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The fact is women are being conscripted and killed by the UFA while employed in various roles in the active combat zone that is eastern Ukraine.

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Not "various roles". To date the only women conscripted by Ukraine have been medical personnel like doctors and the like.


And by your logic, the US is also forcibly deploying thousands upon thousands of women to "combat zones'.


And by that logic so is Russia....

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then you now agree this is a civil war we have no business in, right?

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Essentially all conscripts are in a combat zone. At least half of Ukraine is one, pending the daily strikes. Something like half their forces are within field artillery range often. The claim they have not mobilized most/or a great majority of their uniformed forces into the combat areas is belied by basic observation, and their own reporting of their dire manpower situation.

When Ukrainian propaganda admits as much, we should recognize the truth in the admission. End of discussion.

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I'm well aware of what a combat zone is. I was in one in both Syria and Iraq. And in no way shape or form am I a "combat veteran" while there despite taking indirect fire.


Wanna know some other formally recoginzed combat zones? Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that ever deployed or spent time in those locations to consider themselves "combat veterans".

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The dude literally did exactly what he is so sore at Russia for doing, just in service to a different flag. Punchline writes itself

How so? We were literally invited there by the local Kurdish government....



We also aren't there in an effort to claim the Kurds are really Americans and then make Kurdistan the 51st state. All things Russia is trying to do with Ukraine.

Truth probably falls in between.

Women: models are being used to draw young men into militaries around the globe. There are likely women involved in fighting, but likely in support roles and NOT the caliber you see in makeup on social media.

Casualties: probably somewhere between the claims made by respective governments (in both directions). What is probable though, is that the cream of the crop regarding both countries' young men have been decimated. Killed, injured, PTSD, draft dodged to other countries….

Outlook: given the lack of line movement last summer, it's probably a safe bet that WW1 style attrition war will be 2024's flavor as well. A technology leap or resource exhaustion could move the lines, but I don't see "victory" for the Ukrainian people: only a question of the human price they'll endure before the US moves on and their government signs over some territories.

General George S. Patton:

"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of *****, barbarian, and chronic drunk."

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Ukrainian people: only a question of the human price they'll endure before the US moves on and their government signs over some territories.

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Which by any measure would be a massive victory compared to everyone's outlook on February of 2022.

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It appears the US invaded first.

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It's not an invasion if you're invited to be there.

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Making **** up isn't proof.

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Newsflash Tesla the United States isn't a sovereign nation currently and hasn't been in some time. The concept that Lincoln described at Gettysburg no longer exists. Any that actually believes that our government is of the people, by the people, for the people" is delusional.

People toss around the term sovereignty around like they actually know what the word actually means. The so called protectors of democracy are the very ones setting it on fire. We are no longer citizens we are subjects, divide and concur is the oldest tactic in the manual, and yet it still works to this day. People got lazy and too busy in the "pursuit of happiness" and forgot there is a price to pay for freedom, despite it's name freedom isn't free.

Spend half the time working on restoring our own sovereignty, that we spend worrying about sh**holes that have no chance of ever becoming a sovereign nation, then the US could return to being great. Despite what all you liberals think, America First is not a bad thing. It's not racist, xenophobic, non inclusive, whatever. America FIrst is a necessity of survival.

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I have found your takes to be pretty spot on regarding several issues and concepts and appreciate your information and explanations.

Agree the concept of sovereignty has become misused and *******ized in regards to the Ukraine conflict(s).

If Ukraine supports wanted to have a rational discussion on their "right" to exist, they should focus on concept of human rights and the rights to live peacefully and pursue happiness regardless of whether they are part of Russia, an independent sovereign, part of a coalition of states, part of NATO, etc.

That concept allows for a pursuit of multiple outcomes including Ukraine or parts of Ukraine falling under Russian purview. Understanding that the retort to this concept will be "but Putin is a genocidal maniac who will ethnically cleanse Ukrainians and enslave them all"... well, then we deal with the human rights violations as we have done in multiple locales around the world.

And that concept would provide the most apt comparisons to the problems on our own border.

It also provides a workable concept in regards to Israel and Palestinians. Live peacefully, respect basic human rights including the rights to exist and we can talk solutions. Palestinians, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iranian backed militants like Houthis and so on do NOT respect others' rights to exist and have shown no desire to respect basic human rights.

As such, one cannot find a peaceful solution when one side does not seek peace. Back to Putin, I do think Putin desires peace at the end of the day, but on his terms and based on his idea of what he wants Russia to be. To ignore that is unwise though there are many posts on this thread that simply state "sovereign Ukraine" and "Putin is a maniacal sociopathic tyrant". Quotes intended to express a conceptual position and not a direct quote of any particular post or poster.

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As such, one cannot find a peaceful solution when one side does not seek peace. Back to Putin, I do think Putin desires peace at the end of the day, but on his terms and based on his idea of what he wants Russia to be. To ignore that is unwise though there are many posts on this thread that simply state "sovereign Ukraine" and "Putin is a maniacal sociopathic tyrant". Quotes intended to express a conceptual position and not a direct quote of any particular post or poster.

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The problem is that Putin wants Ukraine to be a part of Russia. Human rights be damned...

100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

You may not like nor agree with his positions and approach, but to liken him to some sort of Mongolian invader, Spanish conquistador or European colonizer seems a bit off.

He has to what he believes to be a valid interest in Ukraine. I do not agree with his position though I understand it.

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100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

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I've learned that only actions matter and words mean nothing.

Putin invaded a sovereign nation completely unprovoked in an effort to purely absorb another nation in a land grab. And in doing so has purposely and deliberately targeting civilians and public infrastructure in major cities hundreds of miles form the front lines.


There would be no need for Putin to benevolently "end the conflict" had he not started it. Every single death in his war fall at the feet of Putin and Russia.

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

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I've learned that only actions matter and words mean nothing.

Putin invaded a sovereign nation completely unprovoked an effort to purely absorb another nation in a land grab. And in doing so has purposely and deliberately targeting civilians and public infrastructure in major cities hundreds of miles form the front lines.


There would be no need for Putin to benevolently "end the conflict" had he not started it. Every single death in his war fall at the feet of Putin and Russia.

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

That is a lie. We were invited there by the Kurdistan government.

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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That is a lie. We were invited there by the Kurdistan government.

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Invaded Iraq and Syria to further American interests.

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then you now agree this is a civil war we have no business in, right?

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And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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False.

We were asked to return by the Kurdish and Iraqi government to defeat ISIS and prevent their occupation of Iraq as part of Operation Inherent Resolve, the campaign under which I was deployed.

Orlivka has fallen. Yall think he'll say the line?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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then you now agree this is a civil war we have no business in, right?

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And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Great thanks, but I was accused of making stuff up- and asked where/what. Can you tell me?

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Orlivka has fallen. Yall think he'll say the line?

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Russia "captured" an undefended village of 2,600 Romanians?

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then you now agree this is a civil war we have no business in, right?

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No, this is an unprovokedinvasion of a sovereignnation and has been from the start.


And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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Making **** up isn't proof.

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Great thanks, but I was accused of making stuff up- and asked where/what. Can you tell me?

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So basically your mission is to just derail and troll the thread today?

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Small point of clarification here. If they had the right to recognize it then they had the right to revoke it.

There is nothing that says country A must never revoke recognition of country B no matter what.

You sort of just proved one of the fallacies of Ukraine being this sort of divine sovereign. It is not.

Have fun with the back and forth. This conflict seems to have reached a true stalemate and war of attrition, the later of which Ukraine is destined to lose.

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And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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Making **** up isn't proof.

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Great thanks, but I was accused of making stuff up- and asked where/what. Can you tell me?

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So basically your mission is to just derail and troll the thread today?

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You replied to my question to another poster to get on your soapbox about what Russia did 20 years ago and you accuse me of troll derailing? Come on man.

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then you now agree this is a civil war we have no business in, right?

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And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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Making **** up isn't proof.

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Great thanks, but I was accused of making stuff up- and asked where/what. Can you tell me?

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So basically your mission is to just derail and troll the thread today?

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You replied to my question to another poster to get on your soapbox about what Russia did 20 years ago and you accuse me of troll derailing? Come on man.

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Was there a specific timeline to Russia's recognition? I didn't find that in the 1991 article.

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Small point of clarification here. If they had the right to recognize it then they had the right to revoke it.

There is nothing that says country A must never revoke recognition of country B no matter what.

You sort of just proved one of the fallacies of Ukraine being this sort of divine sovereign. It is not.

Have fun with the back and forth. This conflict seems to have reached a true stalemate and war of attrition, the later of which Ukraine is destined to lose.

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Ah, "conditional recognition". Jesus Christ.

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100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

You may not like nor agree with his positions and approach, but to liken him to some sort of Mongolian invader, Spanish conquistador or European colonizer seems a bit off.

He has to what he believes to be a valid interest in Ukraine. I do not agree with his position though I understand it.

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His attempts to avoid conflict?

Like invading Ukraine in the first place? That would have avoided a lot of conflict.

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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Making **** up isn't proof.

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Your proof.

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And are we still running with the "women are being conscripted for combat" bit?

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Both have been disproven. HTH

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What exactly do you think is made up?

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Well we quite literally showed you proof that Russia recognized Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation for starters.

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Was that pre or post coup?

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Ah, so your "proof" is a conspiracy theory. And even if it were true, Ukraine at no point ceded independence to Russia, nor did Russia formally stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

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So what was made up? Still waiting on an answer.

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The proof is that Russia formally recognized Ukrainian indpendence and never revoked that recognition until they invaded on February of 2022.

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Great thanks, but I was accused of making stuff up- and asked where/what. Can you tell me?

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So basically your mission is to just derail and troll the thread today?

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You replied to my question to another poster to get on your soapbox about what Russia did 20 years ago and you accuse me of troll derailing? Come on man.

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Was there a specific timeline to Russia's recognition? I didn't find that in the 1991 article.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/67050977

What was made up?

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100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

You may not like nor agree with his positions and approach, but to liken him to some sort of Mongolian invader, Spanish conquistador or European colonizer seems a bit off.

He has to what he believes to be a valid interest in Ukraine. I do not agree with his position though I understand it.

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His attempts to avoid conflict?

Like invading Ukraine in the first place? That would have avoided a lot of conflict.

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They didn't invade. They were just exercising their right to repossession.

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100% disagree the Putin's position is "human rights be damned" as shown both in his interview with Tucker Carlson and his attempts to avoid conflict and his offerings to negotiate an end to the conflict.

You may not like nor agree with his positions and approach, but to liken him to some sort of Mongolian invader, Spanish conquistador or European colonizer seems a bit off.

He has to what he believes to be a valid interest in Ukraine. I do not agree with his position though I understand it.

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what's the difference between Putin's invasion of Ukraine

and Adolf Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938?