Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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It has been said that most of what comes out of Ukraine is propaganda. One must speculate on how many other "dead russians" are actually back home getting a pump in.
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Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.
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B-1 83 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.


This shorter term strategic thinking might be the reason Ukraine has gotten smaller.
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Ag with kids said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Teslag said:

Teslag said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/21/house-approves-61bn-aid-for-ukraine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next


Once senate approves this aid will be in Ukraine within days. And of course the article quotes the gnashing of teeth and tantrums by the Russians. With good reason. They know what's coming.

In the next few weeks you'll begin to see the usual Russian state supported media types begin the "this aid won't matter" narrative in a heeping helping of copiium. Just wait.

Called it.
The money wont matter. Kick backs to the politicians, kick backs to the defense contractors, Zelenskyy's new car and apartment. Plus the 10% to the big guy. Mean while Russia is selling oil to Iran, who's selling it to Saudi Arabia, who's selling it to us. At least I saved 15% by switching to GEICO.
What are these "kick backs to defense contractors"? Please explain in detail.
Lockheed, General Dynamics and RTX the 3 big defense contractors helping Ukraine. Stock prices moved up before and after congress voted on the aid package to Ukraine. Can't tell me those CEO's and politicians made a fortune when the vote went through. Not complaining, I've got some investments in Lockheed and General Dynamics. Made a few pennies with the aid package vote.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.


This shorter term strategic thinking might be the reason Ukraine has gotten smaller.
That "strategic thinking" may also be why Russia has been through 47 commanders and still hasn't taken over a country in two years that folks said would take two months.
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B-1 83 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.


This shorter term strategic thinking might be the reason Ukraine has gotten smaller.
That "strategic thinking" may also be why Russia has been through 47 commanders and still hasn't taken over a country in two years that folks said would take two months.


If this war goes long, commentary like this will be mocked as spiking the ball after the opening kickoff return.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.


This shorter term strategic thinking might be the reason Ukraine has gotten smaller.
That "strategic thinking" may also be why Russia has been through 47 commanders and still hasn't taken over a country in two years that folks said would take two months.


If this war goes long, commentary like this will be mocked as spiking the ball after the opening kickoff return.
And we've been hearing this for two plus years. This isn't 1941.
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B-1 83 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

B-1 83 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

And yet the bulk of Russians Army is still sitting on the sideline. You would think with almost 100 billion sent to Ukraine. Those people would find away to defeat Russia. Or at least bribe Russia to leave the area.
With such a bulk on the sideline, one would that that genius strategist Putin would have sent it a long time ago and overwhelmed the hapless Ukes.


This shorter term strategic thinking might be the reason Ukraine has gotten smaller.
That "strategic thinking" may also be why Russia has been through 47 commanders and still hasn't taken over a country in two years that folks said would take two months.


If this war goes long, commentary like this will be mocked as spiking the ball after the opening kickoff return.
And we've been hearing this for two plus years. This isn't 1941.


We definitely agree on that. I'd say we're in the looting stage of the fall of Rome.
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So how does the money get to Ukraine? Is it wired? Is it sent in $20s?
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General Jack D. Ripper said:

So how does the money get to Ukraine? Is it wired? Is it sent in $20s?


Careful now. They impeached the last guy who started asking questions.
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Cash App, Google pay, PayPal, Venmo, Western Union, Zelle, Walmart 2 Walmart if Ukraine has any,
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General Jack D. Ripper said:

So how does the money get to Ukraine? Is it wired? Is it sent in $20s?


Some od the weapons and equipment are already staged in Europe and ready to roll once Biden signs
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

It has been said that most of what comes out of Ukraine is propaganda. One must speculate on how many other "dead russians" are actually back home getting a pump in.



Here's another tweet that he has pinned...

Looks like ANOTHER Russian came back to life
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Psycho Bunny said:

Ag with kids said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Teslag said:

Teslag said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/21/house-approves-61bn-aid-for-ukraine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next


Once senate approves this aid will be in Ukraine within days. And of course the article quotes the gnashing of teeth and tantrums by the Russians. With good reason. They know what's coming.

In the next few weeks you'll begin to see the usual Russian state supported media types begin the "this aid won't matter" narrative in a heeping helping of copiium. Just wait.

Called it.
The money wont matter. Kick backs to the politicians, kick backs to the defense contractors, Zelenskyy's new car and apartment. Plus the 10% to the big guy. Mean while Russia is selling oil to Iran, who's selling it to Saudi Arabia, who's selling it to us. At least I saved 15% by switching to GEICO.
What are these "kick backs to defense contractors"? Please explain in detail.
Lockheed, General Dynamics and RTX the 3 big defense contractors helping Ukraine. Stock prices moved up before and after congress voted on the aid package to Ukraine. Can't tell me those CEO's and politicians made a fortune when the vote went through. Not complaining, I've got some investments in Lockheed and General Dynamics. Made a few pennies with the aid package vote.
Those aren't kickbacks.

Have you ever worked with or for a defense contractor? Or really have any idea how they work?
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Teslag said:

General Jack D. Ripper said:

So how does the money get to Ukraine? Is it wired? Is it sent in $20s?


Some od the weapons and equipment are already staged in Europe and ready to roll once Biden signs

Forget it. He's rolling...
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Long update today focused on missiles. Meh, not really my thing. The Russians have a lot of missiles/bombs.





More rumors of advances and desertions;





I am not gonna dig thru all the overnight posts but yes, war is big business, and defense is a coveted committee on both sides of congress.

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Kiev fascists really unhappy that the internet exists and some people are anonymous on it;

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Telegram poses a "huge problem" for Ukraine and must be legally forced to do away with anonymous channels, Kiev's top spy Kirill Budanov said in an interview with British state broadcaster BBC published on Monday.

The intelligence chief believes that the Russian-made platform, which was ranked the most popular messaging app in Ukraine in 2023 according to SimilarWeb, has now effectively acquired that status of media and insisted that it is "abnormal" that the owners of channels are allowed to conceal their identities.
"We should streamline it all put things in order, at least legally force everyone to register so that it is clear who belongs to which media," Budanov said, suggesting that people should bear responsibility for the opinions they express.

Asked if simply blocking certain Telegram channels would fix the problem, Budanov claimed that such a move would only be a temporary solution, and insisted that only forcing channel owners to register would prove effective.
We just need to 'temporarily' eliminate your privacy.
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The proxy war's real sponsors/interests are China and the US.



Meanwhile, as we release more of the strategic petroleum reserve (at it's lowest level since the early 80's) our good pals the Ukrainians are continuing to work to spike oil prices globally using weapons/money we send them;

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Don Surber has a somewhat humorous take on the 'aid' bill. "Winnie the Pooh is better armed than Europe"

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Over the weekend, Republicans and Democrats in Congress alike borrowed another $60 billion $60,000,000,000 to give to Ukraine, a nation known for pretty women and large bribes to the spawn of Biden, Pelosi and other DC scum. Then the Democrats all waved Ukraine flags and patted themselves on the ass for saving democracy and defense contractors.

Mark Tapscott wrote, "There is only one Member of the House of Representatives who was born in Ukraine, Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-Ind.). She voted against that $95 billion foreign aid package approved by the lower chamber over the weekend."

Earlier she said, "If we don't have proper oversight, we are not going to achieve our goals. We cannot have these never-ending wars."

But as the leader of this pack of rats in Washington, Obama, said, "Yes we can."

And yes they are. Vietnam is their model and they have modified it to the point where their defense contractor buddies can sell war materiel to the USA for a war without sending soldiers with them.

It works out well because no Americans are drafted or harmed, the missile merchants are paid, the politicians kids (stepkid in John Kerry's case) collect the kickbacks, and everyone gets to pose with Mister Greenshirt for their re-election ads. For just $10,000 more, he'll throw in air raid sirens when he strolls with you from the president's house on Hrushevsky Street.

The downside is Russia is winning the war and the Poles are stuck with millions of Ukrainians many of them draft resistors who do not want to die for their LBJ, Zelensky. Imagine that.
The funny/true/sad part;
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But Europe has found a way to have to make Russia a serious threat. First, Europe opened its gates and let millions of military-age Muslims in to feast on their welfare programs. They raped German women on New Year's Eve 2015. Instead of outrage, Germans accepted it and denounced Trump for even mentioning it.

DW later complained, "During his US presidential election campaign, Donald Trump portrayed the attacks as a cautionary tale from a misguided refugee policy. Trump used them unscrupulously in his anti-immigration polemics.

"In Germany itself, the long-running debate about migration policy and how to live together in a pluralistic society flared up. Citizens who until then had no concerns felt a newfound need for security. Sales of alarm pistols, pepper spray, and tear gas soared to record levels."

Alarm pistols? Those are blank guns. Firing one does nothing but make you a fair target for retaliation.
Trump warned them that the USA will not always be there for them.

Biden stuffed the ballot boxes with fraudulent mail-in ballots and took the presidency, much to the relief of the Eurocrats pushing the pencils in Brussels. When Putin looked into Biden's eyes, he saw an opportunity to annex Donbas in Ukraine by force.

NATO leaders and Congress rallied 'round the blue and yellow flag. The farce was with them. They gave Zelenskyy everything he wanted, including an extra and unnecessary Y at the end of his name. The proxy war encouraging Ukraine to fight Russia for us strengthened Putin because his generals now have combat experience while NATO's generals are still doormen with shiny medals.

CNBC reported last year, "Russia's military has been widely discredited and disparaged by the Western media since the start of its invasion of Ukraine, seen to have bungled the early phase of the war after suffering a series of setbacks and retreats.

"But defense analysts at a top London-based military think tank have investigated Russia's tactical adaptations during the war and have noted that a more structured, coordinated and reactive armed force has emerged and one that's particularly strong on the defensive.

"As such, Russia's military now represents a much more formidable opponent for Ukraine as it prepares to launch a much-anticipated counteroffensive to reclaim occupied territory."

NATO has awoken a sleeping midget by adding Ukraine as a member in everything but name. This is an alligator mouth, bumblebee ass move because NATO cannot fight a foreign war when it is under attack by the Muslim World from within. The squawking by NATO leaders likely is to get their kids' cuts of the action.
What a war.
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Weird, I thought the Kiev Champions would be posting more of late with the tide-turning 'aid' having had a few days to get there and stack bodies etc. I guess not. Some American Ukraine group is trying to get the FCC to force Musk/X to do more for Saint Zelensky;







About right:



Sitrep; come down from the 'aid' high. 100K deserters on top of the refugees?


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This is utterly shocking because they are talking about actual deserters who were already fighting on the front or in military unitsnot men who fled the country to avoid service; those, as we all know, already number in potentially the millions. For instance, this headline from the start of the SMO in 2022 states 500k had already fled:

No, this is much worse. These are actual deserters from the already-thinning frontline, which is said to have a measly ~250-300k men or less. As such it represents a catastrophic morale. It's another wake up call to those who actually believe Kiev's casualty numbers. Tens of thousands of confirmed POWs, 100k deserters, but only 30k killed?

Listen to Zelensky lie out of every orifice below. Not only does he lie about mobilization being for replacing brigades but also that it's merely about getting younger soldiers to operate drones, since they're 'better with technology'. We now know the mobilization bill in fact eschewed the 'demobilization' clause, so yes, the new men are to replace brigades but not in the way he implies, i.e. not to rotate them out, but to replace destroyed/deceased ones:
Big shocker on the F-16's not turning the tide;



Slava war, comrades!
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Do you honestly expect us to believe most of the stuff you post? I am quite sure the Ukrainians can master how to fly an F-16. Will it turn the tide? I don't know but it's one more thing Russia will have to deal with.
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docb said:

Do you honestly expect us to believe most of the stuff you post? I am quite sure the Ukrainians can master how to fly an F-16. Will it turn the tide? I don't know but it's one more thing Russia will have to deal with.
Sincerely I don't really care what you believe, but LeMond has an article about the poor training status of the 10 Ukrainian trainees. I post some opinions of my own of course, but mainly hope that folks do their own research to make their minds up about the veracity of information shared.
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However, pilot training in Europe is less advanced, with only 10 Ukrainians currently undergoing training on European soil. After six months in the UK, where they learned the basics of combat aviation in English, four of them arrived in France in early March for what is known as the "advanced fighter" phase, during which they will be introduced to the various tactics used on Western fighters such as air-to-ground bombing and air defense tactics. The six other Ukrainian pilots still overseas are expected in France in the coming weeks.

Scheduled to last around six months, this phase will take place at an air base in southwest France, the precise location of which is being kept confidential for security reasons. The French training program for Ukrainian pilots includes approximately 50 simulator sessions and 80 flying hours on the Alpha Jet, a Franco-German twin-engine aircraft.

According to a military source, the 10 Ukrainian pilots training in Europe are relatively inexperienced, which explains the length of their training journey. Their average age is between 21 and 23, and six of them had never sat in a combat aircraft before arriving in the UK. The other four had only flown Aero L-39s in Ukraine, a Czech trainer widely used in former Warsaw Pact countries. This youth and inexperience can be explained by the shortage of pilots in Ukraine, many of whom have been killed or injured since the start of the conflict.
The claims these planes will make a big impact this summer/year, let alone be used in air to ground roles, seem ludicrous to me.
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Long time lurker, first time poster on this thread. Thanks for all the updates.
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nortex97 said:

docb said:

Do you honestly expect us to believe most of the stuff you post? I am quite sure the Ukrainians can master how to fly an F-16. Will it turn the tide? I don't know but it's one more thing Russia will have to deal with.
Sincerely I don't really care what you believe, but LeMond has an article about the poor training status of the 10 Ukrainian trainees. I post some opinions of my own of course, but mainly hope that folks do their own research to make their minds up about the veracity of information shared.
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However, pilot training in Europe is less advanced, with only 10 Ukrainians currently undergoing training on European soil. After six months in the UK, where they learned the basics of combat aviation in English, four of them arrived in France in early March for what is known as the "advanced fighter" phase, during which they will be introduced to the various tactics used on Western fighters such as air-to-ground bombing and air defense tactics. The six other Ukrainian pilots still overseas are expected in France in the coming weeks.

Scheduled to last around six months, this phase will take place at an air base in southwest France, the precise location of which is being kept confidential for security reasons. The French training program for Ukrainian pilots includes approximately 50 simulator sessions and 80 flying hours on the Alpha Jet, a Franco-German twin-engine aircraft.

According to a military source, the 10 Ukrainian pilots training in Europe are relatively inexperienced, which explains the length of their training journey. Their average age is between 21 and 23, and six of them had never sat in a combat aircraft before arriving in the UK. The other four had only flown Aero L-39s in Ukraine, a Czech trainer widely used in former Warsaw Pact countries. This youth and inexperience can be explained by the shortage of pilots in Ukraine, many of whom have been killed or injured since the start of the conflict.
The claims these planes will make a big impact this summer/year, let alone be used in air to ground roles, seem ludicrous to me.


This, again, reminds me of the waning months of WWII in the pacific theater. Japan had run out of experienced pilots so they were throwing newbies into planes and sending them up with minimal training. At the Battle of Saipan, Japan launched their entire fleet at us and literally not a single Japanese plane got past our pilots because they were so inexperienced and flying inferior planes (at that point in war). This air battle ended up being called the Great Turkey Shoot by our guys because they were just picking off Zeros with ease.

This will be same outcome here. A less experienced pilot flying an older version of an older frame going up against a superior force who will likely wipe them out on day one. FTR, I'm not celebrating this. I'm merely pointing out the obvious. Ten pilots flying an F-16 will change nothing.
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Exactly, thx.

And the F-16 matter really is so trivial it's not worth even getting into further. More broadly, the use of this conflict by China is now expanding as they have the Xiden administration in an utterly counter-productive fit of anger (as far as American interests go) threatening the CCP over support/trade with Russia. We have absolutely zero ability to impact this.

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Antony Blinken has landed in China amid a worsening rift between the world's two most powerful countries that threatens to overshadow otherwise improving relations.

The US secretary of state arrives with a warning that the US and its European allies are no longer prepared to tolerate China's sale of weapon components and dual-use products to Russia, which are helping Vladimir Putin rebuild and modernise his arms factories, enabling him to intensify his onslaught on Ukraine.
Pathetic. They literally didn't even roll out a red carpet for him as he got off the plane. Oh, and Germany's PM just got back from ingratiating himself before the CCP leadership about green energy/cars etc. The irony, as Xiden prepares to declare a 'climate emergency' to facilitate another stolen election here.



Last, is Zaluzhny really under some sort of pathetic house arrest in Ukraine? I have no idea, and RT source so it could be totally wrong/propaganda, but it's odd he hasn't been seen in months. I noticed Zelensky also decreed there will be no elections next year either in Ukraine, which is a totalitarian state.

The fight for 'freedom' awaits more young refugees;

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Just another day in the brinksmanship surrounding the Russia:Ukraine war....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13350241/russia-threatens-poland-strike-nato-nukes-primary-target.html
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Russia threatens to strike POLAND: Kremlin says NATO nukes deployed in the country will be a 'primary target' - as Belarus leader warns of 'apocalypse'
  • It comes after Polish President said Warsaw would host Western missiles
By DAVID AVERRE
PUBLISHED: 11:17 EDT, 25 April 2024 | UPDATED: 11:58 EDT, 25 April 2024
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This month marks the 84th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre by the Russians against Polish officers and other members of Polish society. Just under 22,000 Poles were killed by the Russians, under the goal of 25,700 set up by the Russian leaders. Russian Vasily Blokhin seems to be the leader in kills with around 7000 to his name. Even today the Russian government says that these acts aren't a War Crime or Mass Murder.
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The NAFO stuff is disgusting, and most of it is probably a CIA op being used as well against the GOP/DJT here domestically.





Whenever I see blue/yellow stuff on social media I assume it is part of a psyop. After Fauci-flu, these techniques have been further refined/bolstered. No American should give a crap what happens in Ukraine as it's utterly none of our business/not related to American security at all.

We also of course shouldn't ever have been operating bio labs there, but here we are/were.

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Biden, Ciaramella, Burisma, Impeachment 2.0 of Trump, Ukraine all linked:

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In 2019, then-National Intelligence Council analyst Eric Ciaramella touched off a political firestorm when he anonymously accused Trump of linking military aid for Ukraine to a demand for an investigation into alleged Biden corruption in that country.

But four years earlier, while working as a national security analyst attached to then-Vice President Joe Biden's office, Ciaramella was a close adviser when Biden threatened to cut off U.S. aid to Ukraine unless it fired its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Ukraine-based Burisma Holdings. At the time, the corruption-riddled energy giant was paying Biden's son Hunter millions of dollars.

Those payments along with other evidence tying Joe Biden to his family's business dealings received little attention in 2019 as Ciaramella accused Trump of a corrupt quid pro quo. Neither did subsequent evidence indicating that Hunter Biden's associates had identified Shokin as a "key target." These matters are now part of the House impeachment inquiry into President Biden.

"It now seems there was material evidence that would have been used at the impeachment trial [to exonerate Trump]," said George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, who has testified as an expert witness in the ongoing Biden impeachment inquiry. "Trump was alleging there was a conflict of interest with the Bidens, and the evidence could have challenged Biden's account and established his son's interest in the Shokin firing."
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Ciaramella worked under CIA Director John Brennan when President Obama made Biden his point man on Ukraine in 2014, the same year Burisma hired Hunter. The next year, the CIA detailed Ciaramella, a longtime advocate for aid to Ukraine, to the White House, where he worked closely with Biden and his staff as a top adviser on key Ukrainian policies. After Biden left office, he stayed on at the GOP White House until mid-2017 even though he's a Democrat, working as a Ukrainian and Russian analyst on Trump's National Security Council. Co-workers there accused him of trying to sabotage Trump, including allegedly leaking sensitive information to the press.
Maddening how obvious all of these links/connections are, really.
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Ciaramella also worked directly with top Obama and Biden administration diplomats on Ukraine, including senior State Department official Victoria Nuland. "Eric was regularly the clearing authority to get me into the White House for interagency meetings on Ukraine," Nuland revealed in a 2020 Senate deposition. Asked if she ever discussed Ukraine policy and Shokin with Ciaramella, Nuland testified: "Of course, I did. He was part of the interagency process. He was also on my negotiating team for the six, seven rounds of negotiations I did with the Russians on [the disputed Ukraine region] Donbas."

Ciaramella was directly involved in talks concerning the massive U.S. aid package to Ukraine that Biden conditioned on the removal of Shokin, who at the time had seized the assets of the corrupt Burisma oligarch employing Hunter Biden. He also arranged and participated in White House talks with Ukrainian prosecutors visiting from Shokin's office.
Swell job you've done on 'helping' the Ukrainians deal with the Russians all these years, Nuland-Biden-Ciaramella!
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Also in 1940 at this time the Russians were massing troops at the border with Romania. They would demand that Romania turn over the regions of Bessarabia and north Bukovina to them in June, with the threat of a full invasion. The Romanians after finding no support, would give in to the demands. The Russians would go on to kill almost 9000 civilians including one mass grave of 80 priests and students.
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Yes. Russian/Soviet progroms go back a long ways (at least to the tsars, who also were pretty damn anti-Semitic fyi). Some of that led to the flight of jews to the 'new world' as far back as the 19th century.

It's again difficult to simplify the history to find the current 'good' guys, when one side still today largely lionizes Stalin and the other, Stephen Bandera, a nazi progrom leader.
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nortex97 said:

Yes. Russian/Soviet progroms go back a long ways (at least to the tsars, who also were pretty damn anti-Semitic fyi). Some of that led to the flight of jews to the 'new world' as far back as the 19th century.

It's again difficult to simplify the history to find the current 'good' guys, when one side still today largely lionizes Stalin and the other, Stephen Bandera, a nazi progrom leader.

I believe these were Orthodox Christians not Jews.

The post was more of another example of Russians invading and taking land from their neighbors in the not so distant past.
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Blinken's trip to Beijing was yet another unmitigated/humiliating failure;
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Blinken's visit to China ended in failure and US accusations

  • None of the Chinese authorities saw off US Secretary of State Antony Blinken at Beijing airport. Only American Ambassador Burns kept his boss company, Chinese media reported.
  • "NATO bears irreducible responsibility for the Ukrainian crisis. The alliance must reflect on its role, stop blaming others, and take action for a political settlement of the Ukrainian crisis," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin at the end of the US Secretary of State's visit.

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The strike targeted the Krivoy Rog Thermal Power Plant (TPP), Burshtyn TPP, and possibly the Pridneprovsk TPP. Several pumping stations near underground gas storage facilities in western Ukraine and Ukrainian Armed Forces' military facilities near the Starokostiantyniv airfield were also destroyed. In some cases, targets were hit with 4 to 7 missiles.

A total of 32 missiles from air, ground, and sea-based platforms were likely used in the strike:

9 Kh-101/Kh-555 cruise missiles from Tu-95 strategic bombers;
9 guided air-to-surface missiles Kh-59/Kh-69;
2 Iskander-K cruise missiles;
4 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missiles from MiG-31K aircraft;
8 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Black Sea.
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Tucker published an interview with Dugin. Did this thread just die? War's over?

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Not sure
Maybe Nortex taking a few days off.
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