I would support legislation requiring cars to pay for their carbon footprint in taxes based on median miles driven by manufacturer, the first 5 years after being built. Make the BEV drivers of new vehicles pay for the huge manufacturing footprint their vehicles are produced with from a materials/mfg/refining/energy cost, including costs for any infrastructure improvements that are 'reasonably foreseeable' if 30-50 percent of cars on the road are BEV's by 2030 as the green communists demand.

Some try to cleverly/obtusely claim they don't care about the replacement/out of warranty costs to replace batteries, environmental impact/last mile infrastructure needed to build all these charging networks. These rich, 'let the poor second hand buyers deal with it' snobs need to be forced to pay more for their 'ego machines.' For that matter, ever EV should have a $10K surcharge to help the poor kids in Africa mining all of those minerals and to help with environmental remediation in China to refine them.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Engage in widespread civil disobedience if they attempt such a thing. Park gas cars at all charging stations for a week. Stuff like that. Inflict economic and political pain on the idiots pushing this.

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It would be a shame if the public charging cords started to disappear suddenly

P.H. Dexippus said:

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I can't wait for us to regress to Cuban levels of automotive development.

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Yep those cars run on a multiple group of products with the turn of a cutout cock. Just no batteries yet!

Plug in hybrids with 50 mile electric range and 300 mile gas range would be the best path forward.

Cuts emissions.
Can make 5-10x as many hybrids as you can fully electric with the same battery metals.
Much better use of resources.
Also cost less.
Also, more well supported by existing infrastructure.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Bubblez said:

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Congress is free to pass legislation to scale back the EPA's regulatory powers involving vehicles but they have chosen not to do so

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What the **** HAS congress done in the past 20 years?

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The Affordable Care Act in 2010 which now has a 62% approval rating

Sadly, you can't fix stupid.

crowman2010 said:

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Tell the EPA that when China and India start participating, we will too

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Better yet tell Biden he is not king and to pound sand.

Bubblez said:

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Congress is free to pass legislation to scale back the EPA's regulatory powers involving vehicles but they have chosen not been unable to do so because Democrats block all attempts.

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bmks270 said:

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Plug in hybrids with 50 mile electric range and 300 mile gas range would be the best path forward.

Cuts emissions.
Can make 5-10x as many hybrids as you can fully electric with the same battery metals.
Much better use of resources.
Also cost less.
Also, more well supported by existing infrastructure.

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So blatantly obvious for the bridge solution. Win win for everyone but nope! Democrats are evil morons and get their way.

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Plug in hybrids with 50 mile electric range and 300 mile gas range would be the best path forward.

Cuts emissions.
Can make 5-10x as many hybrids as you can fully electric with the same battery metals.
Much better use of resources.
Also cost less.
Also, more well supported by existing infrastructure.

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You do realize batteries are heavy. So you make the fuel efficiency of gas car less by making it a hybrid. Also you can't say energy is green. It is most likely coming from a NG plant or coal. Not to mention how horrible for the environment lithium mining is.

HumbleAg04 said:

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The good thing about ruling by EO is the next person in office just undoes it.

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You understand that once productions shifts to electric, it will never shift back, right? This just makes it easier on automakers because California's policy will be the same as the rest of America's. They don't care if it's bad policy and completely impractical.

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Aoc is right, ignore the *******

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Seriously... How is dementia Joe with his poor popularity levels able to act like a dictator?

The automotive manufacturers can probably get close or semi close to that target in 10 years, but the grid... Holy **** our electrical generation capacity will be nowhere near the level required to support that many electric cars. I'm trying to guess whether frequent 3rd world blackouts or a rash of new dirty coal generator constructions is more likely.

This will be an unmitigated disaster. Ironically it may make me buy solar panels and a power wall (or whatever the hell Elon calls that mega home battery thing) so that I'm insulated from the fallout.

Also, Obligatory "**** congress" for delegating powers this drastic to the executive branch.

In order to produce the amount of electricity needed we will need to reopen a crap ton of shuttered coal plants.

With the EPA going after electrical generating plants, the only electricity we will have for EVs will come from the common potato battery.

AgBQ-00 said:

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In order to produce the amount of electricity needed we will need to reopen a crap ton of shuttered coal plants.

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Yeah, Democrats are dumb.

jefe95 said:

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How very central planning of them.

FJB. Even though we all know it's Obama 3.0.

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At least Biden will be dead by 2032.

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Also, this is where I laugh at any posters who say, "EVs aren't being mandated; you don't have to buy one."

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Technically that's true but, nobody is producing Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and new sales of ICE vehicles are being outlawed come 2035 here in California.

Crazy that the Biden admin would want to accelerate that timeline.

There's no way California is going to meet 2035 much less the rest of the nation.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Engage in widespread civil disobedience if they attempt such a thing. Park gas cars at all charging stations for a week. Stuff like that. Inflict economic and political pain on the idiots pushing this.

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Remember when they locked us down in California for 2 years?

I expected there would be widespread civil disobedience.
Instead, there was widespread compliance. And sadly, in the 4th year of the scam, a significant number of people are still wearing masks voluntarily.

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Also, this is where I laugh at any posters who say, "EVs aren't being mandated; you don't have to buy one."

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"You don't have to get the vaccine. We'll just take away your ability to support yourself and your family if you don't "

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And then they'll victim shame you and tell you it was your "choice" to lose your job.

HollywoodBQ said:

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YouBet said:

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Also, this is where I laugh at any posters who say, "EVs aren't being mandated; you don't have to buy one."

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Technically that's true but, nobody is producing Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and new sales of ICE vehicles are being outlawed come 2035 here in California.

Crazy that the Biden admin would want to accelerate that timeline.

There's no way California is going to meet 2035 much less the rest of the nation.

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That's my point.

Leftists will say they aren't being mandated while ignoring that regulations all around the industry are forcing manufacturers away from ICE.

Thus, they are being mandated by proxy.

Old Sarge said:

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This is why we MUST NOT let the Obama run Biden regime, or Newsome win in 2024. We need a staunch right Republican to shove that EO straight up Biden's tailpipe.

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I could be wrong but I seem to remember something about President Trump rescinding a President Obama EO and a Federal Judge ruling that President Trump did not have the authority to rescind a previous EO.

If I am wrong let me know I couldn't find the information as my Internet search skills suck.

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YouBet said:

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Old Sarge said:

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This is why we MUST NOT let the Obama run Biden regime, or Newsome win in 2024. We need a staunch right Republican to shove that EO straight up Biden's tailpipe.

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Problem with EOs like this is that manufacturers start retooling for it and then it's hard for them to switch back.

Hopefully, this has no teeth until later and they ignore it to see if Desantis can get nominated and then win. If he doesn't, then this is on. That's your only hope.

Also, this is where I laugh at any posters who say, "EVs aren't being mandated; you don't have to buy one."

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The manufacturers are already retooling because of the California mandates that they already have to conform to. Biden's just riding the wave that's already coming and going to take credit for making it reality.

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If these EOs for EVs and eliminating ICE, push the economy further into a deeper recession or depression President Biden will definitely not take credit, he will blame President Trump or Putin or DeSantis, maybe all three.

The woke marxist regime picking winners and losers again.

Bubblez said:

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Bubblez said:

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Congress is free to pass legislation to scale back the EPA's regulatory powers involving vehicles but they have chosen not to do so

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What the **** HAS congress done in the past 20 years?

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The Affordable Care Act in 2010 which now has a 62% approval rating

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"You can keep your doctor", until they get bought out and you have to find some new clinic because they quit taking your insurance. **** the ACA. Bunch of trash for all those that are self insured. 62% my ass.

P.H. Dexippus said:

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I can't wait for us to regress to Cuban levels of automotive development.

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Never happens for after EVs take over, gas stations are next to get axed.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Bubblez said:

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Congress is free to pass legislation to scale back the EPA's regulatory powers involving vehicles but they have chosen not to do so

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What the **** HAS congress done in the past 20 years?

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Given up entirely too much legislative power to the executive for one.

HumbleAg04 said:

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The good thing about ruling by EO is the next person in office just undoes it.

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Didn't the SC say Trump could no do this with one of Obama's EOs?

Bubblez said:

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Bubblez said:

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Congress is free to pass legislation to scale back the EPA's regulatory powers involving vehicles but they have chosen not to do so

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What the **** HAS congress done in the past 20 years?

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The Affordable Care Act in 2010 which now has a 62% approval rating

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Liar. 62% was a 2015 number.

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The automotive manufacturers can probably get close or semi close to that target in 10 years, but the grid... Holy **** our electrical generation capacity will be nowhere near the level required to support that many electric cars. I'm trying to guess whether frequent 3rd world blackouts or a rash of new dirty coal generator constructions is more likely.

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imagine your run of the mill August 103 degree day and everyone comes home, turns on the AC and plugs their EV's in

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The automotive manufacturers can probably get close or semi close to that target in 10 years, but the grid... Holy **** our electrical generation capacity will be nowhere near the level required to support that many electric cars. I'm trying to guess whether frequent 3rd world blackouts or a rash of new dirty coal generator constructions is more likely.

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imagine your run of the mill August 103 degree day and everyone comes home, turns on the AC and plugs their EV's in

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Don't worry, big brother has an answer to that; they will charge more for charging your car at different times, and/or restrict the ability to do so based on the grid demands. Further, people will be told that if they sign up they can get a 20 Biden-cent monthly rebate if their BEV is used to supplement the grid/power their home when needed.

But no matter what, there will still be people on the internet insisting this is all wonderful.

HumbleAg04 said:

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The good thing about ruling by EO is the next person in office just undoes it.

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That's what we all thought until Trump tried to undo Obama's EOs (many of them illegal, like the dreamer program basically using prosecutorial discretion to say we aren't going to enforce immigration law for a whole class of people (not just on a case-by-case basis)).

The Dems tied up several of the reversals in court cases saying Trump was motivated by racism. If I recall correctly, they won some of those cases in lower courts and tied up reversal long enough to get Trump out of office.

On the other hand, Dems can always reverse Republican EOs.

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Old Sarge said:

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This is why we MUST NOT let the Obama run Biden regime, or Newsome win in 2024. We need a staunch right Republican to shove that EO straight up Biden's tailpipe.

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I could be wrong but I seem to remember something about President Trump rescinding a President Obama EO and a Federal Judge ruling that President Trump did not have the authority to rescind a previous EO.

If I am wrong let me know I couldn't find the information as my Internet search skills suck.

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Because Trump's reversal was motivated by "racism." They tied it up in court long enough to get Trump out of office.