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🚨New Truth Social post from Trump about DeSantis pic.twitter.com/mwJpY1mmUG

— Jenna Ellis 🇺🇸 (@JennaEllisEsq) April 10, 2023

Don't dare challenge the Don! MAGA will not forgive you.

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Lil nervous Donny??

Hombre naranja malvado

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Rapier108 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The replies from the Trumpsters on this thread just proves why my comment on page 1 is 100% correct.

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The lazy comment on page 1 that tries to be cute saying things like "Cult of Trump" and "burning down the GOP"?

Seems posters like you are more "Cult of Anti-Trump" and could be said to equally wanting to burn down the GOP.

If I were you, I would be embarrassed and not gloating.

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The fact that I can realize that Trump cannot win, and the cult of personality around him is a threat to the Republic is something I wear with as a badge of honor.

If you can't see it, take off the orange colored glasses.

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Got it. Nice tweets it is. You wear that bade but is has nothing to do with any threats to the Republic.

Lazy comment on orange colored glasses continues the laziness.

Some of you old dogs need to learn new tricks.

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And some of you wishful thinkers need to face reality

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Nitro Power said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Uh, he is alienating a big portion of people who once supported him. He keeps it up, and all that will be left is the diehard cult members. Trump is not the end all be all he thinks he is.

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If you only look through the lens of Forum 16, you would be right, but this isn't a real sampling of how it is in reality across the country . Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Strongly disagree. I know many who have turned on him.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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Okay. Well what (non-anecdotal) metric are you using to support your claim?

Bonfire1996 said:

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I love Trump. I love what he did for America. I love the way he fights.

I don't love how he alienates people who can help implement a conservative agenda. That alienation has reached a point where Trump has two roadblocks.

1. He cannot get elected by just his base
2. He cannot build a team to effectively take on the entrenched establishment.

To me, this is obvious. It places a definitive ceiling on his ability to win and work. I say this as a man eternally grateful for Trump and the MAGA movement.

DeSantis has no such ceiling.

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I also do not love Trump because how he alienates people and the dumbarse remarks on social media and at his rallies.

Regarding 1, he somehow got elected in 2016 and came awfully close in 2020 despite debatable fairness of the election process and a complete abomination by the treatment of him by MSM, social media and the alphabet agencies.

Share you concerns on 2 and why I would, as of today, cast a primary vote for Ronnie D.

Agree, DeSantis is not currently limited by an identifiable ceiling, but there is a long way to go.

Not at you, but many others on this thread have issues with one not willing to bag on Trump as being a Never DeSantir.

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fka ftc said:

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Got it. Nice tweets it is. You wear that bade but is has nothing to do with any threats to the Republic.

Lazy comment on orange colored glasses continues the laziness.

Some of you old dogs need to learn new tricks.

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And some of you wishful thinkers need to face reality

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Who is this directed at? I do thinking but I do not participate in wishing and fantasizing. Perhaps this comment was meant for others.

GeorgiAg said:

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I'm sure the independents and CM who didn't vote for him in 2020 are all going to be super pumped to vote for him when he has 3-4 indictments pending.

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Have your Biden 2024 shirt and campaign materials arrived yet?

Anyone who thinks Trump has any shot of winning anything

Not sure I would be gloating with a voting record like yours

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Retired FBI Agent said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Nitro Power said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Uh, he is alienating a big portion of people who once supported him. He keeps it up, and all that will be left is the diehard cult members. Trump is not the end all be all he thinks he is.

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If you only look through the lens of Forum 16, you would be right, but this isn't a real sampling of how it is in reality across the country . Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Strongly disagree. I know many who have turned on him.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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Okay. Well what (non-anecdotal) metric are you using to support your claim?

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I'm sure the independents and CM who didn't vote for him in 2020 are all going to be super pumped to vote for him when he has 3-4 indictments pending.

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The indictments don't even matter. Does anyone think he's flipped a vote since the last time he lost? Conversely, does anyone think he hasn't lost votes since then? He's a worse candidate than he was the last time he lost. His only chance of winning is having a terrible opponent (much like 2016). But even then, we're talking about an opponent so bad that any alternative could win… And in that case, there are better options than Trump.

GeorgiAg said:

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Retired FBI Agent said:

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Nitro Power said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Uh, he is alienating a big portion of people who once supported him. He keeps it up, and all that will be left is the diehard cult members. Trump is not the end all be all he thinks he is.

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If you only look through the lens of Forum 16, you would be right, but this isn't a real sampling of how it is in reality across the country . Trump support is just as high as it was in 2020 as it is now , has he lost some supporters? yes but not enough to make a dent.

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Strongly disagree. I know many who have turned on him.

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I'm sure you do. I know plenty as well, but those are anecdotal instances they don't amount to anything in the grand scheme of things.

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Okay. Well what (non-anecdotal) metric are you using to support your claim?

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I'm sure the independents and CM who didn't vote for him in 2020 are all going to be super pumped to vote for him when he has 3-4 indictments pending.

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There are actually posters that think people that didn't vote for Trump in 20 are now going to vote for him in 24 because COVID's over and they're tired of seeing him
be attached by the establishment.

Nitro Power said:

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Anyone who thinks Trump has any shot of winning anything

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Reality is Trump is the frontrunner for the R nominee as of today. So rationale thought would indicate Trump could very well be the R nominee against Biden or other undetermined at this point D.

But folks are certain Trump will lose and as such want to see him shut up and go away?

That doesn't seem like a winning nor well thought out strategy.

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Regarding 1, he somehow got elected in 2016 and came awfully close in 2020 despite debatable fairness of the election process and a complete abomination by the treatment of him by MSM, social media and the alphabet agencies.

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Very true. However, the list of people who will not vote for him as a known quantity, no matter what, is going from about 50 million in 2016 to, conservatively, 100 million in 2024. That's a major electability problem.

I'll vote trump if he's the nominee, but I'll be preparing, financially, for the coattails of Trump to deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate for Democrats and a 20 seat majority for the Dems in the House.

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Regarding 1, he somehow got elected in 2016 and came awfully close in 2020 despite debatable fairness of the election process and a complete abomination by the treatment of him by MSM, social media and the alphabet agencies.

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Very true. However, the list of people who will not vote for him as a known quantity, no matter what, is going from about 50 million in 2016 to, conservatively, 100 million in 2024. That's a major electability problem.

I'll vote trump if he's the nominee, but I'll be preparing, financially, for the coattails of Trump to deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate for Democrats and a 20 seat majority for the Dems in the House.

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You adding 21 Senate seats? Or 20 seats and a D as VP?

The polling of independents has gotten measurably worse since indictment number 1.

Just wait till indictment number 2 in Georgia that has Republican State Officials as witnesses for the prosecution. I wouldn't be shocked to see Trump poll in the low double digits with independents soon.

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Bonfire1996 said:

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Regarding 1, he somehow got elected in 2016 and came awfully close in 2020 despite debatable fairness of the election process and a complete abomination by the treatment of him by MSM, social media and the alphabet agencies.

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Very true. However, the list of people who will not vote for him as a known quantity, no matter what, is going from about 50 million in 2016 to, conservatively, 100 million in 2024. That's a major electability problem.

I'll vote trump if he's the nominee, but I'll be preparing, financially, for the coattails of Trump to deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate for Democrats and a 20 seat majority for the Dems in the House.

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You adding 21 Senate seats? Or 20 seats and a D as VP?

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No, the Dems already have a 51-49 majority now. They add between 8-12 with Trump as GOP nominee

Nitro Power said:

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit

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Well, then maybe writing is not yours???

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deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate

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Oh, you clearly meant that as 59 to 62 majority not 59 v 62 (which equals 120 + VP or 121). Got it.

Maybe think before you ad hom on my ability to read.

Rapier108 said:

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And the Cult of Trump will just think its the greatest thing ever said.

They want to burn down the GOP and the country just to give their orange god one last chance to lose an election and then claim it was stolen.

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Happy to see you agree he still hasn't "lost" one.

fka ftc said:

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Tramp96 said:

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I think you're misreading the responses.

The "hate" and "trashing", as you say, are all in response to Trump launching unprovoked attacks on other Republicans.

The "hate" and "trashing" are originating from Trump and we are just tired of it. Trump is unhinged, not us.

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But not tired of it to just ignore it and focus on the opposition trying to ruin the Country. Got it.

Its lazy and easy to pick at Trump but it does not accomplish a ******* thing. That is what many of you misread about anyone who chooses not to pile on Trump and those who warn to not go all in on DeSantis this early on.

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Huh? I'm not picking up what you are laying down.

We are RESPONDING to his comments. And they are tiresome. Very tiresome. Are we not allowed to respond to his comments? What he's doing is divisive and not productive. There is zero reason for him to be lashing out at DeSantis right now. Zero. Zip. But he's doing it anyway.

What is this accomplishing? Nothing constructive. The only thing he's accomplishing is sowing the seeds of division amongst the conservatives/Republicans.

How does that do any good?

fka ftc said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit

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Well, then maybe writing is not yours???

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deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate

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Oh, you clearly meant that as 59 to 62 majority not 59 v 62 (which equals 120 + VP or 121). Got it.

Maybe think before you ad hom on my ability to read.

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Thank goodness you don't have an Ag tag...

What work is he doing to stem the tide of the woke and left? I'm all ears.

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fka ftc said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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Regarding 1, he somehow got elected in 2016 and came awfully close in 2020 despite debatable fairness of the election process and a complete abomination by the treatment of him by MSM, social media and the alphabet agencies.

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Very true. However, the list of people who will not vote for him as a known quantity, no matter what, is going from about 50 million in 2016 to, conservatively, 100 million in 2024. That's a major electability problem.

I'll vote trump if he's the nominee, but I'll be preparing, financially, for the coattails of Trump to deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate for Democrats and a 20 seat majority for the Dems in the House.

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You adding 21 Senate seats? Or 20 seats and a D as VP?

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No, the Dems already have a 51-49 majority now. They add between 8-12 with Trump as GOP nominee

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The numbers simply say that is not possible, no matter who is at the top of the Republican ticket.

Democrats are defending 20 seats, Republicans 11.

Of those 11, very few are even remotely venerable and only Rick Scott and Ted Cruz had close elections in 2018.

Scott is probably safe since he'll have DeSantis on his side (nominee or not) and the Democrats do not have another Beta to challenge Cruz. The only Democrat who could win is Henry Cuellar.

Arizona is a total wildcard since it will be a Republican, Democrat, and Independent (Sinema) running.

On the Democrat side, they have to defend several vulnerable and/or empty seats.

Michigan-Open Seat (Likely Safe D due to Democrats making voter fraud part of the law)
Montana (Should be a Republican gain, but Tester is harder to remove than a tick.)
Nevada (will be close one way or the other)
Ohio (Also should be a Republican gain, but Brown is so dug in he could survive a nuke.)
Pennsylvania (will all depends on the Republican candidate, a MAGA wingnut won't win)
Virginia (rated safe D, but as Youngkin showed, a Republican can win there)
West Virginia (Considered the seat most likely to flip)
Wisconsin (Likely safe D, but will not be a blowout unless its a MAGA wingnut on the R side)

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Rapier108 said:

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And the Cult of Trump will just think its the greatest thing ever said.

They want to burn down the GOP and the country just to give their orange god one last chance to lose an election and then claim it was stolen.

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By Cult do you mean the people he brought to the GOP? The people the GOP were not able to bring out to vote for the longest time?

Blue collar Dems, Hispanics and non educated whites.

Those are the people you are referring to and they are the people the GOP need to win the election period

Without his "cult" the GOP does not have a chance.

So if they are following the guy that got them to come out to begin with, they are not burning down anything.

Morons on here want to bad mouth his hardcore followers, but yall aren't sh** without them and damn sure won't win without them. With that being the case, it is Pretty dumb to refer to them as cult members and bad mouth them

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He brought all of those at the expense of the CM and moderate democrat votes. So if he can't get the CM and moderate dem to vote for him, which is absolutely needed to win in 2024, what has the GOP gained? If anything it has created a net loss. Take 2020 as your lead example.

Now, lets look at DeSantis. Barely won FL in 2018 (Won by like 0.3% I believe) and within four years turned the state into a R+20. Now, what does that say about DeSantis and his ability to lead and gain the CM and moderate democrat vote? The votes NEEDED to win in 2024.

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He actually did get the blue collar/moderate dem vote. Something no Republican since Reagan was able to do

He got 74 million votes, the next closest Republican candidate was 62 million in Bush 2004. Mitt Romney got 61 million.

So Republicans were basically topped out in the lower 60 millions range. WITH THE CONCERNED MODERATE VOTE, net loss my ass

Trump got 63 million in 2016 and 74 million in 2020.

Your net loss is complete BS, expense of moderate/blue collar Dem is BS

How many votes does this concerned moderate vote total with 74 million in the tally? My guess is not very damn much

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fka ftc said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit

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Well, then maybe writing is not yours???

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deliver a 59-62 seat majority in the Senate

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Oh, you clearly meant that as 59 to 62 majority not 59 v 62 (which equals 120 + VP or 121). Got it.

Maybe think before you ad hom on my ability to read.

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Thank goodness you don't have an Ag tag...

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Awesome. I have two degrees from Texas A&M. Do I need an AgTag in order to decipher one's meaning when they write ambiguous posts and figures? Is it like the GPA v GPR code speak for grades?

If you want to refer to a "seat majority", most people would write that as "deliver a 9 to 12 seat majority" or as a "62-38 seat majority".

It funny to watch folks try and pile on.

You guys don't get anything on you with your Ronnie D worship. The way it's going in this thread the excitement may lead to a mess.

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I swear I think some of you think Trump should campaign for DeSantis.

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Best reply! You can tell these people are not in the industry. Their contributions to politics starts and ends on TexAgs. Nothing wrong with that but they post some very ignorant unintelligent posts that expose how little so many of these posters truly know.

99% on here are not out in the field the streets the grassroots doing a damn thing other that barfing their ignorant uninformed opinions on forum 16.

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Read my post on Page 1 if you want my unsolicited advice to Trump:

Quit attacking DeSantis. It's petty and divisive but more importantly it just turns people off. Even Trump voters like DsSantis outside of a very, very small group who likely will still vote for DeSantis in the end provided he doesn't get personal against Trump.

Treat DeSantis as if he is no different than Haley or Vivek, ie none of them are a threat to him. He needs to act like he is Chairman of the Board and they are just some upstarts. When he gets petty and attacks DeSantis it elevates DeSantis above the others and that's counterproductive for him, he benefits from a large field. It also works against his "inevitability" argument.

Hit Biden up daily and hit him on policy. Try and be specific and show alternatives. He's spending his cycles talking about the indictment or DeSantis instead of the person who over 60% of the country thinks is unworthy of re-election. Trump won the first time because he could connect with voters and talk about issues that others were not talking about and showed how he would fight for them. Now he is asking them to fight for him in his legal issues. That's going to be a problem down the road because in the end people vote for the guy that will help them not the guy who needs their help.

On that point Trump should be talking about finding peace in Ukraine and fleshing out his Mercantilism strategy in foreign policy. It's outstanding and on point. Trump's biggest wins and most popular policies that crossed the aisle. He crushed it on trade deals and he recognized the threat from China first and began pushing us away. It's one of the few areas he has a policy advantage over DeSantis on as well because Trump has an excellent record there and DeSantis has no record.

Of course I would much prefer Trump bow out and back DeSantis and look at how he can help him win and get big majorities in both Houses for the GOP. If he insists on staying in he should at least try not to damage DeSantis with lies about him that will suck in some LIV who might actually believe DeSantis is a Globalist RINO pawn of Jeb and Soros who is also probably a gay pedo. That isn't productive for anyone. I do have hope that somehow he is really doing all this to take the arrows and later back DeSantis but I'm not holding my breath, that seems more like dreaming.

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Rapier108 said:

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And the Cult of Trump will just think its the greatest thing ever said.

They want to burn down the GOP and the country just to give their orange god one last chance to lose an election and then claim it was stolen.

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By Cult do you mean the people he brought to the GOP? The people the GOP were not able to bring out to vote for the longest time?

Blue collar Dems, Hispanics and non educated whites.

Those are the people you are referring to and they are the people the GOP need to win the election period

Without his "cult" the GOP does not have a chance.

So if they are following the guy that got them to come out to begin with, they are not burning down anything.

Morons on here want to bad mouth his hardcore followers, but yall aren't sh** without them and damn sure won't win without them. With that being the case, it is Pretty dumb to refer to them as cult members and bad mouth them

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He brought all of those at the expense of the CM and moderate democrat votes. So if he can't get the CM and moderate dem to vote for him, which is absolutely needed to win in 2024, what has the GOP gained? If anything it has created a net loss. Take 2020 as your lead example.

Now, lets look at DeSantis. Barely won FL in 2018 (Won by like 0.3% I believe) and within four years turned the state into a R+20. Now, what does that say about DeSantis and his ability to lead and gain the CM and moderate democrat vote? The votes NEEDED to win in 2024.

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He actually did get the blue collar/moderate dem vote. Something no Republican since Reagan was able to do

He got 74 million votes, the next closest Republican candidate was 62 million in Bush 2004. Mitt Romney got 61 million.

So Republicans were basically topped out in the lower 60 millions range. WITH THE CONCERNED MODERATE VOTE, net loss my ass

Trump got 63 million in 2016 and 74 million in 2020.

Your net loss is complete BS, expense of moderate/blue collar Dem is BS

How many votes does this concerned moderate vote total with 74 million in the tally? My guess is not very damn much

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1) the US population has grown by 10% (30M) in the past decade. 18% (50M) in the last 20 years. If the voting population increased by the same, that puts Bush around 73M votes and Romney at 67M.

2) the 2020 election was the most hyped election and easiest to vote in the last 50 years. Voter turnout increased from 120-130M in the previous several elections to 155M in 2020 (a 20% increase). That is not likely to repeat. DeSantis probably gets 70M votes in the 2024 election. Trump probably 60-65M.

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fka ftc said:

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Tramp96 said:

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I think you're misreading the responses.

The "hate" and "trashing", as you say, are all in response to Trump launching unprovoked attacks on other Republicans.

The "hate" and "trashing" are originating from Trump and we are just tired of it. Trump is unhinged, not us.

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But not tired of it to just ignore it and focus on the opposition trying to ruin the Country. Got it.

Its lazy and easy to pick at Trump but it does not accomplish a ******* thing. That is what many of you misread about anyone who chooses not to pile on Trump and those who warn to not go all in on DeSantis this early on.

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Huh? I'm not picking up what you are laying down.

We are RESPONDING to his comments. And they are tiresome. Very tiresome. Are we not allowed to respond to his comments? What he's doing is divisive and not productive. There is zero reason for him to be lashing out at DeSantis right now. Zero. Zip. But he's doing it anyway.

What is this accomplishing? Nothing constructive. The only thing he's accomplishing is sowing the seeds of division amongst the conservatives/Republicans.

How does that do any good?

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As I have said before, Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Iceman. Trump is out buzzing the tower and looking to find ways to bend the rules. He's a hell of a lot of fun but reckless and it ultimately will cost him. DeSantis is not as sexy but he's rock solid and just doesn't make anything but minor mistakes. He is playing the long game of racking up wins and building support while waiting for Trump to implode.

Hopefully the movie ends with both of them hugging each other on the flight deck having beaten the bad guys.

Good post. I tend to agree with all you posted. My only caveat would be handicapping Wisconsin, Michigan, Virginia, Ohio for leaning D due to abortion issue.

I don't like that being the case, but so far the Ds have being giving Rs the d and stacking up wins every since Roe v Wade.

fka ftc said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Anyone who thinks Trump has any shot of winning anything

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Reality is Trump is the frontrunner for the R nominee as of today. So rationale thought would indicate Trump could very well be the R nominee against Biden or other undetermined at this point D.

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Well, all he does is attack Desantis, and not Biden, so rational thought would be "dafuq!?".