Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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In reply to docb • 8:36a, 3/21/24
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docb said:
Euro-vacationers versus dark web weird website partaker
Obviously, the European Parliament doesn't meet your vacationing habit standards of data collection supportive of Saint Zelensky. I continue to laugh at the repeated, absurd assertions I have a duty to (a) find links the war supporters like, and (b) to make their arguments for them.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/eurobarometer/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine

"Some weird website."
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In reply to docb • 8:39a, 3/21/24
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docb said:
Euro-vacationers versus dark web weird website partaker


Desperation really showing here
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8:42a, 3/21/24
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The European Parliament is the dark web now, Uke supporters continue to step on rakes
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8:43a, 3/21/24
Russia needs to keep pushing so we can be done with this funding Ukraine bs
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:46a, 3/21/24
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nortex97 said:
docb said:
Euro-vacationers versus dark web weird website partaker
Obviously, the European Parliament doesn't meet your vacationing habit standards of data collection supportive of Saint Zelensky. I continue to laugh at the repeated, absurd assertions I have a duty to (a) find links the war supporters like, and (b) to make their arguments for them.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/eurobarometer/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine

"Some weird website."

From your link...

Quote:

EU support for Ukraine two years into the war: Across Europe, there continues to be broad support for the EU's response to the Russian invasion: humanitarian aid (supported by 89% of EU citizens), welcoming refugees (84%), sanctions on Russia (72%), and financial support for Ukraine (72%).


Quote:
EU defence policy/NATO/neutrality: A clear and overwhelming majority of EU citizens express support for the establishment of a common EU defence policy, with 87% favouring this proposition


And also, and this is why you should always read a Nortex link, while only 10% said they expect Ukrainian victory, only 20% said they expect a Russian victory with the rest stating a settlement.
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In reply to docb • 8:51a, 3/21/24
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docb said:
Euro-vacationers versus dark web weird website partaker

To be fair, he also quoted and heavily relied on TASS, the official voice of the Russian government.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:24p, 3/21/24
CNN is quoted unironically all the time, discussing the Biden administration.
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In reply to FJB24 • 1:42p, 3/21/24
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Sotero-Judges said:
CNN is quoted unironically all the time, discussing the Biden administration.


And?

CNN is a private news organization that, thought not often, criticizes Biden and his administration.

TASS is an actual Russian agency operated by and for the government of Russia.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:14p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
Sotero-Judges said:
CNN is quoted unironically all the time, discussing the Biden administration.


And?

CNN is a private news organization that, thought not often, criticizes Biden and his administration.

TASS is an actual Russian agency operated by and for the government of Russia.


Ignore the crocodile tears folks. Teslag will cite TASS as soon as their narrative and his overlap. Both are propagandists. Only difference is who they pedal for.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:16p, 3/21/24
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TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:18p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.


And Uke shot down 99 planes in 1 day two weeks ago. Stop pretending its different.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:20p, 3/21/24
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Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:22p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.


And Uke shot down 99 planes in 1 day two weeks ago. Stop pretending its different.


Remember when you thought Russia had a top five economy? That was pretty funny.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:27p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.


Goal posts moved quick.
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In reply to GAC06 • 2:28p, 3/21/24
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GAC06 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.


And Uke shot down 99 planes in 1 day two weeks ago. Stop pretending its different.


Remember when you thought Russia had a top five economy? That was pretty funny.


You're allowed to use humor to cope.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:30p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.


Goal posts moved quick.

Negative. I was pointing out that TASS is the Russian government from the start. Another poster moved the goalposts to private CNN.

Call him out. Not me.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:31p, 3/21/24
Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.
That was NENA
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In reply to Teslag • 2:32p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.


Goal posts moved quick.

Negative. I was pointing out that TASS is the Russian government from the start. Another poster moved the goalposts to private CNN.

Call him out. Not me.


Except you have also cited TASS in this thread, so no one takes you seriously.
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2:33p, 3/21/24
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Just did a google search for "ukraine shoots down 99 planes".

Nothing came back from any American government agency. Oddly enough, nothing from any American media companies either.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:35p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
Just did a google search for "ukraine shoots down 99 planes".

Nothing came back from any American government agency. Oddly enough, nothing from any American media companies either.


You already moved the goalposts, no need to reiterate.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:35p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.


Goal posts moved quick.

Negative. I was pointing out that TASS is the Russian government from the start. Another poster moved the goalposts to private CNN.

Call him out. Not me.


Except you have also cited TASS in this thread, so no one takes you seriously.

After first citing western media. Which you then questioned. I used TASS because it was literally the only thing you'd believe.

When both sides say the same thing it probably isn't propaganda.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:36p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Just did a google search for "ukraine shoots down 99 planes".

Nothing came back from any American government agency. Oddly enough, nothing from any American media companies either.


You already moved the goalposts, no need to reiterate.

I see we are doing the derail the thread bit with talking in circles and deflecting. I won't respond to it. You're just trying to lock the thread again.

You made up the 99 planes bit. As usual.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:37p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Which US government agency claimed Ukraine shot down 99 planes.


I'll wait.


Goal posts moved quick.

Negative. I was pointing out that TASS is the Russian government from the start. Another poster moved the goalposts to private CNN.

Call him out. Not me.


Except you have also cited TASS in this thread, so no one takes you seriously.

After first citing western media. Which you then questioned. I used TASS because it was literally the only thing you'd believe.

When both sides say the same thing it probably isn't propaganda.


You used TASS because you believe Russian propaganda when it makes you feel good about Uke. Which is OK, until you try to wail about Russian propaganda in the very same thread.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:38p, 3/21/24
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Naming your flagship isn't propaganda. And I used TASS because you only believe them after I cited western sources.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:38p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
Just did a google search for "ukraine shoots down 99 planes".

Nothing came back from any American government agency. Oddly enough, nothing from any American media companies either.


You already moved the goalposts, no need to reiterate.

I see we are doing the derail the thread bit with talking in circles and deflecting. I won't respond to it. You're just trying to lock the thread again.

You made up the 99 planes bit. As usual.


Great thanks. I appreciate you realizing you're wrong and backing down. Keep doing that please.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 2:39p, 3/21/24
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Whatever makes you feel better.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:49p, 3/21/24
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Teslag said:
I wanna see Russians taking significant ground


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In reply to Teslag • 2:56p, 3/21/24
Teslag said:
docb said:
That's interesting. I visited Munich in 2023 and they had large Ukranian flags on one of the government buildings alongside the German flags. And every German I spoke with was in full support of helping Ukraine.


Can echo this. Was in Octoberfedt last September and the pro Ukraine / anti Russia sentiment was overwhelming. Same when I was in France in January. Europe's reaction, and increased support, for NATO and resolve against this aggression has been nothing short of impressive.


I was just in Portugal and the sentiment among the folks I interacted with was not pro/anti Ukraine or Russia. Simply they thought the war could and should have been avoided.

They viewed it as an American created problem. I thought that was interesting.
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3:00p, 3/21/24
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Those sanctions are doing work
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 3:09p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
GAC06 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.


And Uke shot down 99 planes in 1 day two weeks ago. Stop pretending its different.


Remember when you thought Russia had a top five economy? That was pretty funny.


You're allowed to use humor to cope.


Us laughing at you doesn't have much to do with coping. You swallowing and regurgitating blatant lies from Russian propaganda means you aren't the person to judge propaganda. Hell, you believing that Russia's economy surpassed Germany shows you're just not equipped for these discussions, no matter how nuanced you think your ludicrous takes are.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 3:11p, 3/21/24
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
I wanna see Russians taking significant ground



When will this happen?
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In reply to GAC06 • 3:23p, 3/21/24
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GAC06 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
GAC06 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Teslag said:
TASS isn't just media propaganda. It IS the Russian government.


And Uke shot down 99 planes in 1 day two weeks ago. Stop pretending its different.


Remember when you thought Russia had a top five economy? That was pretty funny.


You're allowed to use humor to cope.


Us laughing at you doesn't have much to do with coping. You swallowing and regurgitating blatant lies from Russian propaganda means you aren't the person to judge propaganda. Hell, you believing that Russia's economy surpassed Germany shows you're just not equipped for these discussions, no matter how nuanced you think your ludicrous takes are.
Maybe someone said something wrong (again, I don't speak for others) but Russia's economy is easily in the top 10 of the world in terms of Advanced economies/emerging market countries and rate of GDP growth, definitely it is not contracting as Germany has been witness to.



But, harrumph, I know this is not a popular figure, and it is probably just all building bombs or some such insanity. The IMF I suppose is also a dark web sketchy website not properly vetted by Kiev.
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In reply to nortex97 • 3:26p, 3/21/24
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https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/top-10-largest-economies-in-the-world/86159/1

Russia comes in at 12. Just behind Mexico.


And the poster in question didn't say Top 10. He said Top 5.
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In reply to nortex97 • 3:28p, 3/21/24
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You reposted a propaganda twitter post that claimed Russia surpassed Germany and is a top five economy. You have now defended that by… confirming they are not. Thanks?

At least you got people who don't know any better to believe it and embarrass themselves though.
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In reply to Teslag • 6:58p, 3/21/24
Teslag said:
Just did a google search for "ukraine shoots down 99 planes".

Nothing came back from any American government agency. Oddly enough, nothing from any American media companies either.
I did one for Nazis in Ukraines military, and a lot came back, even back to the early 2000's....yikes
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