Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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I didn't say anything. I literally linked and screenshot the thing you tried to pretend was a state secret.
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OPAG said:

Sure, if you say so!


His desperation is showing.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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I didn't say anything. I literally linked and screenshot the thing you tried to pretend was a state secret.
Please show me where I ever insinuated that this was some sort of 'state secret;?

I simply asked you if you were part of the 10th SFG. And you said no,

I then asked you if you knew what their area of concern is.

You said no and you did not care.

I then proceeded to say who they were.

I was asked then what point was I trying to make.

You then said I google searched it. (I did not not. LOL)

But you just be you.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

OPAG said:

Sure, if you say so!


His desperation is showing.
What "desperation" are you talking about?
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I didn't say anything. I literally linked and screenshot the thing you tried to pretend was a state secret.
Please show me where I ever insinuated that this was some sort of 'state secret;?

I simply asked you if you were part of the 10th SFG. And you said no,

I then asked you if you knew what their area of concern is.

You said no and you did not care.

I then proceeded to say who they were.

I was asked then what point was I trying to make.

You then said I google searched it. (I did not not. LOL)

But you just be you.
You did leave out the part of the conversation with me:

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AWK: What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

OPAG: 10th group SF area of concern is Eastern Europe, Russia and Ukraine.

AWK: Ok.

Again, what does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

OPAG: That is the only US based intelligence (Mil or otherwise) that has any clue about what is really going on in that arena and has been since the onset. Figure it out. LOL

AWK: That's nice. I'm proud of them and wish them well.

What's your point?

OPAG: No point, except I was given permission to point that fact out. LOL
Why would you need permission to point out the fact that the 10th group SF is "the only US based intelligence (Mil or otherwise) that has any clue about what is really going on in that arena and has been since the onset"?

And what would I need to "figure out" about a fact that is public knowledge (since it's on wikipedia)?
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Wikipedia of course states their primary responsibility but doesn't state they are 'the only ones in the intelligence complex that have a clue about what is going on.' Not sure why y'all are trying to tap dance around that as some sort of great point, especially after reports such as the one about how under Obama-Biden the IC refused outright ("Just following orders") to accept data about our enemies, even to take possession of it, contra their narrative/beliefs/commands. The intelligence community has been largely compromised, imho, for some time.

Anyway…Nuland admitting how the peace deal was killed in favor of hundreds of thousands dead: she didn't like a neutral, demilitarized Ukraine.







Forever war.

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Wikipedia of course states their primary responsibility but doesn't state they are 'the only ones in the intelligence complex that have a clue about what is going on.' Not sure why y'all are trying to tap dance around that as some sort of great point, especially after reports such as the one about how under Obama-Biden the IC refused outright ("Just following orders") to accept data about our enemies, even to take possession of it, contra their narrative/beliefs/commands. The intelligence community has been largely compromised, imho, for some time.

Anyway…Nuland admitting how the peace deal was killed in favor of hundreds of thousands dead: she didn't like a neutral, demilitarized Ukraine.







Forever war.


Well, I'm going to guess there are other agencies that also have a clue, but that would be the only US military one that would really matter. And so what? The 10th group SF knows things in the area of its responsibility. AND???

BTW, the "Forever war" could end right now if Putin would stop invading Ukraine and take his soldiers home.
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but that would be the only US military one that would really matter. And so what? The 10th group SF knows things in the area of its responsibility. AND???

Yep, and that's not how it remotely works. All of those groups fall under SOCOM and then share with each geographic combatant command. And within each combatant commands you'll have associated task forces. For example, we fell under 5th Group while in Iraq and Syria. However, while there they also aligned with SOJTF which itself shared with CJTF to then carry out the overall mission for OIR.
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8km.



10:1 manpower advantage:

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8km.



10:1 manpower advantage:


Sounds like they need some FLIR FPV cameras on their drones.
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As I said before, I could take you by the hand, introduce you directly to my "sources" and you would still not believe it,

So let me simply spell it out for you, yes ONE of my sources is from the 10th. Now you can choose to believe that or not.

But understand, what ever you believe or not believe has zero impact on the truth.

Of course you guys don't believe me you are basically calling me a liar.

I have no reason to lie. And as I said to you and staff I am not going to do nothing in anyway shape or form to reveal any info that could be remotely traced back, UNTIL I GOT DIRECT PERMISSION.

I am just going to put both of you on ignore and move on.
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Yep, and that's not how it remotely works. All of those groups fall under SOCOM and then share with each geographic combatant command. And within each combatant commands you'll have associated task forces. For example, we fell under 5th Group while in Iraq and Syria. However, while there they also aligned with SOJTF which itself shared with CJTF to then carry out the overall mission for OIR.
Even more proof I why I will put you on ingore. You have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to a MIl intelligence level. NONE.
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As I said before, I could take you by the hand, introduce you directly to my "sources" and you would still not believe it,

So let me simply spell it out for you, yes ONE of my sources is from the 10th. Now you can choose to believe that or not.

But understand, what ever you believe or not believe has zero impact on the truth.

Of course you guys don't believe me you are basically calling me a liar.

I have no reason to lie. And as I said to you and staff I am not going to do nothing in anyway shape or form to reveal any info that could be remotely traced back, UNTIL I GOT DIRECT PERMISSION.

I am just going to put both of you on ignore and move on.
I believe you so very much.

And I'm glad they gave you permission to tell us that their area of responsibility covered Ukraine.
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Yep, and that's not how it remotely works. All of those groups fall under SOCOM and then share with each geographic combatant command. And within each combatant commands you'll have associated task forces. For example, we fell under 5th Group while in Iraq and Syria. However, while there they also aligned with SOJTF which itself shared with CJTF to then carry out the overall mission for OIR.
Even more proof I why I will put you on ingore. You have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to a MIl intelligence level. NONE.

Well, one of us was there and one of us gets their intel from Wikipedia.
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Yep, and that's not how it remotely works. All of those groups fall under SOCOM and then share with each geographic combatant command. And within each combatant commands you'll have associated task forces. For example, we fell under 5th Group while in Iraq and Syria. However, while there they also aligned with SOJTF which itself shared with CJTF to then carry out the overall mission for OIR.
Even more proof I why I will put you on ingore. You have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to a MIl intelligence level. NONE.


Where is he specifically wrong here?
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Where is he specifically wrong here?
I don't again speak for anyone else but so much of that poster's 'expertise' is simply analogous to my thinking I could coach the Aggie pitchers based on having attended football games for a few years as a spectator. Being somewhere doesn't give someone subject matter expertise on all things involved in a matter as diverse/complex as the military, or tradecraft/intelligence. And I say that as someone who…actually was in an Army MI unit once, but I was just a PFC and a teenager at the time, so hardly a…subject matter expert, nor would I ever claim as much.

Anyway, new 'wonder weapon' to come later, LOL:


Russian advantages not just in manpower, but drones, EW, air power, and artillery, per Ukrainians:


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I don't again speak for anyone else but so much of that poster's 'expertise' is simply analogous to my thinking I could coach the Aggie pitchers based on having attended football games for a few years as a spectator. Being somewhere doesn't give someone subject matter expertise on all things involved in a matter as diverse/complex as the military, or tradecraft/intelligence. And I say that as someone who…actually was in an Army MI unit once, but I was just a PFC and a teenager at the time, so hardly a…subject matter expert, nor would I ever claim as much.


So just a big word salad to not actually refute anything specific?
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Where is he specifically wrong here?
I don't again speak for anyone else but so much of that poster's 'expertise' is simply analogous to my thinking I could coach the Aggie pitchers based on having attended football games for a few years as a spectator. Being somewhere doesn't give someone subject matter expertise on all things involved in a matter as diverse/complex as the military, or tradecraft/intelligence. And I say that as someone who…actually was in an Army MI unit once, but I was just a PFC and a teenager at the time, so hardly a…subject matter expert, nor would I ever claim as much.

Anyway, new 'wonder weapon' to come later, LOL:


Russian advantages not just in manpower, but drones, EW, air power, and artillery, per Ukrainians:





Don't think that poster ever claimed to be an expert on anything and was just pointing out that Opag getting "permission" from some top secret source to share info that can be googled in 10 seconds was absurd. So I was trying to figure out what opag was talking about before he stuck his head back in the sand and blocked me too.
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Wow - I underestimated your intelligence or ability to connect any dots at all. You just cannot do it. You are totally bought and sold neocon. Like Liz Cheny.

Let me spell it out for ya:

For some time now I have said redundantly that the reason we knew the date and time of the Rusk invasion was because THEY TOLD US,

Is because they did and they contacted their counter parts in the 10th.

There are other things that I said as well,



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And will reiterate what I was given permission to say.


ALL REAL INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN UKRAINE FROM A MILITARY PERSPECTIVE IS COMING THROUGH THE 10th, not the CIA, not the DOD - the 10th informs the DOD.

Period.
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OPAG said:

And will reiterate what I was given permission to say.


ALL REAL INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN UKRAINE FROM A MILITARY PERSPECTIVE IS COMING THROUGH THE 10th, not the CIA, not the DOD - the 10th informs the DOD.

Period.
And ok...

The SF group responsible for that theater is giving information that gets fed up to the DoD.

Ok. That's kind of expected, since that's one of the jobs they do.

Again, what is your point? That you know a guy that told you unclassified information?
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I think his point is that he read a Wikipedia article on the 10th then regurgitated it here to pass off as some kind of insider information.

Or

There's a guy in the 10th that's specifically in charge of declassifying information to disseminate properly vetted information on college football fan forums.
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Kharkov command center struck.





More at rybar on x.
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As Trump promised to end the war quickly last night, without defining "Kiev as winning." Both sides have to 'win' for it to be a quick end, dipstick debate partisan hack moderator.

Sitrep: Kursk front crumbles. CNN reports:
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As a battalion commander, Dima was in charge of around 800 men who fought in some of the fiercest, bloodiest battles of the war most recently near Pokrovsk, the strategic eastern town that is now on the brink of falling to Russia.
But with most of his troops now dead or severely injured, Dima decided he'd had enough. He quit and took another job with the military in an office in Kyiv.
Again we hear the same timeworn tale:
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Two and half years of Russia's grinding offensive have decimated many Ukrainian units. Reinforcements are few and far between, leaving some soldiers exhausted and demoralized. The situation is particularly dire among infantry units near Pokrovsk and elsewhere on the eastern front line, where Ukraine is struggling to stop Russia's creeping advances.
The more eye-opening admission pertains to the utterly widespread nature of desertion in the AFU's ranks:
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CNN spoke to six commanders and officers who are or were until recently fighting or supervising units in the area. All six said desertion and insubordination are becoming a widespread problem, especially among newly recruited soldiers.
"Not all mobilized soldiers are leaving their positions, but the majority are. When new guys come here, they see how difficult it is. They see a lot of enemy drones, artillery and mortars," one unit commander currently fighting in Pokrovsk told CNN. He also asked to remain anonymous.
The majority of mobilized soldiers are leaving their positions? Mobilized are now the majority of the entire armed forces, so that can't be a good sign.
Umm, 50 percent desertion rates is pretty bad.



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From this link:

This is just proving exactly what I and a handful of others with a brain have been saying for some time.

A part from major deployment of NATO/US boot or advanced long range tatical weapons. (which has some extremely dire possibilities) Ukraine - at lest the citizens of Ukraine will lose.

They cannot fight a grind it out Russian style war of attrition.
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When we see Dick Cheney and host of Neocons forever war and MIC snakes, throw their endorsement on to Harris.

Again, anyone with a brain sees this and then the leading questions (from ABC/DISNEY left woke media) to Trump about this Ukraine war, it is clear what we have here.

It is as I have said since before the 2016 election. Ukraine is the NWO, Cabal, Obama and Necoon like McCain, Romney, Cheney, Bush play. 100%

This has nothing to do with saving democracy, total BS. Has nothing to do with serving the interest of the US as a nation or a people.

It has everything to do with money, power and control to a corrupt elite. and the MIC.
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This is an interview of JD Vance by Shawn Ryan.

They discussed the Ukraine Russian conflict.

I have marked the video to begin with that dialogue.

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Russian grind offensive continuing:

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Excellent interview, thx. This is not…a humanitarian war to support.



BRICS meeting ongoing;




Wow, up to 4 million now, around 15 percent of the pre-war population:
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It is quite strange how it seems to ebb and flow so consistently across the online space. No t sure if it is the chicken or the egg, but when MSM is quiet, so is social media. The contrapositive is also true.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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October surprise?


Sitrep: Hail Mary gets off to a rocky start
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Zelensky is traveling to the US to present his plan, which some sources have claimed has three points, which I outlined last time, but as reminder:
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1. Zelensky wants the US to allow long-range strikes into Russia with foreign missiles to destroy all military bases, airfields, ammunition and fuel depots within the European part of Russia.
2. The West (US/NATO) must protect Western Ukraine with Polish and Romanian air defense systems from Russian retaliation strikes so Ukraine could transfer own air defense systems closer to the battlefield.
3. The West must guarantee to be prepared to get more involved by sending ground troops to certain parts of Ukraine to free up Ukraine's manpower which could be sent to the front lines. Zelensky believes after this campaign Russia would be forced to retreat, at some point Putin's leadership would be destabilized and replaced, with the new leadership signing a peace deal.

It's all an absurdity, though I could see the political appeal of ramping up the conflict heading into the election, and/or leaving Trump with a hot war with Russia to deal with. Anyway, it's a long update, but this is the crux of his take:
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As you can see in the above, the US will likely attempt to "sit on both chairs" by acceding to Ukraine's demands to give them some more leeway in strikes, but still hoping to not provoke Russia into an uncontrollable or runaway escalatory spiral. This would logically entail Ukraine given conditional permission to strike certain conventional targets, but not anything even remotely sensitive, with a long list of red-line "no-gos" which would of course include things like nuclear plants, but even likely governmental or institutional structures, for instanceat the extreme end of the casestriking the Kremlin.

This may sound absurd at face value, but Zelensky literally stated: "It's a pity we can't strike the Kremlin" in an interview days agociting the poor range of his weaponsand Ukraine would love the ability to "humiliate" Russia and boost its morale by doing something like that.
It's dangerous having these children running our foreign policy, supporting the reckless coke-head Zelensky in the proxy war. Hopefully we can make it to January safely without going to direct war with Russia/China. More at the link.
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This is what they want Nortex. As I have been screaming for years now. The cabal, the Club Rome, Schuab, Soros, Gates, Obama/Biden Harris - the Left, Romney, McCain, the Bush's. the Rothchilds, the CIA, Mi6, Five Eyes. Big Pharma, Big Ag, have all the same agenda part of the same club.

They are Malthusians, they are occultist, sexually deviant. (Marina Abromovich).

They want war. if they can't have it their way they are not against burning the whole thing down and try to run to their bunkers in NZ.
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Been pretty obvious a world order has been making the decisions and how so many politicians and the rich keep getting richer
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OPAG said:

This is what they want Nortex. As I have been screaming for years now. The cabal, the Club Rome, Schuab, Soros, Gates, Obama/Biden Harris - the Left, Romney, McCain, the Bush's. the Rothchilds, the CIA, Mi6, Five Eyes. Big Pharma, Big Ag, have all the same agenda part of the same club.

They are Malthusians, they are occultist, sexually deviant. (Marina Abromovich).

They want war. if they can't have it their way they are not against burning the whole thing down and try to run to their bunkers in NZ.
You forgot the Illuminati.
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Dr. Rob Campbell sitrep. The water situation around/in Kiev could be catastrophic this winter.





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