LegalDrugPusher said:
On May 6 McKinney residents will vote to approve or disapprove a $200 million bond to create the metroplexes 3rd commercial airport.
I live in McKinney and I will be voting Yes and it seems like the airport bind will pass.
The Collin County region is fast growing and the fastest growing County in America with so much business and entertainment in this county alone or at the very least in far east Denton County the Frisco side the demand for another commercial airport is overdue.
The terminal will initially have 4 gates and I hear 2 airlines will serve McKinney National supposedly American and Delta with destinations yet to be determined. If Delta is one of the carriers Atlanta will for sure be a destination. Chicago, LA, Houston and New York are possible other cities.
The airport will attract passengers well beyond Collin County such as Southern Oklahoma, East Texas such as Paris and the Sherman/Denison area which will be much more convenient for potential passengers than driving all the way to DFW or Love Field.
Here are some renderings of what this airport will look like.
dead said:
What changed your mind?
cslifer said:
Waiting on OP to come and explain why he changed his mind when he posted about how strongly he was for it….50/50 we don't get an explanation.
dead said:
What changed your mind?
Edit: Especially considering that two weeks ago (from May 6) was 2 days after the thread was started
Aston04 said:
Would be pretty fun to spend $200 million so people can fly an AA commuter flight from McKinney to DFW to connect...
Aston04 said:
Would be pretty fun to spend $200 million so people can fly an AA commuter flight from McKinney to DFW to connect...
What's funny is I know SEVERAL people that work for the FAA that will not fly on commuter flights. They've flown into IAH and driven here rather than catch that short flight...Aston04 said:
Would be pretty fun to spend $200 million so people can fly an AA commuter flight from McKinney to DFW to connect...
BoDog said:
If memory serves, OP is a big anti-Fuller guy (as am I) so maybe that had something to do with it?
Having said that, the morons in McKinney really F'ed up on this one. McKinney is well on its way to Garland 2.0!
NOTE: Fuller is the mayor for those of you wondering...
Urban Air Mobility is on its way...Get Off My Lawn said:
I generally hate government transportation - but if you want to make DFW air travel better - you don't need to add mediocre alternatives: you need to make getting to DFW far easier. Crank the "remote lot" idea up to 11. Park 20 miles away and be done with it rather than needing to fight traffic.
The ability to bypass traffic is big, so that could be a good option. Heli pads east and west of the runways serviced by the tram to lilypad folks to respective nodes in corners of the metroplex…Ag with kids said:Urban Air Mobility is on its way...Get Off My Lawn said:
I generally hate government transportation - but if you want to make DFW air travel better - you don't need to add mediocre alternatives: you need to make getting to DFW far easier. Crank the "remote lot" idea up to 11. Park 20 miles away and be done with it rather than needing to fight traffic.
(Think Uber air taxis).
New ConOps dropped in the last few days...
Im Gipper said:
Really? What was reason?
Well...we call them vertiports, but yes, you've got the overall concept.Get Off My Lawn said:The ability to bypass traffic is big, so that could be a good option. Heli pads east and west of the runways serviced by the tram to lilypad folks to respective nodes in corners of the metroplex…Ag with kids said:Urban Air Mobility is on its way...Get Off My Lawn said:
I generally hate government transportation - but if you want to make DFW air travel better - you don't need to add mediocre alternatives: you need to make getting to DFW far easier. Crank the "remote lot" idea up to 11. Park 20 miles away and be done with it rather than needing to fight traffic.
(Think Uber air taxis).
New ConOps dropped in the last few days...
American Airlines (Ft Worth) and Southwest Airlines(Dallas) run things in the metroplex.Ag CPA said:
Doubt this ever comes to fruition.
I assume they walk to the DART station?Kellso said:American Airlines (Ft Worth) and Southwest Airlines(Dallas) run things in the metroplex.Ag CPA said:
Doubt this ever comes to fruition.
This was never going to happen when two of the biggest employers in the area have both sunk millions of dollars into each of the two main airports.
Not enough demand in McKinney for something that is already in place at Love Field and DFW.
The Airports in Southern California such as Ontario, Orange County, Long Beach...etc service a much higher population base than Eastern Collin County.
Someone that live in Frisco can easily get to Love Field via the Dallas North Tollway, or DFW by using 121. The DART Rail Silver line will allow someone to ride from Plano, or Richardson directly to the airport without having to use a car.
If you live at Cityplace in Richardson you won't have to get in a car at all to get to the DFW airport.Ag with kids said:I assume they walk to the DART station?Kellso said:American Airlines (Ft Worth) and Southwest Airlines(Dallas) run things in the metroplex.Ag CPA said:
Doubt this ever comes to fruition.
This was never going to happen when two of the biggest employers in the area have both sunk millions of dollars into each of the two main airports.
Not enough demand in McKinney for something that is already in place at Love Field and DFW.
The Airports in Southern California such as Ontario, Orange County, Long Beach...etc service a much higher population base than Eastern Collin County.
Someone that live in Frisco can easily get to Love Field via the Dallas North Tollway, or DFW by using 121. The DART Rail Silver line will allow someone to ride from Plano, or Richardson directly to the airport without having to use a car.
Love Field is one of the best Airports in the entire country.Urban Ag said:
Disclaimer, I didn't read the whole thread. Also not sure why LDP would change his mind and hopefully he explains.
That said, seemed like a very worthwhile idea to me. I know there are plenty of Ags who post here that live in work in that area. I commuted to Plano from Georgetown for nearly a decade. It sucked.
Driving to Bergstrom than flying to DFW is a pain in the ass and an even bigger pain once you land at DFW and have to get to the Plano/Frisco/McKinney area. You know, literally the most economically vibrant place in the country.
Driving from the Austin area is likewise a pain in the ass because of two specific reasons. Road construction on 35 and then getting through downtown Dallas. It could take three hours in perfect conditions, it could take 5-6 going up or coming home if traffic, weather, or construction was the suck.
Love Field sucks. The whole area sucks.
My guess would be that the real drive behind this was higher end flyers that want to get in to and out of Collin Co without having to deal with DFW or the rest of the metroplex. Like flying in to OC instead of LAX. Captain Obvious, I get it, but seems like a great idea.
Bro, thats exactly how development work. If you build it, they will come.LegalDrugPusher said:
We changed our mind because there has not been anything from any airline saying that yes we will be flying there all just a big wait-and-see approach which I did not like
American Airlines was never going to support a 3rd Airport in McKinney when they are about to sink a ton of $$$$ to Build Terminal F.BassCowboy33 said:
This is shocking to me. The people I have spoken to in the region were really excited about this, public officials and private citizens alike.
The only thing I can find on this is that some residents were complaining it would bring too many people and unwanted noise to the area, which are terrible reasons to halt economic growth. There could very well be other reasons as well.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2023/05/16/dfw-airport-restarting-work-on-pandemic-delayed-sixth-terminal/Quote:
DFW International Airport and American Airlines have come to a deal for $4.8 billion in expansions, including $1.6 billion for a new terminal that would include 15 new gates.
It would restart work delayed when the COVID-19 pandemic upended the airline industry and added uncertainty to the growth of the airport and the entire air travel industry. But travel demand has come back strong, giving the airport and primary tenant American Airlines the confidence to expand again.
The new Terminal F would expand the airport's existing 168 gates and give room to grow up to 100 million passengers in the next six or seven years, airport CEO Sean Donohue said while announcing the project Tuesday morning.
"It creates the framework of how we share the economic benefits of the airport with our airline partners," Donohue said.
