The only way we have troops in Ukraine is if Ukraine is in NATO. And if that happens we have permanent peace there.

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So the quoted transcript in the tweet isn't accurate?

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It's one purposely misleading piece of a larger quote. We aren't sending troops to Europe unless Russia is dumb enough to attack a NATO country. Sacks is full of **** as usual.

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Sacks posted source material. You didn't…

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If he's pulling his misleading screenshot from this article, it's literally the next paragraph. So strange that he didn't include the context showing Jeffries wasn't talking about sending troops to Ukraine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/democrat-leader-jeffries-pro-putin-faction-in-gop-delayed-ukraine-aid-60-minutes/

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Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine.


"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said.

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Long way away from "no ability to mount an offensive"

You've made my point masterfully. Thank you.

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Weird, you gave up on that "source material" troll pretty quickly.

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Asking for you to source your claims is not trolling. Especially when your sources prove my point. Like I said, genuinely: thank you.

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My point was that Sacks was full of **** (as usual) and was posting purposely misleading clickbait. Not really sure what else you're talking about.

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I think you’re reading too much into that. He’s saying that if 🇺🇦 falls, then 🇺🇸 may become involved: not 🇺🇸 involved to prevent 🇺🇦 from falling. 🇷🇺 will likely push into NATO if it wins in 🇺🇦. That’s why 🇺🇦 aid is vital: to prevent 🇷🇺 from conquering 🇺🇦. #SlavaUkraïni

— Joe the Independent (@joe4senate2024) May 6, 2024

Trying to demonstrate how far we have came from the old Ukrainian talking points of no ability to mount an offensive. And Jefferies is absolutely is saying we have to be ready if they need us.

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Do you think we shouldn't be ready if Putin tries to invade a NATO country?

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It is rather disingenuous to pretend that was my implication.

But its worth noting we would be significantly more ready today if we had not been sending billions over there for a couple years now.

If we put boots on the ground for a 3rd time in Europe, we better be there to conquer it all.

Clearly they're incapable.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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So the quoted transcript in the tweet isn't accurate?

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It's one purposely misleading piece of a larger quote. We aren't sending troops to Europe unless Russia is dumb enough to attack a NATO country. Sacks is full of **** as usual.

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Sacks posted source material. You didn't…

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If he's pulling his misleading screenshot from this article, it's literally the next paragraph. So strange that he didn't include the context showing Jeffries wasn't talking about sending troops to Ukraine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/democrat-leader-jeffries-pro-putin-faction-in-gop-delayed-ukraine-aid-60-minutes/

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Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine.


"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said.

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Long way away from "no ability to mount an offensive"

You've made my point masterfully. Thank you.

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Weird, you gave up on that "source material" troll pretty quickly.

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Asking for you to source your claims is not trolling. Especially when your sources prove my point. Like I said, genuinely: thank you.

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My point was that Sacks was full of **** (as usual) and was posting purposely misleading clickbait. Not really sure what else you're talking about.

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I think you’re reading too much into that. He’s saying that if 🇺🇦 falls, then 🇺🇸 may become involved: not 🇺🇸 involved to prevent 🇺🇦 from falling. 🇷🇺 will likely push into NATO if it wins in 🇺🇦. That’s why 🇺🇦 aid is vital: to prevent 🇷🇺 from conquering 🇺🇦. #SlavaUkraïni

— Joe the Independent (@joe4senate2024) May 6, 2024

Trying to demonstrate how far we have came from the old Ukrainian talking points of no ability to mount an offensive. And Jefferies is absolutely is saying we have to be ready if they need us.

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Do you think we shouldn't be ready if Putin tries to invade a NATO country?

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It is rather disingenuous to pretend that was my implication.

But its worthing we would be significantly more ready today if we had not been sending billions over there for a couple years now.

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That's why I asked the question. Glad you agree with Jeffries that we should be ready if Putin decides to invade a NATO country.

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The only way we have troops in Ukraine is if Ukraine is in NATO. And if that happens we have permanent peace there.

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Permanent peace, now that's funny.

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The only way we have troops in Ukraine is if Ukraine is in NATO. And if that happens we have permanent peace there.

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Permanent peace, now that's funny.

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Name the last time a NATO country was attacked and invaded by a near peer adversary.

The US decision makers have to decide what the end-state is for Ukraine. These are the Courses of Action (COA):

- COA1 Give up on Ukraine.
- COA2 Status Quo. Ukraine will lose a war of attrition.
- COA3 Incrementally give them more offensive weapons. It will still be a war of attrition.
- COA4 Give them the offensive weapons to win the war. I don't see the requisite training on those weapons systems unless they are done in secrecy.

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The US decision makers have to decide what the end-state is for Ukraine. These are the Courses of Action (COA):

- COA1 Give up on Ukraine.
- COA2 Status Quo. Ukraine will lose a war of attrition.
- COA3 Incrementally give them more offensive weapons. It will still be a war of attrition.
- COA4 Give them the offensive weapons to win the war.

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Define "win". Because short of US/NATO boots on the ground, they are not getting back all the ground they have lost.

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The US decision makers have to decide what the end-state is for Ukraine. These are the Courses of Action (COA):

- COA1 Give up on Ukraine.
- COA2 Status Quo. Ukraine will lose a war of attrition.
- COA3 Incrementally give them more offensive weapons. It will still be a war of attrition.
- COA4 Give them the offensive weapons to win the war.

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Define "win". Because short of US/NATO boots on the ground, they are not getting back all the ground they have lost.

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It depends on the weapons systems we give to Ukraine. The Russians are terrible at maneuver warfare. we give sufficient offensive weapons like fighters, CAS, attack helicopters, then the outcome can be wide open. That is what Ukraine needs, but I don't have confidence this will happen.

Ukraine is not getting lost lands back and Russia won't make anymore gains worth anything. We will give Ukraine whatever they need to defend what they have. Russia doesn't have the men or equipment to keep up with that.

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So the quoted transcript in the tweet isn't accurate?

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It's one purposely misleading piece of a larger quote. We aren't sending troops to Europe unless Russia is dumb enough to attack a NATO country. Sacks is full of **** as usual.

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Sacks posted source material. You didn't…

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If he's pulling his misleading screenshot from this article, it's literally the next paragraph. So strange that he didn't include the context showing Jeffries wasn't talking about sending troops to Ukraine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/democrat-leader-jeffries-pro-putin-faction-in-gop-delayed-ukraine-aid-60-minutes/

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Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine.


"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said.

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Long way away from "no ability to mount an offensive"

You've made my point masterfully. Thank you.

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Weird, you gave up on that "source material" troll pretty quickly.

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Asking for you to source your claims is not trolling. Especially when your sources prove my point. Like I said, genuinely: thank you.

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My point was that Sacks was full of **** (as usual) and was posting purposely misleading clickbait. Not really sure what else you're talking about.

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I think you’re reading too much into that. He’s saying that if 🇺🇦 falls, then 🇺🇸 may become involved: not 🇺🇸 involved to prevent 🇺🇦 from falling. 🇷🇺 will likely push into NATO if it wins in 🇺🇦. That’s why 🇺🇦 aid is vital: to prevent 🇷🇺 from conquering 🇺🇦. #SlavaUkraïni

— Joe the Independent (@joe4senate2024) May 6, 2024

Trying to demonstrate how far we have came from the old Ukrainian talking points of no ability to mount an offensive. And Jefferies is absolutely is saying we have to be ready if they need us.

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Biden wins 2024 election, troops will be in Ukraine before Christmas.

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No we wouldn't even if that idiot wins.

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If we put boots on the ground for a 3rd time in Europe, we better be there to conquer it all.

Clearly they're incapable.

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We have boots on the ground ALL OVER Europe.

Which is the point - where we have boots, Russia is prevented from going.

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Ukraine is not getting lost lands back and Russia won't make anymore gains with anything. We will give Ukraine whatever they need to defend what they have. Russia doesn't have the men or equipment to keep up with that.

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So we don't need to be ready Putin to invade NATO?

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If we put boots on the ground for a 3rd time in Europe, we better be there to conquer it all.

Clearly they're incapable.

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We have boots on the ground ALL OVER Europe.

Which is the point - where we have boots, Russia is prevented from going.

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Exactly. Putin flips out over NATO because he knows that once a country joins NATO that piece is permanently off the board.

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Ukraine is not getting lost lands back and Russia won't make anymore gains with anything. We will give Ukraine whatever they need to defend what they have. Russia doesn't have the men or equipment to keep up with that.

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So we don't need to be ready Putin to invade NATO?

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Not if we give Ukraine what they need.

Which was the point of the interview.

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If we put boots on the ground for a 3rd time in Europe, we better be there to conquer it all.

Clearly they're incapable.

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We have boots on the ground ALL OVER Europe.

Which is the point - where we have boots, Russia is prevented from going.

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Exactly. Putin flips out over NATO because he knows that once a country joins NATO that piece is permanently off the board.

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Putin is using the Nuke Card because he knows if the US and NATO enters the war, the Russians will get their ass kicked fast and violently. The US is superb at conventional warfare and will show what maneuver warfare looks like with Attack Helicopters, A-10, CAS, Bombers, and Armor. They will fold like the Iraqis folded in Desert Storm.

The Russian soldiers are not well trained and maneuver warfare is too complex for them. Their centralized system for command and control is inefficient and slow. The US military has decentralized decision making to a great degree. Small units have the flexibility to change things up based on battlefield conditions and if it meets mission accomplishment and commander's intent.

The nuke chatter is just that, and also an attempt to deter nato boots on the ground pending a collapse. Drills around those forces make sense, I'm sure we have our own training exercises for ours too, though it's nice we don't advertise/propagandize around that too much.

The real issue thru the end of the war will remain Ukrainian manpower.

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— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) May 7, 2024

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— Victor vicktop55 (@vicktop55) May 7, 2024

And make no mistake, the real house speaker wants this to happen asap after the election;

Hakeem Jeffries joins the Macron caucus by suggesting that American troops may need to fight in Ukraine. No matter how many times they repeat this idea, we cannot let it become normalized. It would be World War 3. pic.twitter.com/1XQ8H27pVh

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) May 6, 2024

At least some Nato members don't want to repatriate/extradite Ukrainians to be sent to their death.
Russian forces continue to grind forward:

Rybar Live: Special military operation, May 4-5
Mikhail Zvinchuk, head of the Russian think tank Rybar: «About 70% of the village of Georgievka has been cleared. The Russian army controls the Great Patriotic War memorial, the House of Culture, and the territory of the former… pic.twitter.com/UwGQJUUwrJ

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) May 6, 2024

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And make no mistake, the real house speaker wants this to happen asap after the election;_

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Already addressed last night. Sacks completely lied about Jeffries's interview and purposely left out the rest of the context.

A more complete daily summary. 15 ATACMS shot down is a big deal, if true, which it likely is.





The war parties and the November election is a very good discussion. A fairly despondent Newsweek outlook on the war.

Another good series for those with a few minutes;

The list of rich and powerful people profiting off the war in Ukraine includes President Biden and his son, but they're far from the only ones...

The cult of Zelenskyy spans Hollywood, the political class, and the mainstream media. But do they really believe in him, or is he… pic.twitter.com/6uWsNd30b1

— Truth In Media (@Truth_InMedia) May 2, 2024

Why do you believe it's "likely" 15 atacms have been shot down? It was purely a claim by the Russian ministry of defense, while offering zero evidence. It's an absurd claim, even for Russia.

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Why do you believe it's "likely" 15 atacms have been shot down? It was purely a claim by the Russian ministry of defense, while offering zero evidence. It's an absurd claim, even for Russia.

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Then show us what they hit.

The conscription continues

🚨🇺🇦 Odessa, Ukraine

More Democratic military conscription happening in Ukraine as men are rounded up to go & meet their inevitable death on the front lines.

Every time a Western Politician states to “protect Democracy” this is the Democracy they’re referring too. pic.twitter.com/m3nr4jGeQ6

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

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The conscription continues

🚨🇺🇦 Odessa, Ukraine

More Democratic military conscription happening in Ukraine as men are rounded up to go & meet their inevitable death on the front lines.

Every time a Western Politician states to “protect Democracy” this is the Democracy they’re referring too. pic.twitter.com/m3nr4jGeQ6

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

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This is who you are quoting btw. Airtight sourcing as usual.

Are you detoxing from heavy metals?

If you aren’t you probably should be.

If you are what do you use?

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

Did you know America started modifying the Weather way back in 1915?

Yes that’s 109 years ago‼️‼️

Just imagine how The Weather can be manipulated now given all the advancements in technology & funding invested into such practices.

Truth is stranger than fiction. pic.twitter.com/mmz4aIGLBq

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 6, 2024

A Russian perspective supporting my position that the A-50/A-100 is basically irrelevant, and they probably won't be produced/used much, further. It doesn't work real well, it's vulnerable, and doesn't really have a future.

They are apparently mostly parked without engines.

There are 4x A-50 in plowed areas with engines and 1x in an unplowed area with engines. So, to summarize:
4x A-50 active in plowed areas with engines
1x A-50 in unplowed area with engines
7x A-50 not operational with no engines
4/ pic.twitter.com/F5JvWWWBZ8

— MT Anderson (@MT_Anderson) March 1, 2024

I doubt the Russians are training further crews.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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The conscription continues

🚨🇺🇦 Odessa, Ukraine

More Democratic military conscription happening in Ukraine as men are rounded up to go & meet their inevitable death on the front lines.

Every time a Western Politician states to “protect Democracy” this is the Democracy they’re referring too. pic.twitter.com/m3nr4jGeQ6

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

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This is who you are quoting btw. Airtight sourcing as usual.

Are you detoxing from heavy metals?

If you aren’t you probably should be.

If you are what do you use?

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

Did you know America started modifying the Weather way back in 1915?

Yes that’s 109 years ago‼️‼️

Just imagine how The Weather can be manipulated now given all the advancements in technology & funding invested into such practices.

Truth is stranger than fiction. pic.twitter.com/mmz4aIGLBq

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 6, 2024

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If this is your best rebuttal, I'd agree its pretty air tight.

Its obvious to everyone you're grasping at straws because you can't dispute the video. Ukraine continues to shrink.

Would the engines be removed for use on another air frame?

Sure. They are common to the IL-76 and while newer versions were used for the A-50 in particular, jet engines have various bits/seals etc. that benefit from being run from time to time, sort of like a car engine. Removing engines entirely is indicative of the planes being put into a low-readiness mothballed state, imho.

Some inaccuracy in that article as the Russians have a huge fleet of IL-76 parked/in various readiness (no need to ramp up new-build production), but the best engines will be used quite a bit. The Russians are obviously relying on space-based surveillance platforms for targeting etc. this year.

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The conscription continues

🚨🇺🇦 Odessa, Ukraine

More Democratic military conscription happening in Ukraine as men are rounded up to go & meet their inevitable death on the front lines.

Every time a Western Politician states to “protect Democracy” this is the Democracy they’re referring too. pic.twitter.com/m3nr4jGeQ6

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

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This is who you are quoting btw. Airtight sourcing as usual.

Are you detoxing from heavy metals?

If you aren’t you probably should be.

If you are what do you use?

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

Did you know America started modifying the Weather way back in 1915?

Yes that’s 109 years ago‼️‼️

Just imagine how The Weather can be manipulated now given all the advancements in technology & funding invested into such practices.

Truth is stranger than fiction. pic.twitter.com/mmz4aIGLBq

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 6, 2024

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If this is your best rebuttal, I'd agree its pretty air tight.

Its obvious to everyone you're grasping at straws because you can't dispute the video. Ukraine continues to shrink.

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Personally I would like to have a little more credible sources than someone who thinks the weather is being controlled by some global cabal. YMMV though, apparently.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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The conscription continues

🚨🇺🇦 Odessa, Ukraine

More Democratic military conscription happening in Ukraine as men are rounded up to go & meet their inevitable death on the front lines.

Every time a Western Politician states to “protect Democracy” this is the Democracy they’re referring too. pic.twitter.com/m3nr4jGeQ6

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

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This is who you are quoting btw. Airtight sourcing as usual.

Are you detoxing from heavy metals?

If you aren’t you probably should be.

If you are what do you use?

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 7, 2024

Did you know America started modifying the Weather way back in 1915?

Yes that’s 109 years ago‼️‼️

Just imagine how The Weather can be manipulated now given all the advancements in technology & funding invested into such practices.

Truth is stranger than fiction. pic.twitter.com/mmz4aIGLBq

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) May 6, 2024

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If this is your best rebuttal, I'd agree its pretty air tight.

Its obvious to everyone you're grasping at straws because you can't dispute the video. Ukraine continues to shrink.

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Personally I would like to have a little more credible sources than someone who thinks the weather is being controlled by some global cabal. YMMV though, apparently.

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You accuse me of saying the thing you posted. Total clown.

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The forced Ukrainian conscription videos are always fun when you read the comments. Almost every single time it's some old video, from various places around the world, showing something completely different. I remember one of them was a guy "jumping from his balcony to avoid conscription". Turns out it was a guy that had just murdered someone in south america and was trying to escape police.

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Its pretty gross to find humans forced into sacrifice on the front line "fun"

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US soldier stationed in Korea gets honeypotted; travels to Vladivostok; gets thrown in Russian jail.

The Beau Bergdal of Russian split-tail.

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Why do you believe it's "likely" 15 atacms have been shot down? It was purely a claim by the Russian ministry of defense, while offering zero evidence. It's an absurd claim, even for Russia.

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Then show us what they hit.

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Show us that they were fired, first.