Teslag said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
Bookmarked.
You did this before when you kept asking for updates on the aid package... until it was approved as promised. The defense industry always gets what it wants.
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Germany just said no more a few days ago,
Teslag said:Quote:
Germany just said no more a few days ago,
Germany didn't say that. A single leaked document quoting one member of the German parliament said that. And didnt' even say they would stop, just change the source of funding for the aid.
It's like quoting MTG about ukraine funding stopping 6 months ago. And we saw what eventually happened.
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In a memo sent to the German defense ministry as early as August 5th, Finance Minister Christian Lindner said that Berlin would stop sending taxpayer funds to Ukraine, and instead rely entirely on the profits generated by Russia's frozen assets.
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Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Folks, you just cannot buy entertainment of the caliber #Germany provides every day with its #energy policy decisions.#heatpumps #idiocy
— David Blackmon's Energy Absurdity (@EnergyAbsurdity) August 20, 2024
Germany wants to cut billions in subsidies for heat pumps https://t.co/1BWr2eEpby
Oh, but why, one might ask? Because, as here, conservatives in Germany are fed up with forever wars as a waste of money/lives, especially to support parties (such as the Kiev regime) that have actively worked to damage/hurt Germany's economy as with Nordstream:Quote:
It came as a shock to Ukraine and to all those who want to support Kyiv unconditionally: the German government apparently wants to end financial aid for military aid to Ukraine from the federal budget after next year and instead tap into an international pot.
The reason for this is the extremely difficult budgetary situation in which the governing coalition of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD), the Green Party, and the neoliberal Free Democratic Party (FDP) is struggling to make ends meet.
Finance Minister Christian Lindner (FDP) wrote in a letter to Defense Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens) that "new measures" involving payment obligations may only be agreed upon if "financing has been secured."
I highly doubt President Trump will lean on them to spend massively for Zelensky next year.Quote:
The German government wants to limit aid to Ukraine not only because of the tight budget. In September, state elections will be held in three eastern German states: Saxony, Thuringia and Brandenburg. Polls predict good results for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) and the populist Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW), who want to end support for Ukraine and are in favor of reconciliation with Russia.
A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
That is just saying that Germany is going to fund Ukraine a different way, but that they are STILL going to fund them.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
I agree with everything here. Which is why my assertion isn't based solely on the leak- but also the cuts already being made.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-ukraine-military-aid-2026/a-69984998
Ag with kids said:That is just saying that Germany is going to fund Ukraine a different way, but that they are STILL going to fund them.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
I agree with everything here. Which is why my assertion isn't based solely on the leak- but also the cuts already being made.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-ukraine-military-aid-2026/a-69984998
The rest is just fear mongering that they MAY cut aid. Just like here when all the politicians whined about Ukraine aid being the most important thing since oxygen. But, there was nothing in that that stated they are GOING to cut aid, just speculation and hissy fits.
They said the other half will come from the frozen Russian assets. They did not say they were cutting the amount of aid - just changing how it is paid for. Budget games happen all the time.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:That is just saying that Germany is going to fund Ukraine a different way, but that they are STILL going to fund them.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
I agree with everything here. Which is why my assertion isn't based solely on the leak- but also the cuts already being made.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-ukraine-military-aid-2026/a-69984998
The rest is just fear mongering that they MAY cut aid. Just like here when all the politicians whined about Ukraine aid being the most important thing since oxygen. But, there was nothing in that that stated they are GOING to cut aid, just speculation and hissy fits.
I disagree with your framing but we both recognize nothing is decided yet.
From where I sit, last month German govt approved a budget that would cut Uke aid in half. That, plus this funding change, is a much different song than "as much for as long as it takes," which was their old stance.
I don't think its wrong to recognize the change in their tune.
This is the article I recalled from last month: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kr91zqp0lo
Ag with kids said:They said the other half will come from the frozen Russian assets. They did not say they were cutting the amount of aid - just changing how it is paid for. Budget games happen all the time.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:That is just saying that Germany is going to fund Ukraine a different way, but that they are STILL going to fund them.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
I agree with everything here. Which is why my assertion isn't based solely on the leak- but also the cuts already being made.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-ukraine-military-aid-2026/a-69984998
The rest is just fear mongering that they MAY cut aid. Just like here when all the politicians whined about Ukraine aid being the most important thing since oxygen. But, there was nothing in that that stated they are GOING to cut aid, just speculation and hissy fits.
I disagree with your framing but we both recognize nothing is decided yet.
From where I sit, last month German govt approved a budget that would cut Uke aid in half. That, plus this funding change, is a much different song than "as much for as long as it takes," which was their old stance.
I don't think its wrong to recognize the change in their tune.
This is the article I recalled from last month: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kr91zqp0lo
Or was that 300 billion? And wasn't that already agreed to? Why yes, it sure looks like it was, and has been trumpeted as such for months on end. I highly doubt the Germans have a fresh supply of Russian profitable assets/income from which to garner a new 4 billion Euro's a year from.Teslag said:
The Europeans have 200 billion in frozen Russian reserves they have earmarked for forfeiture for Ukraine aid.
Teslag said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
Bookmarked.
You did this before when you kept asking for updates on the aid package... until it was approved as promised. The defense industry always gets what it wants.
nortex97 said:Or was that 300 billion? And wasn't that already agreed to? Why yes, it sure looks like it was, and has been trumpeted as such for months on end. I highly doubt the Germans have a fresh supply of Russian profitable assets/income from which to garner a new 4 billion Euro's a year from.Teslag said:
The Europeans have 200 billion in frozen Russian reserves they have earmarked for forfeiture for Ukraine aid.
This sounds like a Soros accounting scheme, imho.
OPAG said:Teslag said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
Bookmarked.
You did this before when you kept asking for updates on the aid package... until it was approved as promised. The defense industry always gets what it wants.
In a few just post above this, you said "Germany will fund whatever we tell them to fund,"
It is good to hear you confirm whom you are really with and for in this conflict. the MID, Basically part of the NWO, the cabal, and such. The same ones who just want war for their own profit and power.
And at 4% interest...that's $8billion...Teslag said:
The Europeans have 200 billion in frozen Russian reserves they have earmarked for forfeiture for Ukraine aid.
Yes. See my math above.nortex97 said:
Do you really think the German government has enough impounded Russian assets such that half of their 2023 charity to Kiev can be made up from the interest on those assets? That seems…unlikely, to me. I think they claim eight billion euros this year.
Where is there documentation as to a change in 'previous plans?' That would seem to me, to be a 'big deal.' Especially as the Germans appear to be negotiating to re-open the use of at least one of the Nordstream 2 pipelines.Teslag said:Previous plans were to use yearly interest to buy arms. Germans are proposing to just flat seize the whole amounts and use it directly.nortex97 said:Or was that 300 billion? And wasn't that already agreed to? Why yes, it sure looks like it was, and has been trumpeted as such for months on end. I highly doubt the Germans have a fresh supply of Russian profitable assets/income from which to garner a new 4 billion Euro's a year from.Teslag said:
The Europeans have 200 billion in frozen Russian reserves they have earmarked for forfeiture for Ukraine aid.
This sounds like a Soros accounting scheme, imho.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Wait a minute. Now we've got 2 folks claiming 2 different things, so which is it?
Is the plan to seize the assets or use the capital gains?
I cannot keep your stories straight.
That is the amount cut from the budget...they point out later in the same article that the cut amount will be made up with the Russian funds...PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:They said the other half will come from the frozen Russian assets. They did not say they were cutting the amount of aid - just changing how it is paid for. Budget games happen all the time.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:That is just saying that Germany is going to fund Ukraine a different way, but that they are STILL going to fund them.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Depends.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:A government spokesperson != one random member of the governmentPlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
And re-affirmed just yesterday...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/20/germany-affirms-ukraine-military-aid-amid-budget-maneuvering/Quote:
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, government spokesperson Wolfgang Bchner countered journalists' questions on the FAZ reporting, saying that "absolutely nothing will change in our commitment and decisiveness in supporting Ukraine." Suggesting otherwise would be "almost defamatory," he said.
Now you are what you just accused me of doing. "This is like MTG"
As I said, its bookmarked. No need to get into it. Just don't call me a liar when I pull actual receipts in a few months.
The guy in the quote is giving the official government position...
Sure, but its willful ignorance to ignore what is being said in private about future plans. Do you disagree with that statement?
But, there are plenty of members of every political party in every country that say things in private that have nothing to do with how the government will actually act.
There are members of the GOP that want no money to go to Ukraine. It's good to listen so that you understand that faction of the party.
But, the OFFICIAL party position is that money will go to Ukraine. Knowing what those others think changes nothing about the actual outcome.
I agree with everything here. Which is why my assertion isn't based solely on the leak- but also the cuts already being made.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-ukraine-military-aid-2026/a-69984998
The rest is just fear mongering that they MAY cut aid. Just like here when all the politicians whined about Ukraine aid being the most important thing since oxygen. But, there was nothing in that that stated they are GOING to cut aid, just speculation and hissy fits.
I disagree with your framing but we both recognize nothing is decided yet.
From where I sit, last month German govt approved a budget that would cut Uke aid in half. That, plus this funding change, is a much different song than "as much for as long as it takes," which was their old stance.
I don't think its wrong to recognize the change in their tune.
This is the article I recalled from last month: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kr91zqp0lo
From the BBC article I linked:
"The planned aid cut comes amid fears in Ukraine and among its European allies that US funds could be slashed or even stopped if Donald Trump wins the presidency in November's election."
If the aid wasn't being cut as you asserted, then they would use the gains from seized assets to increase their total expenditure on aid.
Creative accounting is not changing the reality: Germany can't afford it.
Teslag said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
Wait a minute. Now we've got 2 folks claiming 2 different things, so which is it?
Is the plan to seize the assets or use the capital gains?
I cannot keep your stories straight.
Check the article dates. Original plan European countries wanted to simply use the interest on frozen accounts to fund aid. What the Germans are advocating for now is to start drawing down on the frozen accounts to supply aid instead of using federal German funds.
