BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
When you see someone mention cosmetic firearm features as relating to lethality, you can pour their firearms knowledge into a tiny thimble. And their opinions about guns should be immediately disregarded.
BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
The_Desert_Fox said:BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
When you see someone mention cosmetic firearm features as relating to lethality, you can pour their firearms knowledge into a tiny thimble. And their opinions about guns should be immediately disregarded.
B-1 83 said:
Please explain what measures would/should make them more difficult to obtain.
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They must also pass a medical fitness check, which includes mental fitness.
They are not the #1 choice of weapons in these kinds of incidents.Quote:
That's why pistols are almost never used.
Oh....wait, they're the #1 weapon of choice in crimes. Nevermind.
Glad your kids are safe, but don't let emotions cloud your judgement.
B-1 83 said:See the Sutherland Springs shootings. Shooter was flagged by the USAF (for family violence, I believe) and the flag was never disseminated down the line. This is certainly an area that needs attention.Lesotho said:
I think all guns should be legal but can someone lose their right to easily obtain one? In basic training we had a kid that was suicidal and told behavioral health he wanted to hurt people. He was banned from the range and was discharged. Does he still get to walk in and buy a semi-automatic rifle in a matter of minutes? I support the 2nd amendment but can we toss in some logic?
Lesotho said:TequilaMockingbird said:
When you talk about banning AR-15 style "assault" weapons, I always go back to the same thought. Just keeping the discussion about guns, what would prevent someone from doing the same thing with a Winchester 30-30, or a 9mm pistol, or a shotgun?
Casualty count would be lower. I don't support semi automatic rifle ban but I do support making them more difficult to acquire. Yes criminals will find a way, but there are a lot of school shooters that walked in and purchased legally and quickly.
I don't know. This is an outdoor mall, and this guy was lighting people up from across the street. Could he have done that with a pistol? Maybe? But the semi auto rifle makes it easier.Quote:
So by your thinking, should any semi auto pistol be banned as well? What about drum mags that can hold as many as 100 rds? I'd be more worried about an idiot with a pistol and several 30 rd mags going inside the mall. It would be much more difficult to see him beforehand, and a lot easier for him to move around with a handgun.
Lesotho said:TequilaMockingbird said:
When you talk about banning AR-15 style "assault" weapons, I always go back to the same thought. Just keeping the discussion about guns, what would prevent someone from doing the same thing with a Winchester 30-30, or a 9mm pistol, or a shotgun?
Casualty count would be lower. I don't support semi automatic rifle ban but I do support making them more difficult to acquire. Yes criminals will find a way, but there are a lot of school shooters that walked in and purchased legally and quickly.
I would imagine true.Quote:
True or False:
more people murdered by handguns than semi auto rifles?
By that same token, he could well have simply walked into a couple of crowded stores with a pair of 9mm and done just as much, if not more damage. He only gained range, not killing power. To top it off, handguns are much easier to conceal.SteveA said:I don't know. This is an outdoor mall, and this guy was lighting people up from across the street. Could he have done that with a pistol? Maybe? But the semi auto rifle makes it easier.Quote:
So by your thinking, should any semi auto pistol be banned as well? What about drum mags that can hold as many as 100 rds? I'd be more worried about an idiot with a pistol and several 30 rd mags going inside the mall. It would be much more difficult to see him beforehand, and a lot easier for him to move around with a handgun.
FalseSteveA said:I would imagine true.Quote:
True or False:
more people murdered by handguns than semi auto rifles?
Now, true or false. More mass shootings are done with semi auto rifles than handguns.
False, and not even close. More sensationalized mass shootings are.SteveA said:I would imagine true.Quote:
True or False:
more people murdered by handguns than semi auto rifles?
Now, true or false. More mass shootings are done with semi auto rifles than handguns.
SteveA said:A ban on semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines would be a start. I'm not a gun control guy, but this happened about 4 miles from my house, and my kids were up there at the mall, so I'm a bit biased at the moment. This assault would be much more difficult for a guy armed with a 9mm handgun. The AR style weapons, or any semi auto with a pistol grip makes it too easy. Now, how do you get those out of the hands of people that do this stuff? I have no idea. Not a politician and don't claim to have answers. Obviously laws don't matter or they wouldn't be shooting up malls. But I don't think more guns is the answer. I don't think there is a need for these types of guns to be as available as they are. My opinion. Keeping it civil.Quote:
Will our resident gun control crowd please explain what gun laws would have stopped the more recent mass shootings?
SteveA said:They are not the #1 choice of weapons in these kinds of incidents.Quote:
That's why pistols are almost never used.
Oh....wait, they're the #1 weapon of choice in crimes. Nevermind.
Glad your kids are safe, but don't let emotions cloud your judgement.
SteveA said:I would imagine true.Quote:
True or False:
more people murdered by handguns than semi auto rifles?
Now, true or false. More mass shootings are done with semi auto rifles than handguns.
bmks270 said:SteveA said:A ban on semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines would be a start. I'm not a gun control guy, but this happened about 4 miles from my house, and my kids were up there at the mall, so I'm a bit biased at the moment. This assault would be much more difficult for a guy armed with a 9mm handgun. The AR style weapons, or any semi auto with a pistol grip makes it too easy. Now, how do you get those out of the hands of people that do this stuff? I have no idea. Not a politician and don't claim to have answers. Obviously laws don't matter or they wouldn't be shooting up malls. But I don't think more guns is the answer. I don't think there is a need for these types of guns to be as available as they are. My opinion. Keeping it civil.Quote:
Will our resident gun control crowd please explain what gun laws would have stopped the more recent mass shootings?
If you want to reduce gun murders, you would ban pistols, not rifles.
When you're only able to argue on emotion, everything is an emotional argument, facts be damnedDannyDuberstein said:
Facts are like kryptonite to a liberal gun grabber
A grip is a bit more than a cosmetic feature. Maybe if you had the knowledge you claim to, instead of the basic talking points, you would know what those advantages are. Hell, in one of the school shootings, the shooter wielded the rifle with a single hand. Can you do that effectively with a traditional stock? Regardless if you want to discard my post because a tiny part, semi auto and high capacity make for a more lethal combo in these circumstances than a handgun.Quote:Quote:The_Desert_Fox said:Quote:
BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
When you see someone mention cosmetic firearm features as relating to lethality, you can pour their firearms knowledge into a tiny thimble. And their opinions about guns should be immediately disregarded.
100% this
SteveA said:A ban on semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines would be a start. I'm not a gun control guy, but this happened about 4 miles from my house, and my kids were up there at the mall, so I'm a bit biased at the moment. This assault would be much more difficult for a guy armed with a 9mm handgun. The AR style weapons, or any semi auto with a pistol grip makes it too easy. Now, how do you get those out of the hands of people that do this stuff? I have no idea. Not a politician and don't claim to have answers. Obviously laws don't matter or they wouldn't be shooting up malls. But I don't think more guns is the answer. I don't think there is a need for these types of guns to be as available as they are. My opinion. Keeping it civil.Quote:
Will our resident gun control crowd please explain what gun laws would have stopped the more recent mass shootings?
Please don't. I want an honest look into what goes through the mind of people determined to reduce gun violence through gun laws.The_Desert_Fox said:bmks270 said:SteveA said:A ban on semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines would be a start. I'm not a gun control guy, but this happened about 4 miles from my house, and my kids were up there at the mall, so I'm a bit biased at the moment. This assault would be much more difficult for a guy armed with a 9mm handgun. The AR style weapons, or any semi auto with a pistol grip makes it too easy. Now, how do you get those out of the hands of people that do this stuff? I have no idea. Not a politician and don't claim to have answers. Obviously laws don't matter or they wouldn't be shooting up malls. But I don't think more guns is the answer. I don't think there is a need for these types of guns to be as available as they are. My opinion. Keeping it civil.Quote:
Will our resident gun control crowd please explain what gun laws would have stopped the more recent mass shootings?
If you want to reduce gun murders, you would ban pistols, not rifles.
You misspelled young black males, but you're right.
SteveA said:A grip is a bit more than a cosmetic feature. Maybe if you had the knowledge you claim to, instead of the basic talking points, you would know what those advantages are. Hell, in one of the school shootings, the shooter wielded the rifle with a single hand. Can you do that effectively with a traditional stock? Regardless if you want to discard my post because a tiny part, semi auto and high capacity make for a more lethal combo in these circumstances than a handgun.Quote:Quote:The_Desert_Fox said:Quote:
BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
When you see someone mention cosmetic firearm features as relating to lethality, you can pour their firearms knowledge into a tiny thimble. And their opinions about guns should be immediately disregarded.
100% this
Please just stop trying to argue as if you have one ounce of understanding how a firearm works.SteveA said:A grip is a bit more than a cosmetic feature. Maybe if you had the knowledge you claim to, instead of the basic talking points, you would know what those advantages are. Hell, in one of the school shootings, the shooter wielded the rifle with a single hand. Can you do that effectively with a traditional stock? Regardless if you want to discard my post because a tiny part, semi auto and high capacity make for a more lethal combo in these circumstances than a handgun.Quote:Quote:The_Desert_Fox said:Quote:
BaitShack said:
You lost me at pistol grip.
When you see someone mention cosmetic firearm features as relating to lethality, you can pour their firearms knowledge into a tiny thimble. And their opinions about guns should be immediately disregarded.
100% this