Ags4DaWin said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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NATO membership ends this war and brings lasting peace to that country

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Nonsense!

So, Russia is just going to back away and leave what they have taken and hold because Whang, the US decided to bring Ukraine into NATO, in back room manuever by a lame duck admin?! Yea, sure, OK. Uh Huh.

Geez!!

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Russia won't attack a NATO country because they would immediately be wiped out. The only way forward for anyone who actually claims to want peace is for what's left of Ukraine to join NATO.

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Russia has said this is a Red line multiple times.

The repeated threats to put NATO in Ukraine and revoke Russia's access to Ukrainian ports was one of the main instigators of this in the first place.

So I am sure that following through on those threats will deescalate the situation.

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It is NOT putting NATO in Ukraine.

It IS putting Ukraine in NATO.

NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance.

Amazingly, it was formed to prevent RUSSIA from invading its members. Which Russia did to lots of countries that quickly joined after the USSR collapsed.

Ukraine wants to get into it now to prevent Russia from continuing to invade them.

I think there might be some evidence that Russia wants to invade Ukraine.

OPAG said:

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Really, the hubris from a few of you is off the charts.

You really believe Russia is just third world hack country, yet there was this massive narrative that if we did not stop Russia in Ukraine they would go on to Poland! Talking about schizophrenics!?!

I have been told that no body considers Russia a pier but me and then provide proof from the Air & Space Force that Russia is not only considered a pier but may actually be ahead of us in electronic/cyper warfare.

This simple idea that Russia will be wiped out with absolutely no damage to us is freaking INSANE. Truly

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Sigh.

It's PEER.

And NOBODY has said the bolded. That's a strawman.

Ags4DaWin said:

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We have gone over this ad nauseum.

Continuously moving NATO east against the handshake agreement was the other big part of the red line.

U want escalation move NATO and the potential to put missiles on Russia's doorstep into Ukraine.

Keep voting for and rooting for WW3 policies.

I am sure Russia will just allow this and not respond at all because they are so willing to to just roll over and take it.

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Russia doesn't get to "allow" an independent country to do anything. If Ukraine wants to join NATO to help prevent Russia from attacking them again and NATO is willing to accept them then that's what will happen.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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OPAG said:

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Really, the hubris from a few of you is off the charts.

You really believe Russia is just third world hack country, yet there was this massive narrative that if we did not stop Russia in Ukraine they would go on to Poland! Talking about schizophrenics!?!

I have been told that no body considers Russia a pier but me and then provide proof from the Air & Space Force that Russia is not only considered a pier but may actually be ahead of us in electronic/cyper warfare.

This simple idea that Russia will be wiped out with absolutely no damage to us is freaking INSANE. Truly

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Russia is fighting and clawing for miles of land against a country 1/3 of their size fighting with our hand me down weapons. Count me in the group who does not think they are dumb/crazy enough to start a fight with NATO. Which is all the more reason why the only pathway for peace is for the lines to be drawn where they are now and what's left of Ukraine to join NATO. Russia doesn't want that because they still want to be able to invade again.

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Yep.

Ags4DaWin said:

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We have gone over this ad nauseum.

Continuously moving NATO east against the handshake agreement was the other big part of the red line.

U want escalation move NATO and the potential to put missiles on Russia's doorstep into Ukraine.

Keep voting for and rooting for WW3 policies.

I am sure Russia will just allow this and not respond at all because they are so willing to to just roll over and take it.

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There was no "handshake agreement".

NATO didn't "move east". Countries that had been invaded and subjugated by Russia joined NATO to stop Russia from doing it again.

Ags4DaWin said:

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We have gone over this ad nauseum.

Continuously moving NATO east against the handshake agreement was the other big part of the red line.

U want escalation move NATO and the potential to put missiles on Russia's doorstep into Ukraine.

Keep voting for and rooting for WW3 policies.

I am sure Russia will just allow this and not respond at all because they are so willing to to just roll over and take it.

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NATO didn't move east. NATO was invited east because Russia is a terrible neighbor.

Also, how many Russian red lines are we up to now?

Ags4DaWin said:

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Russia is more than willing to just flip over the table and unleash their nuclear arsenal if they feel like they are being bullied to the point that they are going to lose.

They more than most countries are infantile enough enough to just say screw it....everyone loses.

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Putin likes living like a rich billionaire.

Launching nukes ends his life. And he knows that.

Yep.

Spectator: Putin has far more reasons to fight on until an outright defeat of Ukraine rather than negotiate now. This aligns with what Putin has expressly said to the effect that the Russian objective is to achieve an outright collapse of the AFU.https://t.co/LvEbL3JnGr

— Chamberlain's Ghost (@RSA_Observer) October 19, 2024

As I've maintained for a long while, team Biden Nuland has ensured there will be no future for 'Ukraine' which is now doomed, and it's just a matter of "when," not if.

Another reality:

Interesting disclosure. Let's see what it tells us about the state of the Ukrainian military.⬇️

At least officially, Ukrainian troops receive five weeks of training - 35 days - before going to the front. Ergo, assuming everything was on the up and up, the AFU was getting 1000… pic.twitter.com/6wWBCp8IKV

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) October 20, 2024

Mariupol is a case study in a people recovering after being subjected to the Kiev regime's terrorism for years (it was also the homeland of the Azov nazi's):

Building everywhere in Mariupol, Donbass. pic.twitter.com/90Sxx2y0Qd

— Charles Bausman ☦️ 🇩🇪 🇺🇸 (@CBausman) October 19, 2024

Old:

From the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated 18.10.2024.

The enemy's losses for yesterday were:
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🔵 2655 military personnel
🔵 24 units of armored vehicles, including 2 tanks in the Kursk region
🔵 14 artillery systems
🔵 30 units of special… pic.twitter.com/gxnPPH293a

— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) October 18, 2024

Forever war, comrades.

It would be silly and foolish for the Russians to attack Poland. The US 5th Corps HQs and the JTF Commander stationed in Poland have contingency plans should the Russians take this tack.

It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

Tanker123 said:

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It would be silly and foolish for the Russians to attack Poland. The US 5th Corps HQs and the JTF Commander stationed in Poland have contingency plans should the Russians take this tack.

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They won't and never planned to.

Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

YouBet said:

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Tanker123 said:

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It would be silly and foolish for the Russians to attack Poland. The US 5th Corps HQs and the JTF Commander stationed in Poland have contingency plans should the Russians take this tack.

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They won't and never planned to.

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I have a strong assumption they won't. There is some rationality left in Putin.

Putins 3 day war is going along so well they're importing North Korean troops.

As winter approached the Ukes need to go after power generating plants feeding Moscow and St. Pete's.

OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

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NATO wouldn't be fighting Russia. Russia would back TF down if the rest of Ukraine joined NATO. Putin doesn't want to fight NATO. He wants to fight a weaker Ukraine that doesn't have the protection of NATO.

He's a bully, not an idiot.

Ukraine in NATO ends this. Without fighting.

The irrational stuff is the group that says 'Russia is gaining tiny bits of land and 'can't mount an offensive'' while simultaneously claiming Russia is going to invade Poland and is a real threat to Central Europe etc. Or the German politicians awarding a high award to Biden, who ordered the destruction of Nordstream and is consequently responsible for the enormous negative impacts on their economy over the past 2 years.

It would be funny if there weren't so many conscripts being killed daily in this absurdity.

Now, I do think there is some question as to how things will go when the Russians reach the non-Russian parts of 'Ukraine' but I don't think it will be that dramatic given the depopulation and general exhaustion of the UFA etc.

Despite intense anti-Russian propaganda, there should be quite little resistance to Russian occupation in the Ukrainian territories postwar for the same reason there wasn't in Germany after 1945 - the angry young men who fight as insurgents will all be dead, fled, or traumatized. https://t.co/JKsxBcvy0A pic.twitter.com/qpTvEJYfvX

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) October 20, 2024

nortex97 said:

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Yep.

Spectator: Putin has far more reasons to fight on until an outright defeat of Ukraine rather than negotiate now. This aligns with what Putin has expressly said to the effect that the Russian objective is to achieve an outright collapse of the AFU.https://t.co/LvEbL3JnGr

— Chamberlain's Ghost (@RSA_Observer) October 19, 2024

As I've maintained for a long while, team Biden Nuland has ensured there will be no future for 'Ukraine' which is now doomed, and it's just a matter of "when," not if.

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I love that the tweet admits that Putin is 100% responsible for the war continuing and could stop it any time he wanted but yet nortex still immediately blames Biden/the cabal. Amazing stuff.

Ukraine in NATO ends this. Without fighting.



Play that game with your kids. not mine.

You along with Tesla have been "Reed Mackinze IV 'dead ass wrong' "so much about Russia and Putin.

Yea, I really trust your judgement and discernment on this.

Russia invaded Ukraine initially because of the Ukraine joining NATO talk, So now they are just going to stop because. "well NATO decided to add Ukraine"

yea, sure, uh huh,
Not with my kids! Send yours.

OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

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Russia is hundreds of miles from Kiev and has lost hundreds of thousands of lives to gain 20 miles in one tiny area of the front. All while losing a large amount of their own country.


So, how?

It's a shame the Russian people will most likely not revolt. They have a great tolerance to being miserable.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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Putins 3 day war is going along so well they're importing North Korean troops.

As winter approached the Ukes need to go after power generating plants feeding Moscow and St. Pete's.

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And yet some Americans will still find ways to justify them cheering for Russia/Iran/North Korea

Teslag said:

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OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

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Russia is hundreds of miles from Kiev and has lost hundreds of thousands of lives to gain 20 miles in one tiny area of the front. All while losing a large amount of their own country.


So, how?

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Russia has gained more than it has lost. You need to revisit the maps and refresh your calculations.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

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Russia is hundreds of miles from Kiev and has lost hundreds of thousands of lives to gain 20 miles in one tiny area of the front. All while losing a large amount of their own country.


So, how?

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Russia has gained more than it has lost. You need to revisit the maps and refresh your calculations.

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So Russia has barely gained more than Ukraine in a year of fighting? Hundreds of thousands of lives lost for just a small edge in land? After Russia was supposed to take a decisive edge this year?

How does that get them almost 400 miles to Kiev?

And to think this map doesn't even show the summer advance in Kursk. It just shows how any talk of Russia taking all of Ukraine is just simply foolish.


Zoomed in maps work wonders for a narrative.

Is the US still limiting the use of some of the US weapons systems?

For reference, this is the zoomed in area of the BBC maps to that shows (in dark red) what Russian milbloggers tout as the massive Russian advances. It's tiny specks. Barely there. Nothing.

This is what Russia has spent a year doing with so many lives lost they now have to import North Koreans just for backup.

Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and has been for years though

OPAG said:

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Ukraine in NATO ends this. Without fighting.



Play that game with your kids. not mine.

You along with Tesla have been "Reed Mackinze IV 'dead ass wrong' "so much about Russia and Putin.

Yea, I really trust your judgement and discernment on this.

Russia invaded Ukraine initially because of the Ukraine joining NATO talk, So now they are just going to stop because. "well NATO decided to add Ukraine"

yea, sure, uh huh,
Not with my kids! Send yours.

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A) No one can see your pic
B) We have not been wrong. You even admit Russia wants to take over all of Ukraine. WHICH IS WHAT WE SAID THIS WAS ABOUT.
C) Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin wanted Ukraine to be part of Russia. The "Ukraine joining NATO talk" propaganda is designed for weak minded people who want to excuse Putin for doing it.
D) No American kids are going to fight Russia over Ukraine. No matter how many times you repeat your trope. ESPECIALLY if Ukraine joins NATO.

Teslag said:

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OPAG said:

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Teslag said:

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It's interesting how the narrative shifts from "Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine" to "Russia will take all of Ukraine and nothing will stop them" on an almost daily basis.

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It's interesting how the narrative has changed from Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground to defeat the hapless, backward Ruskies, to now let's just bring them into NATO and all things will end.

As I have said from day one, Russia will win this deep state proxy war, UNLESS NATO COMMITS BOOTS TO THE GROUND. Again, not with my kids!

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Russia is hundreds of miles from Kiev and has lost hundreds of thousands of lives to gain 20 miles in one tiny area of the front. All while losing a large amount of their own country.


So, how?

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I like how the maps of the land gained are all blown up here. Then when you zoom out...it looks like a tiny spec on the front line.

GAC06 said:

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Putins 3 day war is going along so well they're importing North Korean troops.

As winter approached the Ukes need to go after power generating plants feeding Moscow and St. Pete's.

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And yet some Americans will still find ways to justify them cheering for Russia/Iran/North Korea

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True...

They're cheering for an alliance of Russia, North Korea, and Iran

Interesting.

ETA: I forgot to add China.

The N Koreans will face winter conditions and poor Russian logistics support. Wait until they are treated like cannon fodder and morale will go down south.

Some military analysts are claiming US cluster munitions are taking a significant toll on the Russian soldiers. Keep feeding them cluster munitions if true.

Teslag said:

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And to think this map doesn't even show the summer advance in Kursk. It just shows how any talk of Russia taking all of Ukraine is just simply foolish.


Zoomed in maps work wonders for a narrative.

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Your map is 7 months old, so I guess I'll just say it again. You need to update your map and redo your calculations.

I'm not saying Russia is knocking on the doors of Kiev, but you're just parroting old data and refusing to acknowledge the atrophy of Ukrainian territory and it's getting tiresome.

May of 2024 was 17 months ago?

Typos. See edit.