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Teslag said:

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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.

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I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.

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I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.

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And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.

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Well, not THAT part.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.

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I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.

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I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.

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And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.

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Hold your horses there cowboy. I agree that Russia is stronger but disagree with spending more on aid. Don't lick the boot.

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So, you get to cherry pick from what he says and use that as evidence for your cause? And the other stuff he says is evidence that he doesn't know what he's talking about...

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.

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I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.

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I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.

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And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.

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Hold your horses there cowboy. I agree that Russia is stronger but disagree with spending more on aid. Don't lick the boot.

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So, you get to cherry pick from what he says and use that as evidence for your cause? And the other stuff he says is evidence that he doesn't know what he's talking about...

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I'm just happy we're using generals instead of random substack bloggers repeating Russian fed talking points. Or noted foreign policy expert Rob Schneider.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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Smaller entity has gang turf next to larger entity and threatened to join a bigger gang and take over the larger entity's drug business.

Larger entity saw the smaller entity bullying his little brother (Donbas region) and going through the gang initiation and decided to do a drive by to off the little guy before he could join the bigger gang and take over his turf.

^^this is the more applicable analogy^^

UR analogy posits that Ukraime did nothing to provoke a preemptive strike.

Which IRONICALLY is exactly what the US did in Iraq.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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rape of 13 year old girl has no relevance to this war..very demented

Ags4DaWin said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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Smaller entity has gang turf next to larger entity and threatened to join a bigger gang and take over the larger entity's drug business.

Larger entity saw the smaller entity bullying his little brother (Donbas region) and going through the gang initiation and decided to do a drive by to off the little guy before he could join the bigger gang and take over his turf.

^^this is the more applicable analogy^^

UR analogy posits that Ukraime did nothing to provoke a preemptive strike.

Which IRONICALLY is exactly what the US did in Iraq.

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So, larger entity sees the bullying and then decides to kick the **** of of the little brother and then make him his *****?

Ukraine didn't do anything to provoke the preemptive strike. Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists specifically to stop Russian aggression is not a provocation. That's the smaller entity going into the police station to stop the larger entity from beating them up.

And the fact that Russia invaded them numerous times shows that they were very warranted in wanting to join the defensive alliance.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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rape of 13 year old girl has no relevance to this war..very demented

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Your reading comprehension is lacking.

BTW, considering there are numerous reports of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainians, it's actually true.

The reason the Donbass is Russian friendly and full of Russians is because the Soviets starved the native people out. The Holodomor. After the locals were starved out and dead. The asoviets seeded the region with their people. So it's 100% reasonable the Ukes *might* have a massive grudge.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.

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I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.

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I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.

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And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.

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Hold your horses there cowboy. I agree that Russia is stronger but disagree with spending more on aid. Don't lick the boot.

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So, you get to cherry pick from what he says and use that as evidence for your cause? And the other stuff he says is evidence that he doesn't know what he's talking about...

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Uh, yeah. Obviously. As I said before, nuance is good. No one should be infallible.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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rape of 13 year old girl has no relevance to this war..very demented

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While it is a disgusting analogy to make, it is useful to help me realize the flawed perspective some have when approaching this topic. To make the analogy is strange, but in context, the original poster was attempting to say something ridiculous.

OTOH, it is rather helpful to see who decided to defend such a comment as accurate. That it rather eye opening. "Mask off moment" it could be called.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.

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I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.

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I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.

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And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.

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Hold your horses there cowboy. I agree that Russia is stronger but disagree with spending more on aid. Don't lick the boot.

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So, you get to cherry pick from what he says and use that as evidence for your cause? And the other stuff he says is evidence that he doesn't know what he's talking about...

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Uh, yeah. Obviously. As I said before, nuance is good. No one should be infallible.

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Ok.

I find that a very poor take, but if that's how you view it, so be it.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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GoAgs11 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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rape of 13 year old girl has no relevance to this war..very demented

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While it is a disgusting analogy to make, it is useful to help me realize the flawed perspective some have when approaching this topic. To make the analogy is strange, but in context, the original poster was attempting to say something ridiculous.

OTOH, it is rather helpful to see who decided to defend such a comment as accurate. That it rather eye opening. "Mask off moment" it could be called.

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As I pointed out, the Russians have raped numerous women during this invasion.

So, you're right...it is a "Mask off moment" to see who supports that regime after that...

And you source for all these rapes?

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And you source for all these rapes?

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Obviously not your sources...

But, here...

Pick your poison.

The Russian Federation's Ongoing Aggression Against Ukraine

Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'

Ukraine: Rape and torture by Russian forces continuing, rights experts report

Survivors say Russia is waging a war of sexual violence in occupied areas of Ukraine. Men are often the victims (I guess they like dudes, too).

Russians committing rape, 'widespread' torture against Ukrainians, UN report finds

Ukrainian Women Share Their Accounts of Rape by Russian Forces, As Reporters Investigate Their Assailants

Ukrainian rape survivors experience silence or shame

I guess the 10th SFG didn't hear about this...

Nice dodge!
Typical, you ask me sources all the time.

Lol

Any way this whole affair is going exactly how I and anyone with any real understanding of this conflict
knew that it would.

Russia will eventually grind to victory unless there is direct and dangerous US\NATO involvement.

And you should go ahead and admit it now. It's what you want!

NOT WITH MY KIDS!!!

OPAG said:

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Nice dodge!
Typical, you ask me sources all the time.

Lol

Any way this whole affair is going exactly how I and anyone with any real understanding of this conflict
knew that it would.

Russia will eventually grind to victory unless there is direct and dangerous US\NATO involvement.

And you should go ahead and admit it now. It's what you want!

NOT WITH MY KIDS!!!

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I added to my post...

Go look at it...

It's right here...

Siege warfare, seems to be no understanding that no one wins. Winning is just the result when no fight eventually exists.

OPAG said:

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Nice dodge!
Typical, you ask me sources all the time.

Lol

Any way this whole affair is going exactly how I and anyone with any real understanding of this conflict
knew that it would.

Russia will eventually grind to victory unless there is direct and dangerous US\NATO involvement.

And you should go ahead and admit it now. It's what you want!

NOT WITH MY KIDS!!!

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BTW, I don't want direct war.

That is a complete lie. Should should stop lying like that about me.

Getting close to Ukraine no longer having any fight. The only logical evolution is for USA to step in to continue supporting this war.

Thank goodness some republicans have limited this conflict from growing further, despite the turtle/Cheney wing:

She said what about the Russian Army? 😮 pic.twitter.com/uzFYmiRa6T

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 22, 2024

Very interesting. Today was one of the largest advancement days in weeks/months. Russian forces advanced in virtually every front. Some advancements in:
1. Robotino
2. Urozhayne below
3. Up north in Kupyansk
4. Major advances in Toretsk and Nelipovka area
5. Ukrainsk -… https://t.co/VMqNQXZQ2o

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 22, 2024

Long thread by this Albanian gent, worth a read to track the Russian changes since February:

From here on it gets a lot worse.
As said before, suddenly Russia is pressing back on multiple points. At once.
The attacks generally never stopped along the LoC, but they were thought to be complimentary as not to burn too fast through the units.
This changed after Kursk. 16/N https://t.co/A9LVedqjoh

— IRT (@Mik0R0la) September 20, 2024

Ukrainian support for a ceasefire/fighting to 'liberate all the land' has shifted materially;


Jake Sullivan (!) who is a very low IQ idiot tragically long-term involved in our foreign affairs since Obama was sworn in, with a key admission, or two:

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In the 'Europe First' grand strategic paradigm these crucial weapons are being exhausted for a tertiary conflict where core US national interests aren't threatened ... all while our reserves for far more critical strategic theaters like the Asia Pacific run empty.

What is more the lack of these critical weapons systems could invite China to act more aggressively in the region given that the costs of offense will be assessed as lower (i.e., less Patriots, less loss of aircraft, etc.)

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As I've been saying for years, China is the primary benefactor of this **** show.

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The reason the Donbass is Russian friendly and full of Russians is because the Soviets starved the native people out. The Holodomor. After the locals were starved out and dead. The asoviets seeded the region with their people. So it's 100% reasonable the Ukes *might* have a massive grudge.

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Ahhh.....so it's okay to persecute some people for something their ancestors did 60 years ago?

Where do you fall on reparations and giving land back to indigenous people?

^^both of these examples are far less peresecutorial toward whites than the **** the Ukrs were pulling in Donbass and yet I would bet you're against both of these proposals.^^

How about ur stance on GAZA and Israel?

You are making the exact same argument to excuse the Ukes here as leftists make here in the states.

Hypocritical UNLESS you vocally support any 3 of these initiatives.

If we want to start excusing present day political and ethnic persecutions because of historic and ancestral inequalities and atrocities then the entire human race gets wiped out in a heartbeat.

Additionally, if ALL of Ukraine was salty about Soviet activity then why oh why was Ukraine VERY Russia friendly up until the Obama ed CIA initiated that coup?

KIDS!!!BTW, I don't want direct war.

That is a complete lie. Should should stop lying like that about me.

BS!

You have clearly supported Telag when questioned about NATO\US
giving Ukraine advanced tactical weapons to strike deep inside Russia.

This direct war whether you say so or not.

You don't get to define that action as not direct. Again the roles were reversed, the US would clearly and correctly determine such actions as direct war and we respond accordingly.

That is our history,

Of course you neocon fools think Russians are stupid Neanderthals with no abilities to do anything.

You are wrong and I will say it again, NOT WITH MY KIDS.

Rape happens in war

Even the US does it. Russian War tactics are particularly brutal. It's both inexcusable and unfortunately a reality of war.

But then again so is war.

Rape is wrong...so is the death of 280,000 Iraqi civilians because ur daddy needed you to finish his war so you photoshopped some satellite photos and decided to lie about mustard gas.

We can go round and round about the morality of war all day.

But in a nutshell, war is bad...we all agree on that. We just disagree on how to best end this conflict.

Some of yall believe that failing to address Russian national security concerns and just beating them into submission with all of Europe allied and a belligerent NATO on their doorstep will generate a lasting peace and curtail further Russian aggression.

Some of us believe doing so only creates an increasingly vindictive adversary that will wait until they once again feel they have the upper hand to reinitiate violence and the best path forward is addressing the Russian National security concerns diplomatically while making it clear further aggression will not be tolerated by the international community. And that at the moment the goal should be saving lives and creating a lasting diplomatic peace.

You and Teslag obviously believe the former.

I believe history has proven that your approach doesn't work and only escalates to conflict or results in endless war.

But hey.....if trillions of dollars in the middle east don't convince u then not much can I suppose.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Rape happens in war

Even the US does it. Russian War tactics are particularly brutal. It's both inexcusable and unfortunately a reality of war.

But then again so is war.

Rape is wrong...so is the death of 280,000 Iraqi civilians because ur daddy needed you to finish his war so you photoshopped some satellite photos and decided to lie about mustard gas.

We can go round and round about the morality of war all day.

But in a nutshell, war is bad...we all agree on that. We just disagree on how to best end this conflict.

Some of yall believe that failing to address Russian national security concerns and just beating them into submission with all of Europe allied and a belligerent NATO on their doorstep will generate a lasting peace and curtail further Russian aggression.

Some of us believe doing so only creates an increasingly vindictive adversary that will wait until they once again feel they have the upper hand to reinitiate violence and the best path forward is addressing the Russian National security concerns diplomatically while making it clear further aggression will not be tolerated by the international community. And that at the moment the goal should be saving lives and creating a lasting diplomatic peace.

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Ok.

So, I'm glad that you now agree that the analogy above was apt...

This war is bad. Russia is 100% at fault.

Russia has been showing aggression towards its neighbors for decades. THAT IS THE REASON THEY ALL WANTED TO JOIN NATO. For protection against Russian aggression.

And Russia proved, once again, that Ukraine was 100% justified in wanting to join the DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE that exists specifically to counter Russian aggression.

Hell, even Sweden and Finland, who had been holding out forever from entering NATO, finally realized that Russia really is a threat to its neighbors and joined.

Russia has no one but themselves to blame for countries wanting to join NATO.

I never said ur analogy was appropriate or applicable. In fact I demonstrated how it was a bad analogy. Ukraine is a corrupt nation and was a bad actor toward ethnic Russians in Donbas long before this war began. They are not the equivalent of an innocent girl walking down the street who just got taken advantage of.

That was a HORRIBLE strawman to say i agreed with you...but at this point in the convo, its not totally unexpected for you to twist words and make false claims so you can pretend to dunk on people who disagree with you.

And once again we get back to where we were 100 pages ago.......

The US can botch all the foreign policy it wants, provoke nations into thinking war is their only option for rectifying the situation, and then bear zero responsibility for the ****storm that follows.

All while claiming moral superiority in spite of the fact that the US has done the exact same thing Russia is doing right now....multiple times.

I am not saying Russia is right.

I am saying the US does not have the moral high ground here.

And BECAUSE it is our foreign policy blunders that contributed to this, the US bears significant responsibility for the result.

And maybe....just MAYBE changing our foreign policy from dick slinging and meddling and instigating coups left and right we should try to help foster peace and stability.

You think Russia began the provocation.....you are wrong.

The provocation went both ways with Ukrainian bad actors, a coup from the US, a US installed Ukrainian government, ethnic persecutions by Ukraine, and Russian belligerence....there is alot of blame to go around.

War happens when one side believes that there is no diplomatic solution to their grievances.

The US contributed to Russia feeling that way.

The US would not have allowed Russia to act the same way on our shores

And so it is unreasonable to blame Russia for doing EXACTLY what we would have done and HAVE done in similar circumstances

Your argument that the war can end when Russia goes home is the same argument ISIS, The Taliban, the Afghanis, The Houthis, and HAMAS all make as they wage their terror war on the US.

Their argument is- yeah, we provoked you. But we didn't MAKE you attack our country.

And the war can end whenever you decide to go home.

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Nice dodge!
Typical, you ask me sources all the time.

Lol

Any way this whole affair is going exactly how I and anyone with any real understanding of this conflict
knew that it would.

Russia will eventually grind to victory unless there is direct and dangerous US\NATO involvement.

And you should go ahead and admit it now. It's what you want!

NOT WITH MY KIDS!!!

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So in February of 2022 you knew that we'd be in stalemate 2 and half years later with Russia having lost 60% of everything they gained in the first couple months of war? You knew they'd lose their fleet flagship? You knew they'd suffer tons of casualties? You knew they'd take large damage inside their borders? That Wagner would force a coup and be dispersed? That Russia would be invaded for the first time since WW2?


You knew this is how it would all play out?

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Additionally, if ALL of Ukraine was salty about Soviet activity then why oh why was Ukraine VERY Russia friendly up until the Obama ed CIA initiated that coup?

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So friendly that they voted for Ukrainian independence by over 90% after the fall of the USSR…

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You think Russia began the provocation.....you are wrong.

The provocation went both ways with Ukrainian bad actors, a coup from the US, a US installed Ukrainian government, ethnic persecutions by Ukraine, and Russian belligerence....there is alot of blame to go around.

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Provocation is irrelevant in a pure and simple land grab. Which this is.

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I never said ur analogy was appropriate or applicable. In fact I demonstrated how it was a bad analogy. Ukraine is a corrupt nation and was a bad actor toward ethnic Russians in Donbas long before this war began. They are not the equivalent of an innocent girl walking down the street who just got taken advantage of.

That was a HORRIBLE strawman to say i agreed with you...but at this point in the convo, its not totally unexpected for you to twist words and make false claims so you can pretend to dunk on people who disagree with you.

And once again we get back to where we were 100 pages ago.......

The US can botch all the foreign policy it wants, provoke nations into thinking war is their only option for rectifying the situation, and then bear zero responsibility for the ****storm that follows.

All while claiming moral superiority in spite of the fact that the US has done the exact same thing Russia is doing right now....multiple times.

I am not saying Russia is right.

I am saying the US does not have the moral high ground here.

And BECAUSE it is our foreign policy blunders that contributed to this, the US bears significant responsibility for the result.

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Actually, you did not refute the analogy. You said a lot of convoluted words, though. But, carry on.

And, as usual, you blame the US for RUSSIA invading Ukraine. Jeez.

Sometimes the reason really is that Russia is at fault. They attacked Chechnya twice. They attacked Georgia. They attacked Crimea.

And you're surprised that Ukraine wanted to be in a defensive alliance that would prevent Russia from invading them??? And you want to blame that on the US, even though Russia has been doing this since right after the USSR broke up?

Whatever...

Saint Zelensky to pitch WW3 this week:

One must concede, with some measure of trepidation, that Mr. Zelensky's recent pronouncements bear the mark of a man unburdened by subtlety. For weeks, he has touted a "master plan" that, when revealed, appears to be little more than a thinly veiled ultimatum: "Let Ukraine into…

— @amuse (@amuse) September 23, 2024

⚡️‼️🚨NEW REPORT: https://t.co/VTqLCZQ7Z3#war #russia #ukraine #israel #palestine #nato #geopolitics #politics pic.twitter.com/Lq6dBw1huu

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) September 23, 2024

Ukrainians apparently meanwhile withdrawing from Ugledar, other areas all along the eastern front;

Ukraine Struggles to Hold Eastern Front Amid Russian Advances

Despite Ukraine's recent offensive in the Kursk region, the situation on the eastern front remains dire, with Russian forces reportedly "crushing" Ukrainian defenses. According to the Financial Times, the strategic… pic.twitter.com/BjBtzTzj33

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) September 23, 2024

But hey, that Sudza grocery store provided some great photo ops last month.

Zelensky got his ass kicked and now he wants to flip the table. God help us all if does it.

Good. Ukraine in NATO ends this war and brings lasting peace in that region. Anyone that truly wants this war to end should hope for it.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky got his ass kicked and now he wants to flip the table. God help us all if does it.

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This is a perfect example of delusion that is required to blindly follow extremist politics (on either side).

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No Spin Ag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.

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The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.

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Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.

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Actually, it's not.

A larger more powerful entity tried to violate a smaller entity with severe violence.

Fits both his example and the Ukraine war.

Sorry it makes you uncomfortable to see that.

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Smaller entity has gang turf next to larger entity and threatened to join a bigger gang and take over the larger entity's drug business.

Larger entity saw the smaller entity bullying his little brother (Donbas region) and going through the gang initiation and decided to do a drive by to off the little guy before he could join the bigger gang and take over his turf.

^^this is the more applicable analogy^^

UR analogy posits that Ukraime did nothing to provoke a preemptive strike.

Which IRONICALLY is exactly what the US did in Iraq.

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You left out the bigger entity had killed off all the men of the smaller entity, taken all the resources for decades until it finally imploded. Allowing the smaller entity to finally be free of it grasp and plunder and was only reaching out to another "gang" in a defensive manner in hopes it won't happen again. Because it did in 2014 after the bigger gang promised not to and can't be trusted.