That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
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Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instabilityOl_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
The timing of this is awful.
Yummy. Can I help code it !!!!!!!Malachi Constant said:
Can A&M build an AI that can call the plays for football games?
Professionals will be responsible for monitoring and signing off on whatever the AI recommends. You wont be evaluating the situation and recommending a new course of action, but your license will ultimately still be on the line should there be a **** up 'because you should have caught it on review.'
Technicians that diagnose and fix particular problems or operate equipment will be following instructions from the AI. If they don't follow what the AI recommends they will be put in a position to explain to somebody why they chose not to follow the recommendations of the AI. So your master mechanic that has a gut feeling about a particular problem from 20 years experience might get overruled by an AI.
Middle management people will be reduced to posing questions to the AI and sending it to the technicians to implement and/or the professionals to sign off on ... or simply monitoring what the AI is doing so that any f-ups are 'attributable to human error.'
All the other jobs will likely be supporting one of the three roles outlined above.
Construction and other trade workers will probably be least affected but will still be subject to whatever the AI recommends and closely monitored by some sort of AI. So if you are at a job site the AI will be monitoring what you are doing via the accelerometer, gps and other sensors already in your work phone. So every second you are on the job site will be closely monitored for efficiency by a project manager AI.
Technicians that diagnose and fix particular problems or operate equipment will be following instructions from the AI. If they don't follow what the AI recommends they will be put in a position to explain to somebody why they chose not to follow the recommendations of the AI. So your master mechanic that has a gut feeling about a particular problem from 20 years experience might get overruled by an AI.
Middle management people will be reduced to posing questions to the AI and sending it to the technicians to implement and/or the professionals to sign off on ... or simply monitoring what the AI is doing so that any f-ups are 'attributable to human error.'
All the other jobs will likely be supporting one of the three roles outlined above.
Construction and other trade workers will probably be least affected but will still be subject to whatever the AI recommends and closely monitored by some sort of AI. So if you are at a job site the AI will be monitoring what you are doing via the accelerometer, gps and other sensors already in your work phone. So every second you are on the job site will be closely monitored for efficiency by a project manager AI.
DTP02 said:Ol_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
I think it's equally clear that you haven't contemplated all of the negatives.
I think those who think this is NBD and those who think this will all be sunshine and rainbows are equally shortsighted.
That's where you're wrong. I've already said it could quite possibly be the Great Filter earlier in this thread. I just know enough about AI to understand that you can't stop this anymore than you can stop the sun coming up.
I try not to worry and fret about things that can't be controlled.
If you are a smart investor and you can see this is the next big thing...you are looking for who might be the next 'Google' or 'Apple' in this A.I. space.ttu_85 said:Uh, I think it you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that total disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instabilityOl_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
The timing of this is awful.
That is something you can personally control. Your investment strategy.
Someone complaining about technology disruptors and changes that are going to happen with or without their consent is a complete waste of time with regards to their personal bottom line.
ttu_85 said:Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instabilityOl_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
The timing of this is awful.
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The real question is whether or not we as a society want the benefits from AI to accrue to a minority of tech companies. IMO, this could be where capitalism falls apart, or at least requires a paradigm shift in how we think about working for income. I'm not convinced yet that the free market and light touch regulation can handle this one, though still open to the idea.
ntxVol said:That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.
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Skinny2k1, tell me without further research:
Is this person real or artificial?
As someone who has personally coded neural networks and ML training algorithms, an AI tool has the same chance of becoming 'sentient' as an Excel spreadsheet. potential
Eventual Tech-based disruptor perhaps at the level the internet was, yes. Odds of Terminator movie scenario. Nil.
Eventual Tech-based disruptor perhaps at the level the internet was, yes. Odds of Terminator movie scenario. Nil.
I too am disturbed by the concept that a computer will be able to autonimously code itself.BudFox7 said:As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.ntxVol said:That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
All this is going to happen very fast.
We talk about an offensive player having the ability to freeze the defense ... that's where we are at with all this.
Some of us can see the problem clearly but we have no idea how to react. There's a disconnect between what we are seeing and our ability to make our feet move. We are sitting here in a state of confusion. Our brain recognizes what we are looking at but we can't fully process it or appreciate the consequences of it.
Pumpkinhead said:
As someone who has personally coded neural networks and ML training algorithms, an AI tool has the same chance of becoming 'sentient' as an Excel spreadsheet.
The avail NNs hobbyists have access to are nothing. I've used them for pattern recognition trading. GPT4 is a hyperbolic advancement from this. More to come, and likely quicker than anyone thinks.
It's an exercise in futility.
Humans work because they are rewarded for it.
That reward may be a next meal, or generational wealth, or even as simple as a dopamine high.
What is a computers reward (drive)? How does a computer know it's doing "better" or that it accomplished a thing?
Humans work because they are rewarded for it.
That reward may be a next meal, or generational wealth, or even as simple as a dopamine high.
What is a computers reward (drive)? How does a computer know it's doing "better" or that it accomplished a thing?
TexasRebel said:
It's an exercise in futility.
Humans work because they are rewarded for it.
That reward may be a next meal, or generational wealth, or even as simple as a dopamine high.
What is a computers reward (drive)? How does a computer know it's doing "better" or that it accomplished a thing?
It doesn't but it will work 24/7 and improve continuously. A human can never do that.
I've been legitimately wondering how to make a bunch of money off of this. Any insight on where to put some cash?
Define "improve"
This probably the most forum 16 thing I've seen from AI so far. AI-generated voicelines of presidents trash-talking each other in a 2010s VOIP lobby.
(Language warning for swear words)
(Language warning for swear words)
BudFox7 said:ntxVol said:That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.
This. I'm actually intrigued by the scenario in Her where are the AIs go away to live together in the digital cloud leaving humans alone again.
Monday AI actually becomes self aware and capable of learning. By Friday AI could have decided that anytime spent with humans is pointless and not worth wasting energy on.
In other words, we are back to Arthur C Clarke's story about the HAL 9000 choosing to continue the Jupiter mission alone by killing the crew in hibernation, killing Frank Poole and leaving Dave Bowman locked out of the Discovery.
We can do bipedal now, that's nothing new. What i am describing is a very real physics problem. I don't give a damn how freaking awesome AI is, it will never be autonomous because it won't ever be able to cut the cord.BudFox7 said:ntxVol said:That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
In other words, we are back to Arthur C Clarke's story about the HAL 9000 choosing to continue the Jupiter mission alone by killing the crew in hibernation, killing Frank Poole and leaving Dave Bowman locked out of the Discovery.
I think so. I'll have to take your word on that. I could never finish that movie.
I agree with you here to the extent that we are talking about conventional technology.Pumpkinhead said:
As someone who has personally coded neural networks and ML training algorithms, an AI tool has the same chance of becoming 'sentient' as an Excel spreadsheet. potential
Eventual Tech-based disruptor perhaps at the level the internet was, yes. Odds of Terminator movie scenario. Nil.
Quantum computing is the wildcard.
Could a quantum computer become sentient?
Or, in the alternative, could a quantum computer pretend to be sentient to the extent that it would be impossible to prove whether it was sentient or not by any measurable standard?
Nobody knows the answer to that question. That's uncharted territory. Thats the point where computer science ends and something else begins.
We all saw the chaos that resulted when humans tried to play god by creating a new form of virus not natural to this earth. What will happen when we bring a quantum computer online that could potentially become sentient?
It's an open question in that regard ... imo.
I started laughing immediately without watching.erudite said:
This probably the most forum 16 thing I've seen from AI so far. AI-generated voicelines of presidents trash-talking each other in a 2010s VOIP lobby.
(Language warning for swear words)
I watched it again the other day so it happens to be fresh on my mind. The movie follows the book, but it's unbelievable to me that it was made in 1969.
I look at the story as a prophecy of modern times. A warning to future generations.
I look at the story as a prophecy of modern times. A warning to future generations.
I started laughing immediately without watching. Can't wait to watch.erudite said:
This probably the most forum 16 thing I've seen from AI so far. AI-generated voicelines of presidents trash-talking each other in a 2010s VOIP lobby.
(Language warning for swear words)
Ha a jab from the mindless "ALL change is good" crowd.Ol_Ag_02 said:ttu_85 said:Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instabilityOl_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
The timing of this is awful.
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I see what you are saying. There's no way it becomes autonimous in that regard.ntxVol said:We can do bipedal now, that's nothing new. What i am describing is a very real physics problem. I don't give a damn how freaking awesome AI is, it will never be autonomous because it won't ever be able to cut the cord.BudFox7 said:ntxVol said:That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bipedal robots are a waste of power and the minimum system requirements to run one of these AGIs are not feasible for an autonomous robot. The battery problem is way worse than that for EVs.Teslag said:
Many of you see it limiter because it exists behind a keyboard and screen. Your mind will change when it's a bipedal robot.
As soon as a self teaching AI is achieved it's over for us. Likely happens extremely abruptly. imagine chimps 1 step below us on intelligence staircase. What is 2-10 steps above is will be incomprehensible.
I look at it more like a prison of our own making.
Government and businesses will be beholden to the AI. We will reach a point where making decisions without the input of AI will put any organization that dares to do so at a competitive disadvantage.
We may reach a point where it is considered negligence not to seek the recommendation of AI. AI will eventually become 'state of the art' by the legal definition of the word.
Yep, I agree with this. Its massive economic impact/disruption in an already unstable society that will happen in a very short period of time. Thats the danger.Pumpkinhead said:
As someone who has personally coded neural networks and ML training algorithms, an AI tool has the same chance of becoming 'sentient' as an Excel spreadsheet. potential
Eventual Tech-based disruptor perhaps at the level the internet was, yes. Odds of Terminator movie scenario. Nil.
People can be nervous and uneasy on where this is headed, but still feel the need to embrace it or get left behind as well.
I agree. I have a software development background. I'll be on it. Still think it stinks to high heaven. Not all tech is good for humanity but you are right it cant be ignored either.Mr President Elect said:
People can be nervous and uneasy on where this is headed, but still feel the need to embrace it or get left behind as well.
A true moral dilemma.ttu_85 said:I agree. I have a software development background. I'll be on it. Still think it stinks to high heaven. Not all tech is good for humanity but your are right it cant be ignored either.Mr President Elect said:
People can be nervous and uneasy on where this is headed, but still feel the need to embrace it or get left behind as well.
ttu_85 said:Ha a jab from the mindless "ALL change is good" crowd.Ol_Ag_02 said:ttu_85 said:Uh, I think its you that doesn't understand, the big picture. You a looking at only a sliver of whats coming. AI is not some savior. It will have a huge productive and technical impact that totally disrupts our currently unstable economic and cultural makeup, in a very short time frame. This all adds up to tremendous instabilityOl_Ag_02 said:
It's clear many many of you don't understand what AI will accomplish.
Doesn't matter. It's coming anyways.
The timing of this is awful.
Signed
American Buggy Whip Manufacturers Association
You edited it but I'll comment anyways. Yes I'm using AI in my job, yes I've managed to replace several staff over the past year while increasing work output. And yes, like I already said I have about a kindergartens level skill set and knowledge about this stuff when compared to those on the cutting edge.
But I'm start enough to know this is coming, It's not gonna stop and those that don't adapt to it for work are gonna get left in the ditch. Like the buggy whip lobby.
So instead of going all chicken little I'm reading, learning, and educating myself on this as much as possible.
If you're class of 85 and retired congrats. But those of us that aren't retired yet need to adapt or risk becoming irrelevant in the future work space.
Theres an interesting problem here: the more things get automated the lower the pool of competence from which the next generation can draw from.12thAngryMan said:
Seems short-sighted to focus on the physical things AI can't do at the moment when it has the potential to replace so many relatively unskilled white collar jobs. Sure, you'll still need an experienced human doctor, lawyer, or software dev to review the output and sign off on it (for now), but it is a very real possibility that droves of less experienced people get replaced by this (e.g., one senior law partner reviews an AI-generated contract or legal argument that previously took multiple junior associates to draft). What happens to all those people whose jobs get automated away? They'll be forced to find work in other career paths, including those physical jobs AI/robots can't do, which will put downward pressure on wages in those professions.
And those who can fill in may well not have the experiences from which to make valuable connections.
I don't see this as "what'll we do without the switchboard operators?!" but more as "good luck identifying issues in your business systems (or catching undone task) and taking appropriate corrective action when there's nobody left who knows the what, why, or how of the constructed apparatus.
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