Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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5:48a, 9/15/24
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To the last Ukrainian:


Embezzlement and money laundering is the whole point of the war to many:


US censorship regime strikes at RT for dissenting from the preferred narrative orthodox pro-war Americans are allowed to read:
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The deputy editor-in-chief cited former US President John F. Kennedy, who said: "We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."

Washington's claims about RT "prove just the opposite that they are in fact afraid, they are terrified of any truly dissenting voice," she stated, adding that policymakers in Washington fear that this narrative will be heard in America and around the world.

"They want to be the ones to control all the information, all the narratives. Too bad for them, because RT isn't going anywhere. We will continue doing our job and we will continue to find new ways to reach audiences in every corner of the world," Belkina said.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has described the sanctions against RT as "xenophobia, racism, and Nazism in its purest form." She also previously accused Washington of trampling on freedom of speech and democracy.


Forever war, comrades.
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Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has described the sanctions against RT as "xenophobia, racism, and Nazism in its purest form." She also previously accused Washington of trampling on freedom of speech and democracy.


L O effing L
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In reply to GAC06 • 9:28a, 9/15/24
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The actual nazi's certainly suppress dissenting speech;


I see Cirillo has put his wig back on: what is the value to this sort of absurdity? To me, it utterly devalues the claims that 'we have to censor RT etc. as misinformation' when the CIA/Kiev folks are putting out such idiocy.


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The Russian operational-tactical aviation and missile forces have defeated reserves of seven brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 11 settlements of the Sumy region within 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

"Operational-tactical aviation and missile forces carried out strikes on the concentration areas in the Sumy region and reserves of the 21st, 22nd and 41st mechanized and 82nd airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 1, as well as the 103rd and 106th territorial defense brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Belopolye, Vodolagi, Zhuravka, Obody, Katerynovka, Rechki, Pavlovka, Sosnovka, Sumy, Khoten, Yunakovka, Yastrebinoe, and Yampol," the ministry said.
More losses/sitrep. Very long weekly sitrep with several good video summaries from yesterday.
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2:55p, 9/15/24
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Coming up on 1 week of hearing nothing in this thread from Uke supporters but sarcasm- Is the battlefield situation that bad?

"You're rooting for Russia" I have heard before.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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7:32p, 9/15/24
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The attempted assassin parroted all the same talking points
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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8:11p, 9/15/24
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This video on drone warfare is tremendous. Scary stuff, it is changing the nature of modern warfare.

"only one thing is important!"
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 5:35a, 9/16/24
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Yes, big surprise he is a big Democrat Ukraine proxy war acolyte. He wanted to partner with Afghani's to go to Ukraine to fight for Nuland-Zelensky's team:


He was in a damn Azov SS video, just as the first one was in a Blackrock ad. He even wrote a book advocating nuclear war etc:


Clearly someone who was over-consumed as a believer in war propaganda a la NYT/ISW etc. The entirety of the Democrat war machine needs to be retired from Washington DC:


Anyway, today's sitrep, as Ukraine's situation worsens further…
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Well, what else is new?
You'll notice what the pro-UA and Western sides are doing is deliberately playing "dumb" when necessary in reporting on Kursk. For instance, they continue to call it a great success, and talk of positional fighting, when in reality they're intentionally ignoring the past week or two of reports and are merely rehashing the first week from August 6th, now nearly a month and a half ago.

The fact is, the AFU is now being driven back mercilessly, getting slaughtered with heavy losses, and if you take a look at the map, they control significantly less territory in Kursk, with it shrinking every day. Yes, in order to staunch the losses they attempted to launch another desperate assault into a different direction at Russia's rear, near Glushkovo. However, that too was vastly exaggerated and they were pushed back to a single tiny village mere meters from the Ukrainian border after being badly destroyed:
More at the link, as always. Forever war, comrades.
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2:38p, 9/16/24
Woah the other thread wants perpetual war industry military complex must be fed

If Russia cannot even defeat UKE why should we/nato be worried about them ?
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:40p, 9/16/24
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Yes, big surprise he is a big Democrat Ukraine proxy war acolyte. He wanted to partner with Afghani's to go to Ukraine to fight for Nuland-Zelensky's team:


He was in a damn Azov SS video, just as the first one was in a Blackrock ad. He even wrote a book advocating nuclear war etc:


Clearly someone who was over-consumed as a believer in war propaganda a la NYT/ISW etc. The entirety of the Democrat war machine needs to be retired from Washington DC:


Anyway, today's sitrep, as Ukraine's situation worsens further…
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Well, what else is new?
You'll notice what the pro-UA and Western sides are doing is deliberately playing "dumb" when necessary in reporting on Kursk. For instance, they continue to call it a great success, and talk of positional fighting, when in reality they're intentionally ignoring the past week or two of reports and are merely rehashing the first week from August 6th, now nearly a month and a half ago.

The fact is, the AFU is now being driven back mercilessly, getting slaughtered with heavy losses, and if you take a look at the map, they control significantly less territory in Kursk, with it shrinking every day. Yes, in order to staunch the losses they attempted to launch another desperate assault into a different direction at Russia's rear, near Glushkovo. However, that too was vastly exaggerated and they were pushed back to a single tiny village mere meters from the Ukrainian border after being badly destroyed:
More at the link, as always. Forever war, comrades.


Yeah everyone with a brain knows the invasion is a failure
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In reply to GoAgs11 • 2:49p, 9/16/24
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GoAgs11 said:
Woah the other thread wants perpetual war industry military complex must be fed

If Russia cannot even defeat UKE why should we/nato be worried about them ?
It's quite the paradox, though frankly I think the Ukrainian fronts are at risk of collapse over the next year (which will/would have zero impact on the United States other than saving us some money). This is supported by actual reporting from within Ukraine (when it leaks out).





It would be interesting to learn where this Routh character became familiar with the SKS, and how his globe-traveling was funded, to say nothing of his secure messaging (using telegram?).

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11:00p, 9/18/24
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I don't know how Ukraine can recover. Is the hope for another sudden/unknown assault to capture significant land?

When this thing ends (on Russian terms) the claim will be that we did enough. I disagree. This is decimation. This is hopeless. And the worst part - this was completely avoidable. Will not share the videos in the updates from recent days. Disgusting and inhumane.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 4:46a, 9/19/24
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A remnant of Ukraine could only be preserved if Trump is elected again.


Flag cheerleaders are probably real excited about this one; spoiler alert, it won't have a material impact on the war.


I've been told this is entirely false. Weird to see it on VOA:

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PENTAGON Russia's military is bigger and stronger than it was prior to invading Ukraine in February 2022, the commander of United States Air Forces in Europe and Africa cautioned Tuesday.

"Russia is getting larger, and they're getting better than they were before. … They are actually larger than they were when [the invasion] kicked off," Air Force General James Hecker told reporters at the Air & Space Forces Association's annual Air, Space & Cyber Conference.
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In reply to nortex97 • 11:55a, 9/19/24
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A remnant of Ukraine could only be preserved if Trump is elected again.
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This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Trumpy. You're my only hope.

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nortex97 said:
A remnant of Ukraine could only be preserved if Trump is elected again.


Flag cheerleaders are probably real excited about this one; spoiler alert, it won't have a material impact on the war.


I've been told this is entirely false. Weird to see it on VOA:

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PENTAGON Russia's military is bigger and stronger than it was prior to invading Ukraine in February 2022, the commander of United States Air Forces in Europe and Africa cautioned Tuesday.

"Russia is getting larger, and they're getting better than they were before. … They are actually larger than they were when [the invasion] kicked off," Air Force General James Hecker told reporters at the Air & Space Forces Association's annual Air, Space & Cyber Conference.
Must have missed this part...

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However, William Pomeranz, a senior scholar at the Kennan Institute, told VOA that "this move suggests that Vladimir Putin is losing the war."

"This is an open signal from Vladimir Putin that his army and his military is in trouble and doesn't have the resources to maintain troops in the field," Pomeranz said.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 4:45a, 9/20/24
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LOL, I didn't miss it, it's just silly narrative engineering past the crux of the admission. The narrative broadly seems to be adjusting, imho, for Trump shutting this war down later this year/early next:


What an utter disaster Kursk has been:


Wow:


Sitrep. Excerpt:
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After the disaster in Novogrodovka, Ukrainian troops were redeployed to the Pokrovsk direction, which slowed the Russian advance, though it still exceeded the pace seen in June and July. Fighting is currently taking place on the outskirts of the Pokrovsk-Selidovo urban area, with a population of about 200,000 people. After Slaviansk-Kramatorsk, this is the second-largest urban area in Donbass which is still under the control of the AFU. On the evening of September 17, it was reported that the city of Ukrainsk (population 10,000) had been captured.

Russia's immediate goal is to capture the city of Selidovo (population 25,000), which unlike Grodovka could not be seized immediately. The Russian Army is now trying to encircle Selidovo by approaching it via the town of Gorniak. Meanwhile, the AFU is carrying out counterattacks along the entire front, but so far with limited success. Generally, if Russian forces seize Pokrovsk before winter, it would be a significant victory and a sign of major challenges faced by the AFU.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:45a, 9/20/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
I don't know how Ukraine can recover. Is the hope for another sudden/unknown assault to capture significant land?

When this thing ends (on Russian terms) the claim will be that we did enough. I disagree. This is decimation. This is hopeless. And the worst part - this was completely avoidable. Will not share the videos in the updates from recent days. Disgusting and inhumane.


Of course it was avoidable. Putin could have simply chose not to invade a sovereign nation in a pure land grab.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:19a, 9/21/24
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Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:50a, 9/21/24
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Pretty much (assuming Trump wins which is doubtful). I think the status quo will just roll over and then blame Trump that we "lost" Ukraine if he gets elected and then gets this negotiated.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:54a, 9/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.


I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.
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In reply to Teslag • 9:59a, 9/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
I don't know how Ukraine can recover. Is the hope for another sudden/unknown assault to capture significant land?

When this thing ends (on Russian terms) the claim will be that we did enough. I disagree. This is decimation. This is hopeless. And the worst part - this was completely avoidable. Will not share the videos in the updates from recent days. Disgusting and inhumane.


Of course it was avoidable. Putin could have simply chose not to invade a sovereign nation in a pure land grab.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to YouBet • 10:09a, 9/21/24
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He will need to be very careful in any post-election/pre-swearing in period though, as conducting foreign policy prior to his inauguration would be grounds for the next Russia Russia Russia Ukraine impeachment effort against him. God forbid he stop a cherished war, of course, that would not make the War Party happy in any way.



The real risk as we don't presently even have a President is that Ukraine/the CIA succeeds in drawing the US into a direct war with Russia:



Again, such a pathetic waste of lives and money/materiel alike:


Forever war, comrades.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:13a, 9/21/24
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The quote in purple is logical and exactly what they should be doing from the Ukraine POV. It's the same strategy Churchill used for getting the US into WWII.

I just hope it doesn't work. Last thing we need is WWIII.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:13a, 9/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.


I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.


I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:19a, 9/21/24
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He will need to be very careful in any post-election/pre-swearing in period though, as conducting foreign policy prior to his inauguration would be grounds for the next Russia Russia Russia Ukraine impeachment effort against him. God forbid he stop a cherished war, of course, that would not make the War Party happy in any way.



The real risk as we don't presently even have a President is that Ukraine/the CIA succeeds in drawing the US into a direct war with Russia:



Again, such a pathetic waste of lives and money/materiel alike:


Forever war, comrades.
Unless Putin withdraws, then *poof* no more war.

It couldn't be any easier thing for him to do.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:22a, 9/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.


I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.


I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.


And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 10:22a, 9/21/24
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Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:25a, 9/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.


I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.


I agree with you there. It would be stupid to blindly agree with them at all times. They were wrong about covid vaccines for example, but correct about this. Nuance is good.


And if you read the actual article that same general says we need to keep assisting Ukraine in their fight for independence and give them what they need. And oppose Russia anywhere we can.

Glad you agree with him and think he's right.


Hold your horses there cowboy. I agree that Russia is stronger but disagree with spending more on aid. Don't lick the boot.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:28a, 9/21/24
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 10:32a, 9/21/24
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No Spin Ag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.


Yes. Comparing Ukraine to a 13 year old rape victim is ridiculous. And gross.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:39a, 9/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Absolutely hilarious an American General admits Russia is stronger. I know some here who would disagree and have served but General Hecker gets to pull rank.
I like this board jumps from the general officer corps being full of woke liberals on one thread to the ultimate authority on whatever they agree with me in the next thread.
"This board" consists of a multitude of posters with disparate views about a lot of things including the outcome/situation in 'Ukraine', and the general officer corps of the US Military is quite diverse both in their backgrounds and political beliefs, though the officer corps remains overall much more conservative than the enlisted portion of the armed forces, to my knowledge. Personally, I certainly don't think all general officers are 'woke' per Biden-Obama-Harris war party objectives, but they have increased the idiocy rate, again imho, quite a bit. Heck, you and I probably agree about more than we disagree, politically.

His position gives him unique insight which those of us not receiving classified briefings as to the Russian military do not have, which he shared shockingly with VOA.

No clue what's going on in the 'other' thread, and frankly zero interest.

The Biden-Harris wars/international disaster have strengthened China-BRICS-Russia tremendously, at the cost of long term American interests at a scale I couldn't have fathomed in 2021:



I bring this up only to point out yet again that leadership matters in wars of all kinds/time. While I see very little moral difference as between Putin and Zelensky/Syrsky, nor do I have any affinity for the Ukrainian regime which tacitly supported multiple impeachment/coup efforts against Trump the first time, utterly corrupt leadership does matter. Most especially when considering whether to support the further annihilation of an entire people. The cowardly oligarch class running both Russia and Ukraine should not be supported by our weapons/money/logistics, and we should pull back from pushing toward direct warfare with Russia/China (and yes, even Iran).
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 10:47a, 9/21/24
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No Spin Ag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.


Spot on comparison
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The Tolly Bon in BRICS! Nice. Is our military hardware their ante?
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 10:56a, 9/21/24
No Spin Ag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.



This is a weird and creepy metaphor
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In reply to GoAgs11 • 11:04a, 9/21/24
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GoAgs11 said:
No Spin Ag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Zelensky could surrender. Then poof no more war.

…since we're being ridiculous.
The 13-year-old rape victim could also tell the guy beating her and causing her to die inside that she wants it. I mean, we're being ridiculous, after all.



This is a weird and creepy metaphor


I absolutely agree. The goal was to be ridiculous, not disgusting.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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