Teslag said:

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I think it's quite clear abandoned is in reference to the populace.

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Ukraine has been substantially abandoned, by the military age male population, I would agree. I think the territory they control is down by around 50% in that demographic, and net population to around 22 million.

It's very sad to debate about mercenary deaths in an 'abandoned' city/nation in a proxy war, amid the misery inflicted by Joe Biden and Putin on the Ukrainian people, among many others.

The number of homeless people has increased sharply in Germany because of Ukrainians
▪️This is stated in the authorities’ response to a request from a member of the Landtag of Baden-Württemberg.
▪️The number of homeless people in this region has increased 2.5 times - to 77,000.… pic.twitter.com/mJv7kg28hm

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) February 3, 2024

The tactical and strategic impact of the defeats/losses in/about Avdiivka are significant, though. For a Biden-Nuland Fiefdom, it's unsurprising how the remnant Ukraine ranks in corruption. But hey, he got that prosecutor fired!

In any case, I remain unconvinced that the people who have facilitated deliberately and with extensive planning our own invasion are strategically capable, nor willing to fight the Russian one of Ukraine they by proxy also facilitated;

Kamala Harris says “the solutions are at hand” to the border crisis.

Joe Biden created this crisis with 94 executive actions in his first 100 days. He could solve this crisis with the stroke of a pen, but he refuses to. pic.twitter.com/ul694nkVCV

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) February 3, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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I think it's quite clear abandoned is in reference to the populace.

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Why would the populace abandon the town? Haven't you told them how inept the Russians are? You should let them know.

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Probably because Russia likes to murder civilians with artillery and missiles and then rape the ones they missed.


Though I'm sure you'll say the residents of Bucha were raped by errant Ukrainian ADA

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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I think it's quite clear abandoned is in reference to the populace.

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Why would the populace abandon the town? Haven't you told them how inept the Russians are? You should let them know.

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Probably because Russia likes to murder civilians with artillery and missiles and then rape the ones they missed.


Though I'm sure you'll say the residents of Bucha were raped by errant Ukrainian ADA

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"Civilian targets" like weapons factories in houses?

War manufacturing in civilian homes…

(We won’t talk about it I guess) pic.twitter.com/DCmw5ZAVpW

— ayden (@squatsons) February 2, 2024

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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I think it's quite clear abandoned is in reference to the populace.

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Why would the populace abandon the town? Haven't you told them how inept the Russians are? You should let them know.

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Probably because Russia likes to murder civilians with artillery and missiles and then rape the ones they missed.


Though I'm sure you'll say the residents of Bucha were raped by errant Ukrainian ADA

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Its worth noting this post is a long way away from "Russia has no ability to mount an offensive."

I think spending 4 months to still not take an abandoned village has proven Russias complete lack of offensive ability

Teslag said:

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I think spending 4 months to still not take an abandoned village has proven Russias complete lack of offensive ability

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So then what is the populous fleeing from? Can't really have it both ways. Did you tell them how safe it is? How inept you believe the Russian army to be?

Are you asking why civilians would want to leave an area where two sides are directly fighting each other?


Is this a real question?

The civilians are fleeing from long range missiles and their effects. The Russians suck at going on the offensive against Ukrainian forces. Case in point is Bakhmut. The Russian military made the battle the main effort, but the Russians opted to use WWI trench warfare tactics.

Teslag said:

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Are you asking why civilians would want to leave an area where two sides are directly fighting each other?


Is this a real question?

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I'm asking why civilians would flee from an army with "no ability to mount an offensive"

I'm asking how a Canadian mercenary gets killed by an army with "no ability to mount an offensive"

Wanna try to answer?

You think the ability to slaughter unarmed civilians is a sign of a successful offensive?




Wow.

Reminder, Europe's 50 billion package is spread over 4 years:

I think we can safely say at this point that the EU really needs to step up in their aid for Ukraine and we can't rely on the US anymore.

The political landscape is just too chaotic, and will be even more if Trump is elected, as he seems to be more inclined to ally with Putin. pic.twitter.com/XaoIVC4I95

— Pekka Kallioniemi (@P_Kallioniemi) February 4, 2024

When Ukrainian terrorists attacked a bakery in Lysichansk. As a result of the tragedy, 28 people died, including a child. Today a day of mourning has been declared in the LPR.
Source (ru): https://t.co/0yAIGXnVzI
Video (en sub)

follow me @by_their_deeds for more news. pic.twitter.com/jpj5Tfo5DU

— by their deeds… (@by_their_deeds) February 4, 2024

The situation in Ukraine is “bursting at the seams” due to problems with the mobilization and receipt of aid, writes the French newspaper Le Figaro.

◾"Soldiers are concerned about the lack of support from allies and the unrealistic goals of the General Staff," the article says.… pic.twitter.com/ewXHPLdTNM

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) February 3, 2024

Muh, Russia russia russia hero LTC Vindman is of course running for office on his heroism in fighting off Russia and Donald Trump:

"While on active duty, I leveled bad faith accusations against my commander to benefit a foreign power and launch a self-serving political career in the Democratic Party, you should totally vote for me!" https://t.co/ru3dwVCUT4

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) February 4, 2024

This is a large part of why something like ten Ukrainians have died for every Russian killed in this war. https://t.co/nj1eU2R527

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) February 4, 2024

The pro-🇺🇦 information space is filled with mouth foaming levels of seething about Tucker's visit to Moscow and the prospect of being exposed for all their lies that have caused hundreds of thousands lives to perish. Here are your warmongers, shitlibs and war porn enthusiasts 🧵: https://t.co/bN62SLu3ki pic.twitter.com/TNg7T6MP5v

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) February 4, 2024

We were among the first/only US outlets to publish original analysis about this at the time:https://t.co/sfG5q4nHHl

— Daniel McAdams (@DanielLMcAdams) February 3, 2024

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A reworked draft mobilization bill presented to Ukrainian MPs on Tuesday is more "repressive" and "unconstitutional" than the original, Yulia Timoshenko, the leader of 'Fatherland' party in parliament, has claimed. The politician, who served as Ukraine's prime minister between 2007 and 2010, also warned that if passed, the legislation could spark social strife.

In December, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said that the military leadership had proposed mobilizing up to 500,000 more troops. Later that month, the government submitted a bill tightening conscription rules. On January 11, the cabinet recalled the legislation for amendment, and reintroduced it for consideration at the end of the month.

In a video posted on her Facebook account on Saturday, Timoshenko said the latest iteration of the "tough and cynical" legislation could "bring about a tragic rift between the government and the people," and "could even lead to public confrontation." She called for the mobilization of police and security personnel, adding that she was determined to drum up support among other parliamentary factions' leaders to stop the bill in its current form.

On Thursday, the former prime minister characterized the revised legislation as a "catastrophe," and accused the government of "shamelessly cheating parliament" by resubmitting "draconian norms" that had already been rejected by lawmakers.

"The adoption of such a law will be a crime against the Ukrainian state and show contempt for its citizens,"Timoshenko wrote in a Facebook post. She vowed to "unite society in the struggle against this outrageous draft bill."

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Positions;

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MOSCOW, February 4. /TASS/. Units from Russia's Battlegroup Center have improved their positions on the frontline in the Krasny Liman area and repelled three attacks by assault units of Ukraine's armed forces and the Azov battalion (outlawed in Russia), the Russian Defense Ministry said.

The total losses of the Ukrainian armed forces have amounted up to 120 troops and two armored vehicles in the Krasny Liman area over 24 hours.

Kherson area

"Ukrainian losses have amounted up to 30 troops, three motor vehicles, an M777 artillery system and a D-20 gun," the military agency said in a statement.
Zaporozhye area

"The adversary lost up to 45 troops, two motor vehicles, a D-20 gun and a Grad MLRS combat vehicle," the ministry said.

Dnepropetrovsk Region

The Russian Armed Forces have eliminated the Ukrainian army's fuel depot in the Dnepropetrovsk Region over the past 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
"Additionally, damage was delivered to personnel and hardware of the Ukrainian army in 124 districts," the military agency said in a statement.

Donetsk area
Units of Russia's Battlegroup South have deflected two attacks by Ukrainian troops in the Donetsk area over the past 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

According to the military agency, Russian forces deflected two attacks of the Ukrainian formations near the villages of Krasnoye and Leninskoye in the Donetsk People's Republic.

The Ukrainian armed forces have lost up to 380 personnel in the Donetsk area in the past 24 hours. During counterbattery work, a Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer as well as two D-20 and D-30 howitzers were eliminated.

The adversary lost up to 115 personnel, two armored fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles, two Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems and a D-20 gun south of Donetsk over the past 24 hours, the statement said.

Kupyansk area

The adversary lost up to 30 troops, two armored fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles, a Polish-made Krab self-propelled howitzer and a US-made M777 artillery system, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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Just some abandoned inches, I am sure.

Did you really just quote a news feed from TASS? They aren't even another "perspective". It's quite literally just official government spokespeople.

Kinda blows your cover about never believing that nonsense and just "sharing information".

For those that aren't aware, TASS literally stands for Telegraph Agency for the Soviet Union and an official unitary enterprise owned by the Russian Government. After it fell they became the Information Telegraph Agency of Russia before just saying F it and going back to TASS.

Teslag said:

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Did you really just quote a news feed from TASS? They aren't even another "perspective". It's quite literally just official government spokespeople.

Kinda blows your cover about never believing that nonsense and just "sharing information".

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You did the exact same thing on the last page. Pot meet kettle.

Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

Teslag said:

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You think the ability to slaughter unarmed civilians is a sign of a successful offensive?

Wow.

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"Unarmed"

The next time you see Ukrainian and Western war propaganda media cry foul about another school being destroyed in Ukraine, remember why. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/LtJFHgvIfy

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) February 3, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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You think the ability to slaughter unarmed civilians is a sign of a successful offensive?

Wow.

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"Unarmed"

The next time you see Ukrainian and Western war propaganda media cry foul about another school being destroyed in Ukraine, remember why. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/LtJFHgvIfy

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) February 3, 2024

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But I thought these schools were hit by Ukrainian ADA projectiles?

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

Thankfully this Uke survived as he ran from conscription officers.

‼️👀🇺🇦 Hiding from recruitment officers in Ukraine...

Dude fell 15 stories and survived, the Ukrainians are really strong.pic.twitter.com/Vq6AegtQrQ

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) February 3, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Keep reaching….

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Keep reaching….

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No reach here. You cite official Russian state media when you like it, and I don't. Just the facts.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Thankfully this Uke survived as he ran from conscription officers.

‼️👀🇺🇦 Hiding from recruitment officers in Ukraine...

Dude fell 15 stories and survived, the Ukrainians are really strong.pic.twitter.com/Vq6AegtQrQ

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) February 3, 2024

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From the comments…


This was actually a woman. In Russia.



You will quite literally believe anything.

Their conscription stuff is both amusing and sad. Alex' latest chat video is pretty funny, about 60 percent thru he laughs at Ukraine hinting it will demand a trillion dollars as compensation from Moscow after the war. Dr. Evil style BS…

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Thankfully this Uke survived as he ran from conscription officers.

‼️👀🇺🇦 Hiding from recruitment officers in Ukraine...

Dude fell 15 stories and survived, the Ukrainians are really strong.pic.twitter.com/Vq6AegtQrQ

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) February 3, 2024

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From the comments…


This was actually a woman. In Russia.



You will quite literally believe anything.

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Ask me how I know you didn't even watch the video.

nortex97 said:

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Their conscription stuff is both amusing and sad. Alex' latest chat video is pretty funny, about 60 percent thru he laughs at Ukraine hinting it will demand a trillion dollars as compensation from Moscow after the war. Dr. Evil style BS…

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Especially since it's fake

Teslag said:

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For those that aren't aware, TASS literally stands for Telegraph Agency for the Soviet Union and an official unitary enterprise owned by the Russian Government. After it fell they became the Information Telegraph Agency of Russia before just saying F it and going back to TASS.

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For those who aren't aware, Teslag has cited this same Russian state media source before, as recently as the last page of this thread. Ignore the crocodile tears. He trusts them when he likes it, and doesn't when he doesn't.

Let me put it in terms you may understand.


If the American government states that the Mount Whitney is the flagship of the fleet it's not propaganda.

If the American government claims battlefield accomplishments and success it's probably mixed with a lot of propaganda.


See the difference or are we on SNL Jeopardy again?

Distinction without a difference. Keep coping though.

Really makes you think

With the news that Abrams has likely been sent to Avdeevka the question beckons

Is Avdeevka strategically significant? pic.twitter.com/QTUKyM0AbU

— ayden (@squatsons) February 4, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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No, according to Russia and the Black Sea Fleet.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-ships-head-south-as-flagship-moskva-battles-extensive-fire-2022-4

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

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Business insider is Russia?

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Does Pravda count?

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The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva cruiser, retains buoyancy, the Ministry of Defense said.


See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/151161-moskva_cruiser/

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Or TASS?

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Moskva was the flagship of the Black Sea fleet

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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Where did I deny the Moscova was the flagship? Link it please.

Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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I don't speak for anyone else but I am skeptical of pretty much any source initially. The issue is one of battlefield updates, in this case, and frankly only the two sides can actually provide first hand information; there aren't a bunch of observers otherwise sending updates. The Ukrainians have actually lied about those much more I think, though when the Prigy Wagner soap opera was going on I would say the Russian side had a lot of dishonesty in releases too.

The only other option for updates is to go to propagandists like Oryx or British intelligence (ISW) etc. Russians have actually been pretty up front about casualties, net. What the Russians are spending, losing, building, employing etc. can best be determined via sources…from Russia, including their official channels. No one has to agree with me of course and I don't care if many don't, but the alternative is just to guess wildly about what is going on as the Ukrainian side (and our own propaganda press) is pure propaganda/lies most of the time.