I'm tired of innocent children being slaughtered in our country. It's disgusting.
You obviously haven't read the whole thread that I started and posted on. Now, you were saying? What do you have to add, other than "I'm tired of seeing children shot"?AgsMyDude said:B-1 83 said:Who isn't? The solution is not to disarm the 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population that is responsible and law abiding.Quote:
I'm tired of innocent children being slaughtered in our country. It's disgusting.
Where did I say that was the solution?
But let me guess you think absolutely nothing needs changed on the gun reform side.
It's easy to say you're fed up with the murdering of children until it's time to even consider making changes
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But let me guess you think absolutely nothing needs changed on the gun reform side.
Quite a leap with that last part. I'm reasonably sure the posters on this thread are in favor of forbidding certain mentally ill people from legally purchasing a firearm. Are you in favor of it?fire09 said:
Can someone explain to me how a ban on high capacity magazines and "assault rifles" (let's just assume for the sake of argument we are talking about semi automatic long guns) will prevent a mass shooting?
It's been mentioned multiple times across multiple threads and nobody can articulate why that law would prevent these events.
I also still waiting on someone advocating for red flag laws to confirm they also agree with involuntary commitment of mentally ill.
Anyone?
Why is it a leap? If a person is so mentally ill that they can't be trusted with a gun, why should they be trusted with a car, a knife, fertilizer, etc.? Crazy is crazy.B-1 83 said:Quite a leap with that last part. I'm reasonably sure the posters on this thread are in favor of forbidding certain mentally ill people from legally purchasing a firearm. Are you in favor of it?fire09 said:
Can someone explain to me how a ban on high capacity magazines and "assault rifles" (let's just assume for the sake of argument we are talking about semi automatic long guns) will prevent a mass shooting?
It's been mentioned multiple times across multiple threads and nobody can articulate why that law would prevent these events.
I also still waiting on someone advocating for red flag laws to confirm they also agree with involuntary commitment of mentally ill.
Anyone?
The citizens of Uvalde booted out Beto.AgsMyDude said:PascalsWager said:
Liberals are wrong on the gun issue.
Conservatives are ALSO wrong on the gun issue.
Guns are not a problem. But people with guns are also not a real problem. Even bad guys with guns are barely a problem.
You're not going to die in a mass shooting. Your kid isn't going to die in a mass shooting as school. You're not ever going to be shot at. Knock on wood if you want, but the probabilities are extremely low. So low that other things of such low probabilities you don't even think about much less prepare for. You can live your ENTIRE life in America without even seeing a gun outside of it being attached to a cop's hip.
Guns are an irrelevancy in America. Outside some niche areas and situations. Stop trying to fix problems that don't exist. Its not the guns, its not the mental health, its not the godlessness, its NOTHING.
Soo what do you say to the parents from Uvalde, Nashville, etc. ?
Sorry your kids were murdered unnecessarily but the odds are low. You just got unlucky?
I'm tired of innocent children being slaughtered in our country. It's disgusting.
What mass shootings would have been stopped by "gun reform"AgsMyDude said:B-1 83 said:Who isn't? The solution is not to disarm the 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the population that is responsible and law abiding.Quote:
I'm tired of innocent children being slaughtered in our country. It's disgusting.
Where did I say that was the solution?
But let me guess you think absolutely nothing needs changed on the gun reform side.
It's easy to say you're fed up with the murdering of children until it's time to even consider making changes